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October 09, 2012, 06:37:15 PM
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Just for shits and grins I was checking out the http://blog.glbse.com/ and watching the video.... I'm about 4 minutes in right now, and Nef is talking about how he doesn't need AML
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October 09, 2012, 06:38:06 PM
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Someone followed the btc-trail through addresses? So we maybe can see where the money is lying and if it is moved.

What about that talk of a "paper wallet" yesterday?

What do you know about that, bitcoin.me?  Seemingly you know more than most of us.  Please share.

A paper wallet has been generated and all outstanding funds should be going there soon.

The secretary (not Nefario), to whom Theymos was instructed (by a narrow majority of shareholders [keep in mind that Nefario owns 24% of shares]) to send the funds under his control, asked other shareholders for advice on how to secure the funds, not wanting to risk them being stolen on top of everything else. I suggested that he create a paper wallet offline, for safe keeping until the funds could be distributed to users. Theymos sent the funds to the address under the secretary's control earlier today.
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October 09, 2012, 06:46:41 PM
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The secretary (not Nefario), to whom Theymos was instructed (by a narrow majority of shareholders [keep in mind that Nefario owns 24% of shares]) to send the funds under his control, asked other shareholders for advice on how to secure the funds, not wanting to risk them being stolen on top of everything else. I suggested that he create a paper wallet offline, for safe keeping until the funds could be distributed to users. Theymos sent the funds to the address under the secretary's control earlier today.

Must not have been these funds.

May we have the public address of said paper wallet please, so that we may keep an eye on them?

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October 09, 2012, 06:47:32 PM
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Someone followed the btc-trail through addresses? So we maybe can see where the money is lying and if it is moved.

What about that talk of a "paper wallet" yesterday?

What do you know about that, bitcoin.me?  Seemingly you know more than most of us.  Please share.

A paper wallet has been generated and all outstanding funds should be going there soon.

The secretary (not Nefario), to whom Theymos was instructed (by a narrow majority of shareholders [keep in mind that Nefario owns 24% of shares]) to send the funds under his control, asked other shareholders for advice on how to secure the funds, not wanting to risk them being stolen on top of everything else. I suggested that he create a paper wallet offline, for safe keeping until the funds could be distributed to users. Theymos sent the funds to the address under the secretary's control earlier today.

Which is bullshit, why send ~800btc more to be controlled by Nefario when he already has ~8000btc of illegally obtained funds?

What will giving Nefario ~800btc more do that he couldn't have done with the ~8000btc?
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October 09, 2012, 06:53:46 PM
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Must not have been these funds.

May we have the public address of said paper wallet please, so that we may keep an eye on them?

I don't see any reason why this cannot be released. 18bEUAuzWg97swzHXzK4prGGYSBAMCUgz

The funds tied to that address are now in control of BG's secretary.

Which is bullshit, why send ~800btc more to be controlled by Nefario when he already has ~8000btc of illegally obtained funds?

What will giving Nefario ~800btc more do that he couldn't have done with the ~8000btc?

As I said, the funds were sent to the secretary, not Nefario. He only accepted them reluctantly (rather than have Theymos keep them) so that Nefario would have no reason to not begin dispersing customer funds.
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October 09, 2012, 06:55:40 PM
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Although not interested so much in the scammer tag discussion I am not quite sure how would such an exchange *know* it's being illegal without there being any actual legal precedent (AFAIA bitcoins are still legally undefined)?


This is a very good point. It's all speculation, guessing, and fantasizing. SEC or any similar authority has never deemed any btc operation illegal, for whatever reason. Not saying it won't happen, just saying people need to cool off a bit and operate based on facts. Supporting the CLAG, BF, or other group of you choice in creating a favorable legal environment is also a good idea.  If you feel that btc should never pursue legality, then continue your operations SR-style, as a black op, and don't discuss it here in public forums.

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October 09, 2012, 06:56:31 PM
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Must not have been these funds.

May we have the public address of said paper wallet please, so that we may keep an eye on them?

I don't see any reason why this cannot be released. 18bEUAuzWg97swzHXzK4prGGYSBAMCUgz

The funds tied to that address are now in control of BG's secretary.

Which is bullshit, why send ~800btc more to be controlled by Nefario when he already has ~8000btc of illegally obtained funds?

What will giving Nefario ~800btc more do that he couldn't have done with the ~8000btc?

As I said, the funds were sent to the secretary, not Nefario. He only accepted them reluctantly (rather than have Theymos keep them) so that Nefario would have no reason to not begin dispersing customer funds.

