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June 10, 2023, 09:21:09 PM
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Don't worry. It's dortmund's business. This team will be always doing it forever. Winning a trophy was just bonus but generating more and more money from selling developed players are very smart.


Great picture, I want the same for Arsenal. These are two clubs that use a cynical (towards their fans) business strategy, but it works. I'm not sure if this is the optimal strategy, after all, Bayern has almost all financial indicators twice as much + a bunch of titles, but apparently Dortmund is not chasing risky money, but prefers reliable ones.

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June 10, 2023, 10:17:29 PM
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Borussia Dortmund has released one of its best players this season, Jude Bellingham. Yes once again we see them letting go of their prized players, and that is what we are used to seeing. I don't have a problem with this because Brussia Dortmund also benefit, but I regret it when they keep selling their valuable players continuously. The reason is that we know that it is currently difficult for them to break Bayern Munich's dominance, and when they got the big opportunity to break Bayern Munich's dominance, they failed to do so in the end.

Next season there is no guarantee that the same thing will happen as this season, because Bayern Munich will definitely evaluate how to navigate the coming season.

This is Borussia Dortmund's business style, this club can be said to rely on buying and selling players and so on every season. we can even review, almost every season they produce talented young players. Over the years, Dortmund has always been known as a pretty ideal club. they are able to excel and play attractive football as well as earn income from selling players without disturbing the solidity of the locker room.

Uniquely, the player's departure did not interfere with the team's material, in fact, Dotmund still finished in the top 4 of the Bundesliga regardless of his coach. currently, only Bellingham they released to Madrid. we don't know if other players will follow in Bellingham's footsteps. or, Dortmund will still hold it for the next season. at least, there is still Adeyemi, Youssoufa Maukoko, who has the potential to leave or be retained. in essence, Dormund had gained a huge advantage just letting Bellingham go. plus, their target is still achieved to finish in the top 4 of the Bundesliga. so, don't expect big if Dormund wins the Bundesliga trophy.

basically, if the Bundesliga wants to be like other leagues they have to change the 50+1 rule.
Over the years, we've seen Borussia Dortmund sell their most prized players to not just non German clubs but also to their major rival Bayern Munich and that's been their biggest problem and has also stopped them from winning the German league or doing well I Europe.
I think it's something that's very acceptable to the club's management as it been fetching them real gains. I think Bayern Munich are more taking advantage of the policy because it does make Borussia Dortmund less of a serious contender when compared to them
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June 10, 2023, 11:23:15 PM
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Don't worry. It's dortmund's business. This team will be always doing it forever. Winning a trophy was just bonus but generating more and more money from selling developed players are very smart.


Great picture, I want the same for Arsenal. These are two clubs that use a cynical (towards their fans) business strategy, but it works. I'm not sure if this is the optimal strategy, after all, Bayern has almost all financial indicators twice as much + a bunch of titles, but apparently Dortmund is not chasing risky money, but prefers reliable ones.
The fact that they are just doing good in making money through those buying - developing - then selling it at super high prices .,, having those domestic league success will always become second priority as they have set the priority at the first place , no wonder if by then dortmund will only get a trophy once in 10 years , sad fact but profitable.

Pure business? Idk , winning bundesliga earn you €80m ... but dortmund earned more than that without winning anything.

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June 10, 2023, 11:59:26 PM
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The fact that they are just doing good in making money through those buying - developing - then selling it at super high prices .,, having those domestic league success will always become second priority as they have set the priority at the first place , no wonder if by then dortmund will only get a trophy once in 10 years , sad fact but profitable.

Pure business? Idk , winning bundesliga earn you €80m ... but dortmund earned more than that without winning anything.
Indeed Dortmund is synonymous with selling star players which they do in every transfer market, even this season they have done it again by selling Bellingham to another club. One of the factors that made them like this is a financial problem because they get a lot of profit from the work they do which sells players at quite high prices to other teams. I don't think Dortmund will be able to give many surprises in every season in the Bundesliga because they are not too strong to compete with Bayern Munich.

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June 11, 2023, 02:05:21 AM
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Don't worry. It's dortmund's business. This team will be always doing it forever. Winning a trophy was just bonus but generating more and more money from selling developed players are very smart.

