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June 21, 2023, 11:21:43 AM
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Borrusia Dortmund has good qualities and is capable of matching Bayern Munich's strength in a competitive campaign for the trophy. I understand that the club is making great revenues through the sales of their important star players, but they are also working hard for other clubs. The team is balanced enough, but I believe they squandered their opportunity to win the Bundesliga title this season, with poor performances at the end when they urgently needed a win. When will the moment come for Bundesliga teams to turn the clock back with Bayern Munich's ultimate dominance?
Probably, dortmund was not lucky enough at the last match against mainz. To be honest, if it's the most important match but it seems like that all the players seemed nervous to mee to face mainz as the final match that would be determining the win or lose for dortmund last season.

Bayern was lucky enough caused by dortmund was not lucky at that moment. Mainz seems even a strong opponent at that time by conceded dortmund two goals before dortmund was making its revenge but the said thing if dortmund can only get draw against mainz.

I knew how bad reaction from reus to see its team failed to win the bundesliga again even though it's only 1 step ahead of him to take the trophy.

Mentality always become the main problem that owned by dortmund.

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June 21, 2023, 02:08:40 PM
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Edson Alvarez's name is called with Dortmund recently. He is said to be the replacement of Bellingham for Dortmund. However I'm not sure about this. Because the roles these players have played in are different actually. Because Edson Alvarez is more of a player adopting a defense-oriented game. He has even played as a centre-back in times there was such need.

But Bellingham has a much more attacking-oriented game style. Therefore Dortmund could have bigger issues in creating many more goal chances in this case. Of course this is just what some news people believe so it might not be true.

Besides I would love to see a new young talent as Bellingham at Dortmund again to see his development.
Edson Alvarez has indeed played more to maintain depth in the midfield than to play to assist the attack even though he can be positioned as an attacking midfielder at times. Maybe Borussia Dortmund sees the potential in him and can become a player who can replace Jude Bellingham who left for Real Madrid next season.
Actually I don't doubt that Borussia Dortmund can juggle players and can play in various positions and that has been proven by creating a lot of very good players at a young age who eventually became one of the best players at the club he became after Borussia Dortmund sold him.

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June 21, 2023, 02:51:19 PM
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The young players Dortmund has on their squad have the chance of winning trophies, Dortmund are so quick in selling this players out to another club, they do not use this players to get trophies first but they use these player's to make money for the club. If  Dortmund really wants a trophy they will get but it is not as a challenge for them.  Dortmund has the money to form a strong squad that can compete with Bayern Munich, but I can see they are not really in need  of winning the trophy that's why Bayern Munich will keep winning the league no matter how bad their performance will be.

If the management of Dortmund can change their pattern and draft out a good target I don't see reason why they won't be able to win the Bundesliga if the management is really tasty for winning Bundesliga. Bayern Munich has good formation in making a strong squad, this has been the reason for their victories in every season.
I think it is not about trophies or success short term, I think it's more about the fact that they need to build a sustainable club. I do not know how they can do that, because if you have a team that has a good amount of fan base then you should be earning an income, but success would mean more income of course, that's the point.

I think the best thing about the current situation is that Dortmund could end up working as hard as possible and they could end up with nothing at all if they do not have the money for it. But if they can keep getting young players and sell at least one player for this high, that would mean they can get a lot better, that's the whole point. I believe that it would be a lovely idea and should be considered as the best thing to do for them.

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June 21, 2023, 03:05:50 PM
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In general, I wonder how Borussia Dortmund manages to remain among the leaders of German football with such tactics of the annual sale of their leaders. On the other hand, after all this, it is not at all surprising that Bayern Munich has been consistently becoming Bundesliga champions year after year for the past eleven years. And even when Bayern Munich seems to be handing the title into the wrong hands, as this season, Borussia Dortmund is not able to take this title and take the decisive step.
As you can see that if dortmund dortmund is still remaing among some top clubs in bundesliga. The only problem is why dortmund never won the league even since a decade ago. I believe some people might see the habits that owned by this club to sell good player even to the its rival as a very bad habit. There is also another unanswered question about dortmund regarding it. Will dortmund able to survive without even try to sell the player?
Since dortmund is not having a good income from bundesliga even when it was playing on UCL as well. Dortmund has to stabilized its financial to make sure if it will be able to pay its players salary.

