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June 08, 2023, 10:52:56 AM
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Mourinho got great opportunities at Manchester United, but this did not lead to anything, so it may not always give the expected result. I think that he will receive some kind of funding, since for two seasons in a row he took Roma to the Euro Cup finals, but this funding would be much larger if Roma won the El final and got a place in the Champions League. By the way, Mourinho decided to stay at Roma, so apparently he still got some kind of budget to strengthen the team.

I haven't seen any update on Mourinho's decision. Are you sure that his decision is final? Because a few days ago I read that he would be okay to stay longer but he said that he would inform the board if he gets an offer from PSG as well. This must be still the same now. Because PSG are about to sack Galtier and Mourinho is a strong candidate for now.

If PSG make an offer for Mourinho then I'm not so sure about if he would like to stay with Roma instead. Because while he can win titles easier with PSG why would he want to continue with Roma and struggle more, right?

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June 08, 2023, 11:02:39 AM
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Serie A season 2022/23 have been over and Napoli as the winner, here latest standings position and teams qualify to Champion League, Europe League and Conference League next season. Still good news for Juventus's fans after their teams got points deduction and can finish on 7th standings position as the last placed for qualifying to UEFA Conference League next season.

Champion League Group Stage teams
  • Napoli
  • Lazio
  • Inter Milan
  • AC Milan

Europe League Group Stage teams
  • Atalanta
  • AS Roma

Conference League
  • Juventus

With results like this it can be said that Juventus are the unluckiest club this season and Milan are the luckiest club at the end of the season.
Not without reason, Juventus have a lot of obstacles this season. Starting from Internal problems at the start of the season, matches that did not go well for them because of the hurricane of injuries that haunted them even until halfway through the season and finally their problems with policies that require points deduction drama for this season they are really very unlucky in this case because there are so many problems they have to accept.
Conversely, with Juventus' misfortune this season Milan have a good advantage because with that their position has been lifted and this season they were initially only possible for the Europa League now of course we know the Champions League is still their place next season.

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June 08, 2023, 11:30:46 AM
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It's a real shame for Cremonese, they just got promoted to Serie A this season and in the same season they were relegated again. Maybe those who don't know Cremonese are looking forward to returning to Serie A after waiting for 26 years and in the end they have to be willing to return to Serie B next season.
The series of bad results they got this season made them unable to survive in the Italian highest competition and all the efforts they have made so far have been in vain. I hope Cremonese can bounce back and hope they can be more established if they want to return to Serie A later.
At the beginning of season Cremonese only able to collect 7 points from 18 matches and it makes Cremonese owner have to sacked their previous coach Massimiliano Alvini and Davide Ballardini was appears as new coach and he was contract until 2024 season but apparently Ballardini also can't do much for this team because under him Cremonese still displayed poor performance
Cremonese has win from Salernitana in the last match with scores 2-0 but unfortunately this result cannot help them because since week 36 Cremonese has been decided to relegated to Serie B and 5 wins and 21 lose during this season that was poor records and it makes Cremonese have to relegated because Cremonese only have 27 points and nothing they can do because they cannot keep up and compete against other teams in Serie A
Cremonese will find it difficult to compete in Serie A and that's what they always face only occasionally when they can play in Serie A they can perform better but usually they will only last a few seasons in Serie A and will return to a division where they have played more namely Serie B.
It's not easy to build a team that is strong and competitive, strong finances are the key, without big money, any team will only be a complementary team.
So when Cremonese changed theirs manager it wouldn't help and make a significant change, but they were pretty good in the Coppa Italia because they reached the semifinals but were knocked out by Fiorentina but they managed to get rid of Napoli and AS Roma and that was their best achievement, the rest of their ranking tells how it really is this team.