Who exactly is BG's secretary?  Do they have a name on the forum, do they have a real name and public identity?  At this point I believe this should all be transparent given the circumstances.
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October 09, 2012, 06:57:38 PM
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I can't wait for those funds to be dispersed today..

and i guess "today" is tomorrow, too.

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October 09, 2012, 06:59:22 PM
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Who exactly is BG's secretary?  Do they have a name on the forum, do they have a real name and public identity?  At this point I believe this should all be transparent given the circumstances.

I'm not comfortable revealing information about BitcoinGlobal shareholders which have not self identified, sorry.
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October 09, 2012, 07:00:54 PM
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This is some seriously scammy shit...

Theymos tried to claim he was holding onto 600-800btc.... then transfers 950btc to a paperwallet and 150btc to somewhere else?

Why lie about the amount and try to downplay it?  What is the other 150btc and whos wallet is that?
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October 09, 2012, 07:01:51 PM
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Who exactly is BG's secretary?  Do they have a name on the forum, do they have a real name and public identity?  At this point I believe this should all be transparent given the circumstances.

I'm not comfortable revealing information about BitcoinGlobal shareholders which have not self identified, sorry.

See, the problem with this is you guys are knowingly transferring stolen funds to people who you are not willing to disclose, you should all get scammer tags, this forum is full of crooks and it appears to be run by a crook also.
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October 09, 2012, 07:02:00 PM
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Just for shits and grins I was checking out the http://blog.glbse.com/ and watching the video.... I'm about 4 minutes in right now, and Nef is talking about how he doesn't need AML

and wait when you find his old comments describing glbse as trading imaginary money for virtual shares.

btw at the end of the talk he has a standup intro about backups and recovery plans for events like this one
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October 09, 2012, 07:06:22 PM
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this forum is full of crooks and it appears to be run by a crook also.

I propose this as the forum's official description
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October 09, 2012, 07:13:19 PM
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Looks like i misunderstood again. I thought all the users money will go into the paper wallet so it can be returned. That would mean theymos 800btc and nefarious 8000btc. But the number doesnt match in either way: https://blockchain.info/address/18bEUAuzWg97swzHXzK4prGGYSBAMCUgz

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October 09, 2012, 07:14:26 PM
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this forum is full of crooks and it appears to be run by a crook also.

I propose this as the forum's official description

Indeed, I think most would agree.  I don't think satoshi had this in mind when he started this place..

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October 09, 2012, 07:15:57 PM
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Although not interested so much in the scammer tag discussion I am not quite sure how would such an exchange *know* it's being illegal without there being any actual legal precedent (AFAIA bitcoins are still legally undefined)?

This is being discussed in a dozen other threads. The legal issue is actually not  related to bitcoins. The issue is that GLBSE was trading unregistered securities. Whether these were traded for dollars, or bitcoins or anything else (including swaps with other securities) doesnt even matter, as long as you accept they were traded for something of value, which bitcoin undeniably is.
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October 09, 2012, 07:24:49 PM
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See, the problem with this is you guys are knowingly transferring stolen funds to people who you are not willing to disclose, you should all get scammer tags, this forum is full of crooks and it appears to be run by a crook also.

Actually, the funds transferred were BG's operating funds (shareholder investments and operating income). Nefario already has all of the client funds.
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October 09, 2012, 07:28:34 PM
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Who exactly is BG's secretary?  Do they have a name on the forum, do they have a real name and public identity?  At this point I believe this should all be transparent given the circumstances.

I'm not comfortable revealing information about BitcoinGlobal shareholders which have not self identified, sorry.

Just so everyone knows, the wallet that the funds were transferred to belongs to ColdHardMetal
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October 09, 2012, 07:29:40 PM
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Although not interested so much in the scammer tag discussion I am not quite sure how would such an exchange *know* it's being illegal without there being any actual legal precedent (AFAIA bitcoins are still legally undefined)?

This is being discussed in a dozen other threads. The legal issue is actually not  related to bitcoins. The issue is that GLBSE was trading unregistered securities. Whether these were traded for dollars, or bitcoins or anything else (including swaps with other securities) doesnt even matter, as long as you accept they were traded for something of value, which bitcoin undeniably is.


Yes, but these are all opinions and fantasies of armchair lawyers like you and me.

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October 09, 2012, 07:29:50 PM
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this forum is full of crooks and it appears to be run by a crook also.

I propose this as the forum's official description

Indeed, I think most would agree.  I don't think satoshi had this in mind when he started this place..

Oh, wow. I've never had a look at satoshi's posts before.

Looking at his writing style it is very consistent with one specific member here.

So, no worries guys, Satoshi's quite alive and well and doing just fine.
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