Even if they don't have supremacy in the bundesliga, they make simple earnings every season, which is why their predicted budget for a year takes longer to execute. They have no financial difficulties, they don't take out too much, and they also don't give in too much. Dortmund's economic model has evolved over time, with the goal of acquiring promising young players and profiting from them when other great clubs come calling. They're quite good at turning down offers from elite clubs, making three times the money they used in the market; this picture alone justifies everything.


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June 11, 2023, 05:25:25 AM
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Don't worry. It's dortmund's business. This team will be always doing it forever. Winning a trophy was just bonus but generating more and more money from selling developed players are very smart.

Even if they don't have supremacy in the bundesliga, they make simple earnings every season, which is why their predicted budget for a year takes longer to execute. They have no financial difficulties, they don't take out too much, and they also don't give in too much. Dortmund's economic model has evolved over time, with the goal of acquiring promising young players and profiting from them when other great clubs come calling. They're quite good at turning down offers from elite clubs, making three times the money they used in the market; this picture alone justifies everything.


Dortmund made a big mistake by letting such a player go. If they add some players like Arling Haaland to the team then the team will make a big impact in the Bundesliga next season. Because there are no special players in the Bayern Munich team.
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June 11, 2023, 05:33:43 AM
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Borussia Dortmund has released one of its best players this season, Jude Bellingham. Yes once again we see them letting go of their prized players, and that is what we are used to seeing. I don't have a problem with this because Brussia Dortmund also benefit, but I regret it when they keep selling their valuable players continuously. The reason is that we know that it is currently difficult for them to break Bayern Munich's dominance, and when they got the big opportunity to break Bayern Munich's dominance, they failed to do so in the end.

Next season there is no guarantee that the same thing will happen as this season, because Bayern Munich will definitely evaluate how to navigate the coming season.

I don't think it makes much sense to send a young football player like Bellingham off the team. He is currently signed to Real Madrid and will perhaps play for them for many years to come. I think Dortmund cannot make very logical decisions on such matters.
I don't know if they'll ever get an opportunity as big as this year's. Bayern made a lot of mistakes this year, but they may not be like that next year. They've been dominating the league for so many years and for the first time in a long time we thought they were going to lose the championship this year Smiley
The problem may be in this case can not be separated from several conditions.
The season before they insisted on keeping Haaland and indeed until the end of the contract there was no change and that actually cost them sales, they didn't want that anymore for Jude. The offer is big and the contract is running out but it's a shame something like this has to happen again and again and it's possible things like that won't change for Dortmund.
Now they still have to tie up one more young player who has good potential and progress. Moukoko is an interesting player for them now and my hope is that they keep this young player.
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June 11, 2023, 06:19:33 AM
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Indeed Dortmund is synonymous with selling star players which they do in every transfer market, even this season they have done it again by selling Bellingham to another club. One of the factors that made them like this is a financial problem because they get a lot of profit from the work they do which sells players at quite high prices to other teams. I don't think Dortmund will be able to give many surprises in every season in the Bundesliga because they are not too strong to compete with Bayern Munich.

This is dortmund's strategy.



It seems like that dortmund has a reason why it was doing the strategy to buy cheap and sell high. In my opinion if dortmund is not as rich as bayern. it can become a sense reason why dortmund was doing it. Dortmund has so many reasons to explain it.

I do believe if the management has a reason why dortmund was doing such strategy and that's pretty much the same like what already done in the past. Arsenal has not owned by rich owner.
That's why the club was doing such strategy to make sure its financial is always stable.
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June 11, 2023, 06:47:00 AM
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Indeed Dortmund is synonymous with selling star players which they do in every transfer market, even this season they have done it again by selling Bellingham to another club. One of the factors that made them like this is a financial problem because they get a lot of profit from the work they do which sells players at quite high prices to other teams. I don't think Dortmund will be able to give many surprises in every season in the Bundesliga because they are not too strong to compete with Bayern Munich.

This is dortmund's strategy.



It seems like that dortmund has a reason why it was doing the strategy to buy cheap and sell high. In my opinion if dortmund is not as rich as bayern. it can become a sense reason why dortmund was doing it. Dortmund has so many reasons to explain it.