I don't expect a good performance from the Cremonese team either. Actually, this team is quite weak. Their weaknesses in both offense and defense were quite visible. They scored just 36 goals in 38 matches and conceded 69 goals. They were in the relegation zone due to such a poor performance. And the team has won only 5 matches this season. I'm happy that Cremonese didn't qualify for Serie A. They should form a stronger team. It is not possible to survive in a competitive platform like Serie A with such a weak team.

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June 08, 2023, 12:06:07 PM
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Serie A season 2022/23 have been over and Napoli as the winner, here latest standings position and teams qualify to Champion League, Europe League and Conference League next season. Still good news for Juventus's fans after their teams got points deduction and can finish on 7th standings position as the last placed for qualifying to UEFA Conference League next season.

Champion League Group Stage teams
  • Napoli
  • Lazio
  • Inter Milan
  • AC Milan

Europe League Group Stage teams
  • Atalanta
  • AS Roma

Conference League
  • Juventus

With results like this it can be said that Juventus are the unluckiest club this season and Milan are the luckiest club at the end of the season.
The issue of Juventus is not related to luck or what, it is strictly the consequences of their actions or punishment for their crime. The only reason I was sympathetic with them is the method of the points deduction. Assuming the points were removed when the news first comes, they would have done better. It seems they relaxed before the punishment came towards season end.
People unlucky are the Mourinho side who missed the opportunity to play in the Champions League and also Fiorentina who missed the opportunity to play in the Europa League  indeed Italy missed opportunities.

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June 08, 2023, 01:37:21 PM
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Building a strong team must cost money. A team can never be made strong and beautiful without spending money. And yes in this case 'Roma' is not at all interested in spending any money on the team due to which Roma cannot win the title despite being very strong. I think next season Roma need to strengthen the squad to win the title. And they must bring in stars to strengthen this squat. If Roma can bring in stars and strengthen the management then surely they can win the title next season.

But costing a lot of money will not give you guarantee if your team will be as good as you have planned before. Let's take a look at what already done by chelsea. Chelsea has spent a half of billion USD and it was placing at the bottom.
Mourinho has proven even with cheap squads and he was able bringing roma to the european final two times. The main requirement to build a proper team through building the chemistry between the players.

The good team is always having good chemistry no matter how many supers stars in the club. A good club is not always costing a lot of money.
Sometime the club needs to find a good players by buying it from another club but it's not always working properly. Roma didn't have money to sign the new players.
I remember when the owner of roma was giving only less than 8 millions to sign the new players which is very small.
That's why mourintho was not buying expensive players in the winter transfer season.

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People unlucky are the Mourinho side who missed the opportunity to play in the Champions League and also Fiorentina who missed the opportunity to play in the Europa League  indeed Italy missed opportunities.
Italian teams reached the final games of all European competitions and they are being eliminating one by one unfortunately. Roma missed Europa League final, yesterday Fiorentina lost Conference League title to West Ham and only Inter remain in the race for the Champions League final game vs Manchester City which will be very hard to win.

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People unlucky are the Mourinho side who missed the opportunity to play in the Champions League and also Fiorentina who missed the opportunity to play in the Europa League  indeed Italy missed opportunities.
Italian teams reached the final games of all European competitions and they are being eliminating one by one unfortunately. Roma missed Europa League final, yesterday Fiorentina lost Conference League title to West Ham and only Inter remain in the race for the Champions League final game vs Manchester City which will be very hard to win.


well if I remember correctly Roma lost on penalties
unfortunately penalties are a very unpleasant thing, I don't like them
honestly I'd rather have a second match in 7 days than penalties
but obviously it is not a feasible solution