I do believe some people will be feeling skeptical about this club caused by dortmund was selling more and more player to another club but since the main reason is only known by its intern and people can only speculate.
Even if Dortmund had not sold its key players there is still no guarantee that they would have been able to win the Bundesliga.
That makes sense if dortmund was selling its player to the another club.

In recent seasons, Dortmund has become a club that generates high profits from the sale of its players. that's why, it can be said that Dortmund has such stable financial resources. the point is, we don't know exactly how much they spent and how much they received. anyway I'm not interested in exploring, maybe just for general things. but, it seems that the business they run is the only source that generates large funds for them. because if I refer to various media that I have read, the 50+1 system makes this competition uncompetitive and there are only a few rich teams. it is difficult in competition to recruit potential players, because their funds are limited without outside investors. we can refer to Bayern Munich, they have Die hard Bayern supporters. and one of Bayern's biggest sources of income is broadcast revenue, aka TV broadcasting rights revenue. In Budeseliga, only 25% of TV broadcasting rights revenue is divided equally among the contestants, the remainder is distributed according to performance in the league. that's why, Munich remained financially healthy and they became a dominating club.

Back to Dortmund, I often review it in several posts that Dortmund was almost bankrupt. and finally, the Jurgen Klopp era came and they started to produce talented players. then, they released it at a high price. By the way, I'm still in the light of Dortmund's glorious era and my favorite player is Jan Koller.

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June 21, 2023, 03:22:45 PM
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Borrusia Dortmund has good qualities and is capable of matching Bayern Munich's strength in a competitive campaign for the trophy. I understand that the club is making great revenues through the sales of their important star players, but they are also working hard for other clubs. The team is balanced enough, but I believe they squandered their opportunity to win the Bundesliga title this season, with poor performances at the end when they urgently needed a win. When will the moment come for Bundesliga teams to turn the clock back with Bayern Munich's ultimate dominance?
The departure of some important players destabilized the club. Seeing how bad the performance of dortmund in the last match against mainz makes me think if dortmund will perform even badly next season.
Bellingham leave. It's also selling its important defender to the bayern. Dortmund was not making a great income from selling the players, clubs were also having a lot of expenses.
It can be seen from the financial report of dortmund during the previous season. Even though dortmund was making some huge transfers, but team was not getting huge profits.

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They are not going to improve as a club and not going to be a desirable destination for great players if they do not change their approach. And I understand that in the end, a club has to think about money. But the problem with Dortmund is that they are only thinking about money. And they are not going to do very well with that mentality. It would have been good to even see if they actually invested that money into making a really good squad. But they don’t do that as well. The sad part is that they know this very well, but they do not want to do anything about it. They just want to keep doing what they are doing.
In general, I wonder how Borussia Dortmund manages to remain among the leaders of German football with such tactics of the annual sale of their leaders. On the other hand, after all this, it is not at all surprising that Bayern Munich has been consistently becoming Bundesliga champions year after year for the past eleven years. And even when Bayern Munich seems to be handing the title into the wrong hands, as this season, Borussia Dortmund is not able to take this title and take the decisive step.

Bayern Munich is the strongest team in the Bundesliga. Because they have a lot of money, they form the best squad in the Bundesliga every season. And as a result every season we see the dominance of Bayern Munich. Dortmund may have played well this season. Even then I would say that they don't have a stable squad to win the title. Also, this club forms teams with young players. Despite being able to perform well, the squad lacks experienced players. When a player becomes experienced, the Dortmund management makes money by selling him. If Dortmund's ownership changes or Dortmund gets a better sponsor. Then maybe they will form a strong squad. and will compete with Munich for the title.
While it is accurate to say that Bayern Munich has dominated the Bundesliga for many seasons blaming their success purely on money ignores the complex dynamics of football. While having a stable financial situation can help when building a great team it does not ensure ongoing success. Dortmund, on the other hand has adopted a different strategy putting an emphasis on developing young players and encouraging a particular style of play. With Dortmund frequently pressuring Bayern and generating thrilling football this tactic has produced encouraging results. Dortmund places a strong emphasis on youth development which promotes long term sustainability even though they may not have the same financial clout. Dortmund may improve their team even further and possibly challenge Bayern dominance with the appropriate ownership and sponsorship demonstrating that success is not just based on financial strength but rather a combination of strategic planning talent development and team harmony.