I do believe if the management has a reason why dortmund was doing such strategy and that's pretty much the same like what already done in the past. Arsenal has not owned by rich owner.
That's why the club was doing such strategy to make sure its financial is always stable.
If Bayern Munich fail to secure the Bundesliga title this season, the team will be financially affected to some extent. However, after being eliminated from the Champions League, Bayern Munich performed very poorly in the subsequent Bundesliga matches. Fortunately, Bayern Munich managed to secure the Bundesliga title. Otherwise, Dortmund would have been able to secure a great service.

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June 11, 2023, 08:04:32 AM
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Indeed Dortmund is synonymous with selling star players which they do in every transfer market, even this season they have done it again by selling Bellingham to another club. One of the factors that made them like this is a financial problem because they get a lot of profit from the work they do which sells players at quite high prices to other teams. I don't think Dortmund will be able to give many surprises in every season in the Bundesliga because they are not too strong to compete with Bayern Munich.

This is dortmund's strategy.



It seems like that dortmund has a reason why it was doing the strategy to buy cheap and sell high. In my opinion if dortmund is not as rich as bayern. it can become a sense reason why dortmund was doing it. Dortmund has so many reasons to explain it.

I do believe if the management has a reason why dortmund was doing such strategy and that's pretty much the same like what already done in the past. Arsenal has not owned by rich owner.
That's why the club was doing such strategy to make sure its financial is always stable.

This is a good overview and Dortmund is making good money of these sales and use it to invest in higher salaries in order to be able to keep future players at the club for longer. Or to raise salaries for high profile players that are thinking about leaving the club. But Dortmund is still not in a position to make a 100 million transfer themselves and buy a player who is readily world class level. That sometimes hurts them because every time they have built a squad that is strong and reliable, it is almost guaranteed that at least two key players get bought out or leave the club at the end of the season.
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The fact that they are just doing good in making money through those buying - developing - then selling it at super high prices .,, having those domestic league success will always become second priority as they have set the priority at the first place , no wonder if by then dortmund will only get a trophy once in 10 years , sad fact but profitable.

Pure business? Idk , winning bundesliga earn you €80m ... but dortmund earned more than that without winning anything.
Indeed Dortmund is synonymous with selling star players which they do in every transfer market, even this season they have done it again by selling Bellingham to another club. One of the factors that made them like this is a financial problem because they get a lot of profit from the work they do which sells players at quite high prices to other teams. I don't think Dortmund will be able to give many surprises in every season in the Bundesliga because they are not too strong to compete with Bayern Munich.
Even if Borussia Dortmund has a history of offloading outstanding players in recent transfer markets it would be misleading to define them purely by that characteristic. Dortmund has continually shown that it is capable of discovering hidden gems that grow into future stars and nurturing and developing them. Dortmund emphasis on youth development and their dedication to attractive offensive football have earned them a loyal following and a competitive presence in the Bundesliga even though financial factors play a part in their transfer strategy. Dortmund has proven that they are capable of challenging and surprising even the toughest opponents making each season a fascinating and unpredictable event. Bayern Munich may currently rule German football but Dortmund has demonstrated that they are capable of doing so.

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June 11, 2023, 08:28:54 AM
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The fact that they are just doing good in making money through those buying - developing - then selling it at super high prices .,, having those domestic league success will always become second priority as they have set the priority at the first place , no wonder if by then dortmund will only get a trophy once in 10 years , sad fact but profitable.

Pure business? Idk , winning bundesliga earn you €80m ... but dortmund earned more than that without winning anything.
Indeed Dortmund is synonymous with selling star players which they do in every transfer market, even this season they have done it again by selling Bellingham to another club. One of the factors that made them like this is a financial problem because they get a lot of profit from the work they do which sells players at quite high prices to other teams. I don't think Dortmund will be able to give many surprises in every season in the Bundesliga because they are not too strong to compete with Bayern Munich.
How could Dortmund be able to compete with Bayern Munich while Dortmund sold some of their best players.
I don't know if it's just because we want to increase Dortmund's finances, but our hope as Dortmund fans in the next season will create a new era that can compete with Bayern Munich.
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The fact that they are just doing good in making money through those buying - developing - then selling it at super high prices .,, having those domestic league success will always become second priority as they have set the priority at the first place , no wonder if by then dortmund will only get a trophy once in 10 years , sad fact but profitable.