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June 08, 2023, 03:18:44 PM
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With results like this it can be said that Juventus are the unluckiest club this season and Milan are the luckiest club at the end of the season.
The issue of Juventus is not related to luck or what, it is strictly the consequences of their actions or punishment for their crime. The only reason I was sympathetic with them is the method of the points deduction. Assuming the points were removed when the news first comes, they would have done better. It seems they relaxed before the punishment came towards season end.
People unlucky are the Mourinho side who missed the opportunity to play in the Champions League and also Fiorentina who missed the opportunity to play in the Europa League  indeed Italy missed opportunities.
You should read the entirety of what I wrote earlier.
Indeed, in this case when the reduction of points is the result of the conditions of those who cheat but on the other hand the condition of Juventus this season is not only about reducing points and that I have written before.
Talking about the reduction of points is indeed unfortunate but regardless it is part of what must be done. their officials made mistakes that violated and the consequences they had to accept the reduction even though there may be those who do not know this is happening and not related to the game but still when the officials are guilty then all will be affected.

As for the loss of luck at the end, it can't be blamed either because after all the final there must be one that wins there, it's just that even though they worked hard, the results said otherwise for the Europa League and Conference League finals.

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June 08, 2023, 03:26:23 PM
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People unlucky are the Mourinho side who missed the opportunity to play in the Champions League and also Fiorentina who missed the opportunity to play in the Europa League  indeed Italy missed opportunities.
Italian teams reached the final games of all European competitions and they are being eliminating one by one unfortunately. Roma missed Europa League final, yesterday Fiorentina lost Conference League title to West Ham and only Inter remain in the race for the Champions League final game vs Manchester City which will be very hard to win.


well if I remember correctly Roma lost on penalties
unfortunately penalties are a very unpleasant thing, I don't like them
honestly I'd rather have a second match in 7 days than penalties
but obviously it is not a feasible solution
The conditions in the penalty shootout were fifty-fifty and indeed this defeat was very difficult to predict because apart from luck, the mentality was also clearly tested.
Their good performance won't be guaranteed in the penalty shootout and even if it's also a shame that some of the kicks were missed there but in this case I still feel they did very well in this regard.

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June 08, 2023, 03:36:53 PM
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People unlucky are the Mourinho side who missed the opportunity to play in the Champions League and also Fiorentina who missed the opportunity to play in the Europa League  indeed Italy missed opportunities.
Italian teams reached the final games of all European competitions and they are being eliminating one by one unfortunately. Roma missed Europa League final, yesterday Fiorentina lost Conference League title to West Ham and only Inter remain in the race for the Champions League final game vs Manchester City which will be very hard to win.


well if I remember correctly Roma lost on penalties
unfortunately penalties are a very unpleasant thing, I don't like them
honestly I'd rather have a second match in 7 days than penalties
but obviously it is not a feasible solution
The conditions in the penalty shootout were fifty-fifty and indeed this defeat was very difficult to predict because apart from luck, the mentality was also clearly tested.
Their good performance won't be guaranteed in the penalty shootout and even if it's also a shame that some of the kicks were missed there but in this case I still feel they did very well in this regard.

But, even though AS Roma failed to win the Europa League title at least next season AS Roma will still play in the Europa League again, because AS Roma managed to finish in sixth place in the final standings of Serie A. But about Fiorentina, they failed to get a European ticket next season, because Fiorentina only finished in eighth position in the final standings of Serie A.

But yes, regarding the three Serie A teams that have managed to play in the final in European competition, basically only AS Roma and also Fiorentina have the chance to win a trophy but in reality they failed. Because after all, expecting Inter to beat Manchester City is also too difficult, so on paper Inter only has a low chance of winning in the Champions League.
Thus, the Serie A teams that manage to play in the final match will eventually fail and of course this result will be very unfortunate because it is very rare for Serie A teams to reach the final match simultaneously like that.

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June 08, 2023, 03:37:40 PM
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People unlucky are the Mourinho side who missed the opportunity to play in the Champions League and also Fiorentina who missed the opportunity to play in the Europa League  indeed Italy missed opportunities.
Italian teams reached the final games of all European competitions and they are being eliminating one by one unfortunately. Roma missed Europa League final, yesterday Fiorentina lost Conference League title to West Ham and only Inter remain in the race for the Champions League final game vs Manchester City which will be very hard to win.