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Borrusia Dortmund has good qualities and is capable of matching Bayern Munich's strength in a competitive campaign for the trophy. I understand that the club is making great revenues through the sales of their important star players, but they are also working hard for other clubs. The team is balanced enough, but I believe they squandered their opportunity to win the Bundesliga title this season, with poor performances at the end when they urgently needed a win. When will the moment come for Bundesliga teams to turn the clock back with Bayern Munich's ultimate dominance?
The departure of some important players destabilized the club. Seeing how bad the performance of dortmund in the last match against mainz makes me think if dortmund will perform even badly next season.
Bellingham leave. It's also selling its important defender to the bayern. Dortmund was not making a great income from selling the players, clubs were also having a lot of expenses.
It can be seen from the financial report of dortmund during the previous season. Even though dortmund was making some huge transfers, but team was not getting huge profits.

Don't you realize that in every transfer window at the start of the season, Dortmund always sells its star players, but the fact is that Dortmund can always be Bayern Munich's toughest competitor in the Bundesliga. With that said, the departure of a key Dortmund player whether it's financially beneficial or not, I think it's still profitable for Dortmund because they've always done that. But one thing we have to remember is how much Dortmund has sold its key players, but Dortmund will also be able to compete in the race for the Bundesliga title.

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Borrusia Dortmund has good qualities and is capable of matching Bayern Munich's strength in a competitive campaign for the trophy. I understand that the club is making great revenues through the sales of their important star players, but they are also working hard for other clubs. The team is balanced enough, but I believe they squandered their opportunity to win the Bundesliga title this season, with poor performances at the end when they urgently needed a win. When will the moment come for Bundesliga teams to turn the clock back with Bayern Munich's ultimate dominance?
The departure of some important players destabilized the club. Seeing how bad the performance of dortmund in the last match against mainz makes me think if dortmund will perform even badly next season.
Bellingham leave. It's also selling its important defender to the bayern. Dortmund was not making a great income from selling the players, clubs were also having a lot of expenses.
It can be seen from the financial report of dortmund during the previous season. Even though dortmund was making some huge transfers, but team was not getting huge profits.

Don't you realize that in every transfer window at the start of the season, Dortmund always sells its star players, but the fact is that Dortmund can always be Bayern Munich's toughest competitor in the Bundesliga. With that said, the departure of a key Dortmund player whether it's financially beneficial or not, I think it's still profitable for Dortmund because they've always done that. But one thing we have to remember is how much Dortmund has sold its key players, but Dortmund will also be able to compete in the race for the Bundesliga title.

This strategy of Borussia Dortmund means to me that they are not aiming for the Bundesliga championship. If they really wanted to be champions, they wouldn't have sold the young and world star candidates who are in the top 11 every year. The most recent example of this was Jude Bellingham. He was also an important name in the main squad, although Dortmund sold him.

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June 21, 2023, 07:19:57 PM
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Borrusia Dortmund has good qualities and is capable of matching Bayern Munich's strength in a competitive campaign for the trophy. I understand that the club is making great revenues through the sales of their important star players, but they are also working hard for other clubs. The team is balanced enough, but I believe they squandered their opportunity to win the Bundesliga title this season, with poor performances at the end when they urgently needed a win. When will the moment come for Bundesliga teams to turn the clock back with Bayern Munich's ultimate dominance?
The departure of some important players destabilized the club. Seeing how bad the performance of dortmund in the last match against mainz makes me think if dortmund will perform even badly next season.
Bellingham leave. It's also selling its important defender to the bayern. Dortmund was not making a great income from selling the players, clubs were also having a lot of expenses.
It can be seen from the financial report of dortmund during the previous season. Even though dortmund was making some huge transfers, but team was not getting huge profits.