Pure business? Idk , winning bundesliga earn you €80m ... but dortmund earned more than that without winning anything.
Indeed Dortmund is synonymous with selling star players which they do in every transfer market, even this season they have done it again by selling Bellingham to another club. One of the factors that made them like this is a financial problem because they get a lot of profit from the work they do which sells players at quite high prices to other teams. I don't think Dortmund will be able to give many surprises in every season in the Bundesliga because they are not too strong to compete with Bayern Munich.
How could Dortmund be able to compete with Bayern Munich while Dortmund sold some of their best players.
I don't know if it's just because we want to increase Dortmund's finances, but our hope as Dortmund fans in the next season will create a new era that can compete with Bayern Munich.
That's what I thought too. they did become a successful team with a project to find potential young talent, but that was not enough for them to achieve something big in this Bundeliga, at least. now if we count from the beginning, how much they sell young star players, even they are ready to sell their best players to their rivals in the Bundesliga. It's a shame what they always do.

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June 11, 2023, 12:19:38 PM
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Don't worry. It's dortmund's business. This team will be always doing it forever. Winning a trophy was just bonus but generating more and more money from selling developed players are very smart.

Even if they don't have supremacy in the bundesliga, they make simple earnings every season, which is why their predicted budget for a year takes longer to execute. They have no financial difficulties, they don't take out too much, and they also don't give in too much. Dortmund's economic model has evolved over time, with the goal of acquiring promising young players and profiting from them when other great clubs come calling. They're quite good at turning down offers from elite clubs, making three times the money they used in the market; this picture alone justifies everything.


This was the former pattern of Arsenal of old. I don't know how Dortmund have now adopted to that pattern and they are doing very well.
What I did not understand is how they get exact replacement of what they have already stood and if not better replacement of the player every season. Some times they will even get more than one star players in the same season and they will even sell both of them and still perform good and will still have another replacement next season.
Just after Haaland left, we thought it was over, from no where they have developed Jude Bellingham. I envy their strategy of making money.
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June 11, 2023, 12:30:29 PM
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How could Dortmund be able to compete with Bayern Munich while Dortmund sold some of their best players.
I don't know if it's just because we want to increase Dortmund's finances, but our hope as Dortmund fans in the next season will create a new era that can compete with Bayern Munich.
Dortmund more priority with their business than how to stop Bayern Munich dominance in Bundesliga, almost every season Dortmund sell their star player and bad ideas when not extend left defender Raphaël Guerreiro and has confirmed reach agreement for joining with Bayern Munich. For next season, Dortmund have confirmed leave by two players from Jude Belinggham sell to Real Madrid and the last name Raphaël Guerreiro join Bayern Munich as free agent.

Dortmund have change with their habit keep extend their star player after giving more contribution, actually this season has chance for winning Bundesliga but loss points on last match made Bayern winning Bundesliga since last ten years.

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Great picture, I want the same for Arsenal. These are two clubs that use a cynical (towards their fans) business strategy, but it works. I'm not sure if this is the optimal strategy, after all, Bayern has almost all financial indicators twice as much + a bunch of titles, but apparently Dortmund is not chasing risky money, but prefers reliable ones.
The fact that they are just doing good in making money through those buying - developing - then selling it at super high prices .,, having those domestic league success will always become second priority as they have set the priority at the first place , no wonder if by then dortmund will only get a trophy once in 10 years , sad fact but profitable.

Pure business? Idk , winning bundesliga earn you €80m ... but dortmund earned more than that without winning anything.

What about the Champions League? There are much more earnings and it is obvious that Bayern earns there more than Dortmund on transfers. Plus, the presence of titles gives a boost to all your earnings, from advertising to ticket sales, etc. The only problem is that titles are not guaranteed if you invest in a team.