The failure of Fiorentina and As Roma was not an intentional failure, both of them have struggled to represent from Italy to win the European league but they have not been so lucky this season, on the other hand Intermilan still has hope of winning the UCL this season even though it looks difficult against Manchester City , I know that if Inter Milan fails then there is no representative from the club in the Italian league who has brought the European League championship trophy.

I think intermilan will fail because it looks like they don't have better players than manhcester city even though there is hope of winning, but not sure they will win it, we see a lot of people who favor manchester city win the UCL and reach the Treble winner, If intermilan wins So, Inter Milan managed to thwart Manchester City from getting the treble winner, but if Intermilan failed, then no club from the Italian league would win the European league championship this season.

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June 08, 2023, 03:46:51 PM
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Jose Mourinho has a clear vision and mission and even though Roma is not a wealthy team that has a lot of money, so far the Roma team has improved a lot after the last 2 seasons when coached by Jose Mourinho.
but now Mourinho has been rumored to move to another team, there is a team that is eyeing him, namely PSG, I really regret it if the coach leaves because it is very likely that Rome will fall back if left by Jose Mourinho.
Mourinho arrival was a blessing for Roma, he managed to make Roma able to compete in the European league in the last two seasons, one of which was successful in bringing home a trophy. It looks like Mourinho will stay in Rome next season, he has devised a plan to build a more solid Roma squad. Roma have prepared 8 million euros to recruit Mauro Icardi, Mourinho also asked El Shaarawy to stay in Rome.
Mourinho's magic will have an impact on Roma appearance, in his hands Roma are increasingly being counted on in the hunt for the top 4 positions. Next season there will be a new surprise from Mourinho if he succeeds in adding to Roma's strength in the transfer market.

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June 08, 2023, 04:12:13 PM
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I haven't seen any update on Mourinho's decision. Are you sure that his decision is final? Because a few days ago I read that he would be okay to stay longer but he said that he would inform the board if he gets an offer from PSG as well. This must be still the same now. Because PSG are about to sack Galtier and Mourinho is a strong candidate for now.

If PSG make an offer for Mourinho then I'm not so sure about if he would like to stay with Roma instead. Because while he can win titles easier with PSG why would he want to continue with Roma and struggle more, right?
Regarding with how much money spent by Jose Mourinho since become AS Roma head coach not really bad his achievement by winning Conference League tittle last season and success lead to Europe League final stage although defeated by Sevilla. I don't sure Jose Mourinho loyal with AS Roma and extend until his contract expiry because he has low budget for transfer player.

Can't compete in domestic league for finish on top fourth standings placed without have star player, I think AS Roma's management should give much money for Jose Mourinho signing new player for next season or possibility for Mourinho accepted PSG offering. Have rumor about Galtier not extend for PSG manager next season and chance for Jose Mourinho for replacing Galtier position.

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June 08, 2023, 05:04:56 PM
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Jose Mourinho has a clear vision and mission and even though Roma is not a wealthy team that has a lot of money, so far the Roma team has improved a lot after the last 2 seasons when coached by Jose Mourinho.
but now Mourinho has been rumored to move to another team, there is a team that is eyeing him, namely PSG, I really regret it if the coach leaves because it is very likely that Rome will fall back if left by Jose Mourinho.
Mourinho arrival was a blessing for Roma, he managed to make Roma able to compete in the European league in the last two seasons, one of which was successful in bringing home a trophy. It looks like Mourinho will stay in Rome next season, he has devised a plan to build a more solid Roma squad. Roma have prepared 8 million euros to recruit Mauro Icardi, Mourinho also asked El Shaarawy to stay in Rome.
Mourinho's magic will have an impact on Roma appearance, in his hands Roma are increasingly being counted on in the hunt for the top 4 positions. Next season there will be a new surprise from Mourinho if he succeeds in adding to Roma's strength in the transfer market.

