This is getting ridiculous
And in January 2015 you are saying that you had encrypted messaging a fully functional GUI and escrow working inside of a marketplace?
Yes!
Either way if you are saying in Jan 2015 you had a sufficiently capable marketplace to dismiss the functionality of Syscoin to a point where one would say that Bay's functionality would trump Syscoin's to a point of nonexistance then prove it,
It is not my task to evaluete Syscoins existence. I can get you a copy of our first wallet so you can see for your self, or you can just read this article that was published a two months later:
http://motherboard.vice.com/read/this-decentralized-bitcoin-market-is-for-legal-stuff-onlyHere is Davids post with download link from january 12 2015
Next you say:
I don't consider Bay there yet because you are still in Beta
That's bs and you know it. We had that discussion in may 2016
Bloat not an issue in sys.. DDE won't work for network effect it's an easier implementation than arbiters I had dde and took it out for a reason.
Also next release includes moderation.
Multisig exists in sys because it is based on btc core.. it has many of the other features of btc that Bay might not have.. also sys has reselling and wholesaling with whitelisting support which Bay does not.. also Bay is not released so you can't even do a comparison until it is.. Sébastien already explained this. This seems more like a road map to current sys comparison to me.. I can put cool things on sys road map just to say it aswell.. the plugin system we are designing is also a killer feature in sys.
AS I said before these two projects seem to be targeting different audiences and niches of ecommercr. You can't compare directly even though Bay is not out with these features anyways. I believe in David and we will see some cool stuff out of him but the two projects really are complementary to the crypto ecommercr market and not in direct competition to each other unless you can convince me otherwise.
Also how does Bay allow payment of any currency? We allow btc addressed to coexist with sys and you can pay with btc.. if your using cltv then sys can also do this.
How can you claim that Bay is not released? And please don't give me that crap about open source. By that definition a lot of software that we all use daily isn't released.
Actually we released a working beta a long time before sys. And we stayed in beta for more than a year to make sure all bugs are fixed.
Windows client is now in release version. Mac and Linux stay in beta until we are certain that there are no OS specific bugs. We really don't want to have mishaps like locking up someone's coins, do we?
So I guess the question isn't really how you can claim Bay is not released, but why you claim it. Do you fear the competition that much?
You should not. I agree the projects are partly complementary, although there are some areas where we are in competition. I don't see a problem with that though. There is plenty of room for both projects. In fact I believe success for one project will help the other project because the real challenge is to get Joe and Jane used to the idea of using platforms like Bay and sys.
Of course Bay is out with the features we claim to have. Anyone can check that by downloading our client
Bay can allow payment with any currency because we use DDE. As stated you need Bay for the deposit. But payment can be in any currency or even clams if you prefer because the DDE takes care of the safety in the deal. So if you want you can open up a new market channel for say Dodge, and offer anything for sale with payment in Doge.
When you post your offer you make your deposit, when buyer takes the offer he makes his deposit. Buyer sends Doge, seller sends item, and when both are happy they release deposit.
Edit: I know multisig as technology exists in sys. I assume you must be using it in your escrow. But in the above I was talking about multisig in the meaning of being able to use two keys on my wallet. To my knowledge that is not implementet in sys yet. Please correct me if I'm wrong
To sum it up:
BitBay was in beta for more than a year before we launched release version. That is imo the reason why we have not have any serious bugs in release version. This in contrast to sys where I had my coins frozen in your "release" version. Last time that happened to me was only 3 months or so ago! I'd be very careful making claims you are ahead of us in regard to quality if I were you.
As I have said before; sys is a great project, and you are good at marketing. But you are pushing to much now. That's not good marketing for sys or for crypto in general. Focus on the things that are great about sys.
I'm out of this discussion
You can claim anything you like.. im sure you feel like you were first and but sys had a marketplace aswell.. it was there and functional for average crypto users.. anyways aslong as i knew the truth thats all that matters. Your infographic.showed many things that bay had but missed many things sys did that bay didnt either... i think bay maybe had more to offer at first in terms of things you can buy or sell and how they can buy or sell but that was quickly fixed in 2.0 and now with 2.1 its a different beast altogether.
Coins were not frozen you used coin control to spend them... again i dont think you understand software development to tell me.what quantifies as quality in terms of what a released product looks like... syscoin 2.1 is the released product after many testnets and bug fixes.. i think you lack understanding of software development.based on your comments. I will do better in explaining concepts to you but I need you to try to understsnd before jumping the gun... the initial quote was for syscoin 2.1... your response led me to research what the first marketplace was hence this discussion which is sure over.
The misunderstanding arose from the origiinal quote which again was centered around 2.1 which is the quality release where bay is still beta. Hopefullt that clears things up for you.. i know your one that is hard to convince they are wrong but that could be a good trait. Wasnt so much a play of words more than a misunderstanding in which you took it as the first marketplace that existed and i know that because youve used that before. Anyways.goodluck once again.. it will be good for whoever keeps going.. hard work always pays off.