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Indeed Dortmund is synonymous with selling star players which they do in every transfer market, even this season they have done it again by selling Bellingham to another club. One of the factors that made them like this is a financial problem because they get a lot of profit from the work they do which sells players at quite high prices to other teams. I don't think Dortmund will be able to give many surprises in every season in the Bundesliga because they are not too strong to compete with Bayern Munich.
How could Dortmund be able to compete with Bayern Munich while Dortmund sold some of their best players.
I don't know if it's just because we want to increase Dortmund's finances, but our hope as Dortmund fans in the next season will create a new era that can compete with Bayern Munich.
We don't know what Edin Terzic's plan and Borussia Dortmund's management actually are by selling some of their best players, it could just be that the sale is because they want to replace them by buying even better players so they can bring Dortmund to win.
If we compare Dortmund with Bayern Munich this season, it seems that Dortmund have not been able to compete Bayern Munich.
But everything can turn around in an instant because in a football match we can't really predict exactly.
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Indeed Dortmund is synonymous with selling star players which they do in every transfer market, even this season they have done it again by selling Bellingham to another club. One of the factors that made them like this is a financial problem because they get a lot of profit from the work they do which sells players at quite high prices to other teams. I don't think Dortmund will be able to give many surprises in every season in the Bundesliga because they are not too strong to compete with Bayern Munich.
How could Dortmund be able to compete with Bayern Munich while Dortmund sold some of their best players.
I don't know if it's just because we want to increase Dortmund's finances, but our hope as Dortmund fans in the next season will create a new era that can compete with Bayern Munich.
We don't know what Edin Terzic's plan and Borussia Dortmund's management actually are by selling some of their best players, it could just be that the sale is because they want to replace them by buying even better players so they can bring Dortmund to win.
If we compare Dortmund with Bayern Munich this season, it seems that Dortmund have not been able to compete Bayern Munich.
But everything can turn around in an instant because in a football match we can't really predict exactly.

No, they sell those players because they have to sell those players. Their goal isn't to sell a player and then buy an even better one for even more money than they received because if they could, they wouldn't sell in the first place. Dortmund can't afford to say no when a club offers 100+ million for a player.

The second part of your post is a bit weird because what is the point? Dortmund became 2nd, is that what leads you to saying that they weren't able to compete? Isn't it always that way when I compare the 1st to the 2nd that I could conclude that the 2nd couldn't compete with the 1st? I am not sure whether you had a look at the final standings of the Bundesliga, but Dortmund was equal in points with Bayern (both 71) and Bayern won the title because of a better goal difference. I think Dortmund was able to compete.
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June 11, 2023, 02:07:57 PM
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Dortmund made a big mistake by letting such a player go. If they add some players like Arling Haaland to the team then the team will make a big impact in the Bundesliga next season. Because there are no special players in the Bayern Munich team.
Maybe you are the only one who thinks there are no special players in the Bayern Munich team, because maybe you don't really know the players in the Bayern Munich team. It's true that many of the players who used to come from Dortmund were good when they were in other teams so the price was also quite expensive because Dortmund did sell players with potential and didn't often sell players whose potential was still lacking. I also don't really understand the pace that Dortmund has taken in terms of selling and retaining their players.
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June 11, 2023, 02:13:24 PM
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The fact that they are just doing good in making money through those buying - developing - then selling it at super high prices .,, having those domestic league success will always become second priority as they have set the priority at the first place , no wonder if by then dortmund will only get a trophy once in 10 years , sad fact but profitable.

Pure business? Idk , winning bundesliga earn you €80m ... but dortmund earned more than that without winning anything.
Indeed Dortmund is synonymous with selling star players which they do in every transfer market, even this season they have done it again by selling Bellingham to another club. One of the factors that made them like this is a financial problem because they get a lot of profit from the work they do which sells players at quite high prices to other teams. I don't think Dortmund will be able to give many surprises in every season in the Bundesliga because they are not too strong to compete with Bayern Munich.
Even if Borussia Dortmund has a history of offloading outstanding players in recent transfer markets it would be misleading to define them purely by that characteristic. Dortmund has continually shown that it is capable of discovering hidden gems that grow into future stars and nurturing and developing them. Dortmund emphasis on youth development and their dedication to attractive offensive football have earned them a loyal following and a competitive presence in the Bundesliga even though financial factors play a part in their transfer strategy. Dortmund has proven that they are capable of challenging and surprising even the toughest opponents making each season a fascinating and unpredictable event. Bayern Munich may currently rule German football but Dortmund has demonstrated that they are capable of doing so.

Why use he word offloading they are one of the best clubs around the world that generate the finest players
They have just seen a player joining bayern munich once more
They had a chance to win the league but they still lost it. Jude Bellingham will be missed but they will get another player that does better whenever they sell a player

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