Mourinho is a coach who really became a hero for AS Roma.
Jose Mourinho is also very loved by As Roma fans and vice versa. In the match against Spezia with a score of 2-1, Jose Mourinho made a celebration that made the fans look excited by going down to the field and greeting the fans after the game. Then he gave a gesture that he would stay at the Olimpico
Then he gave a gesture that he would stay at the Olimpico and would stay at AS Roma and negotiations on extending his contract which would be completed in June 2024.
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June 08, 2023, 05:07:24 PM
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Can't compete in domestic league for finish on top fourth standings placed without have star player, I think AS Roma's management should give much money for Jose Mourinho signing new player for next season or possibility for Mourinho accepted PSG offering. Have rumor about Galtier not extend for PSG manager next season and chance for Jose Mourinho for replacing Galtier position.

I don't think AS Roma can give more money to Mourinho. In quite a long time they couldn't win the title and only last season with confederence cup title. This season they reach the UEL final, but that may not be enough to make the Roma board give extra money to spend on players. Maybe if for 2 - 3 new players, I think it's still possible for Roma, while Mourinho must be able to find players who are cheap but in accordance with the character of his strategy

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June 08, 2023, 05:27:57 PM
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People unlucky are the Mourinho side who missed the opportunity to play in the Champions League and also Fiorentina who missed the opportunity to play in the Europa League  indeed Italy missed opportunities.
Italian teams reached the final games of all European competitions and they are being eliminating one by one unfortunately. Roma missed Europa League final, yesterday Fiorentina lost Conference League title to West Ham and only Inter remain in the race for the Champions League final game vs Manchester City which will be very hard to win.

The failure of Fiorentina and As Roma was not an intentional failure, both of them have struggled to represent from Italy to win the European league but they have not been so lucky this season, on the other hand Intermilan still has hope of winning the UCL this season even though it looks difficult against Manchester City , I know that if Inter Milan fails then there is no representative from the club in the Italian league who has brought the European League championship trophy.

I think intermilan will fail because it looks like they don't have better players than manhcester city even though there is hope of winning, but not sure they will win it, we see a lot of people who favor manchester city win the UCL and reach the Treble winner, If intermilan wins So, Inter Milan managed to thwart Manchester City from getting the treble winner, but if Intermilan failed, then no club from the Italian league would win the European league championship this season.
It's true, the Inter minal team is sorely lacking in skilled players. Inter Milan's players are far behind Manchester City's players. Inter will have a tough road to match Manchester City. Inter's attacks are not as strong as Manchester City's. The main symptom of such a weak attack on the interface is that it fails.  Everyone hopes to win, Inter Minal is full of hope. It is really difficult for inter minal to implement

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June 08, 2023, 05:38:22 PM
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Actually, Serie A teams has chance for playing one more slot to Champion League and Europe League, but failure from AS Roma and Fiorentina made both teams failed to play in Champion League and Europe League next season, actually for Fiorentina after losing over West Ham last night made their opportunity close for paying in Europe League.
This shows that this season's Serie A team is not quite ready to win the European title. Roma and Fiorentina have failed but Inter are the last team likely to fail as Manchester City are the toughest opponents in the Champions League.

I didn't expect too much from Inter in the Champions League final. They are not the favorites to win it and of course expecting Inter to win the title would only be very disappointing. But we can't say for sure if Manchester City will actually do it, it's sure to be an interesting wait for them. Low probability is one of the reasons why I favor Manchester City, so that's not going to change.

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June 08, 2023, 05:42:23 PM
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Can't compete in domestic league for finish on top fourth standings placed without have star player, I think AS Roma's management should give much money for Jose Mourinho signing new player for next season or possibility for Mourinho accepted PSG offering. Have rumor about Galtier not extend for PSG manager next season and chance for Jose Mourinho for replacing Galtier position.
I don't think AS Roma can give more money to Mourinho. In quite a long time they couldn't win the title and only last season with confederence cup title. This season they reach the UEL final, but that may not be enough to make the Roma board give extra money to spend on players. Maybe if for 2 - 3 new players, I think it's still possible for Roma, while Mourinho must be able to find players who are cheap but in accordance with the character of his strategy

Roma is probably among the top 5 clubs in Serie A when market value is considered. But the Roma management is not keen on spending a lot of money to build up their squad. Because they know very well that they will not win the title. The team doesn't even compete for the title. However, if the Roma management provides Mourinho with sufficient funds, Mourinho will surely build a squad capable of challenging for the title. Now we are waiting to see what decision Roma management takes.

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June 08, 2023, 05:59:11 PM
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Can't compete in domestic league for finish on top fourth standings placed without have star player, I think AS Roma's management should give much money for Jose Mourinho signing new player for next season or possibility for Mourinho accepted PSG offering. Have rumor about Galtier not extend for PSG manager next season and chance for Jose Mourinho for replacing Galtier position.
I don't think AS Roma can give more money to Mourinho. In quite a long time they couldn't win the title and only last season with confederence cup title. This season they reach the UEL final, but that may not be enough to make the Roma board give extra money to spend on players. Maybe if for 2 - 3 new players, I think it's still possible for Roma, while Mourinho must be able to find players who are cheap but in accordance with the character of his strategy

Roma is probably among the top 5 clubs in Serie A when market value is considered. But the Roma management is not keen on spending a lot of money to build up their squad. Because they know very well that they will not win the title. The team doesn't even compete for the title. However, if the Roma management provides Mourinho with sufficient funds, Mourinho will surely build a squad capable of challenging for the title. Now we are waiting to see what decision Roma management takes.

We should first see if Mourinho will continue to stay at Roma also for the next year, he is ambitious and wants to win, and delusion about the lose of Europa League was really big. About Roma management, they doesn't have

many funds to spend for new players, so, they will try to buy some good talent and enforce some zone that needs to be enforced.

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June 08, 2023, 07:10:29 PM
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Building a strong team must cost money. A team can never be made strong and beautiful without spending money. And yes in this case 'Roma' is not at all interested in spending any money on the team due to which Roma cannot win the title despite being very strong. I think next season Roma need to strengthen the squad to win the title. And they must bring in stars to strengthen this squat. If Roma can bring in stars and strengthen the management then surely they can win the title next season.

But costing a lot of money will not give you guarantee if your team will be as good as you have planned before. Let's take a look at what already done by chelsea. Chelsea has spent a half of billion USD and it was placing at the bottom.
Mourinho has proven even with cheap squads and he was able bringing roma to the european final two times. The main requirement to build a proper team through building the chemistry between the players.

The good team is always having good chemistry no matter how many supers stars in the club. A good club is not always costing a lot of money.
Sometime the club needs to find a good players by buying it from another club but it's not always working properly. Roma didn't have money to sign the new players.
I remember when the owner of roma was giving only less than 8 millions to sign the new players which is very small.
That's why mourintho was not buying expensive players in the winter transfer season.

Usually money can buy you some quality, but as you said you don't have a guarantee that when you buy the 11 most expensive players that you also immediately have the best team in the world. I also think that one big problem is overpaying for quite some time now. I am sure you guys remember some of the numbers that have been paid in the past and you probably thought that the price isn't justified. I have had the feeling a couple of times and even Neymar has never been worth 222 million when he went to PSG. The price is really misleading in many respects but the clubs know that there is so much money in the industry that they can charge it.

Two examples, Kroos cost 25 million when he went to Real Madrid and Modric cost 30 million when he went to Real Madrid. How is that even possible when players like Dembele and Bellingham now cost 150 and 130 million, respectively? Are they 5 times better than Kroos and Modric? I know Dembele is a winger, but there are definitely examples that would also stand the test with a winger.

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