Don't you realize that in every transfer window at the start of the season, Dortmund always sells its star players, but the fact is that Dortmund can always be Bayern Munich's toughest competitor in the Bundesliga. With that said, the departure of a key Dortmund player whether it's financially beneficial or not, I think it's still profitable for Dortmund because they've always done that. But one thing we have to remember is how much Dortmund has sold its key players, but Dortmund will also be able to compete in the race for the Bundesliga title.

This strategy of Borussia Dortmund means to me that they are not aiming for the Bundesliga championship. If they really wanted to be champions, they wouldn't have sold the young and world star candidates who are in the top 11 every year. The most recent example of this was Jude Bellingham. He was also an important name in the main squad, although Dortmund sold him.

I'm sure they want the championship in the Bundesliga, but the young football players who shine in Borussia Dortmund naturally want to be transferred to other leagues in the world. If Borussia refuses, they may not be able to bring promising players to their team. That's why they constantly add young players to their staff, contributing to their development and making significant transfer profits. I think what Borussia Dortmund is doing is actually the right thing. I think they will be champions soon.

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Don't you realize that in every transfer window at the start of the season, Dortmund always sells its star players, but the fact is that Dortmund can always be Bayern Munich's toughest competitor in the Bundesliga. With that said, the departure of a key Dortmund player whether it's financially beneficial or not, I think it's still profitable for Dortmund because they've always done that. But one thing we have to remember is how much Dortmund has sold its key players, but Dortmund will also be able to compete in the race for the Bundesliga title.
How can you compete? Bayern Munich have won the Bundesliga 11 times in a row since 2013. From here it is very clear that Dortmund is a business club and prioritizes business and profit above all. It's different from the team in the EPL who can balance business and the quality of their team.

Dortmund seems to prefer to focus on business only and is not so ambitious in pursuing the Bundesliga trophy. Apart from the gap that occurred between Dortmund and Bayern Munich. On the other hand, Bayern Munich is too OP in the German league and it's difficult to just compete with them. This season, Dormunt was able to compete with Bayer Munchen and even almost won the championship, although in the end it failed, even that because Bayer Munchen was inconsistent again. this is the same as PSG in the French league. This dominance is too high, making clubs like Dortmund think realistically and prefer to stay in their comfort zone rather than having to compete tooth and nail against Bayern Munich's domination in the Bundesliga.

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If Dortmund's ownership changes or Dortmund gets a better sponsor. Then maybe they will form a strong squad. and will compete with Munich for the title.
I've never read the history of them buying big players. Dortmund has always been a maker of new great players. So Dortmund are not likely to buy great players, they always buy big potential players. So it seems that changing the traditions that are already running makes them uncomfortable. Dortmund's orientation is business, I think the failure this season didn't make them too disappointed. The management has run the football business well.
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If Dortmund's ownership changes or Dortmund gets a better sponsor. Then maybe they will form a strong squad. and will compete with Munich for the title.
I've never read the history of them buying big players. Dortmund has always been a maker of new great players. So Dortmund are not likely to buy great players, they always buy big potential players. So it seems that changing the traditions that are already running makes them uncomfortable. Dortmund's orientation is business, I think the failure this season didn't make them too disappointed. The management has run the football business well.

Yes and for example it is the same for Leipzig also. They are also not a financially broke team but they don't still go for top players. Normally they can convince many solid big players into joining themselves as they are in the Champions League like every season these days. Strengthening the squad like that would help them fight for bigger achievements.

But they are no different than Dortmund. They just want to put simpler targets in front of themselves and work for making them happen. As long as they can keep their financial condition stable there shouldn't be any problem for these teams.

But I'm still disappointed with Dortmund's not being able to deal a final blow this season to Bayern Munich and end their title series.  Undecided

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June 21, 2023, 08:57:17 PM
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If Dortmund's ownership changes or Dortmund gets a better sponsor. Then maybe they will form a strong squad. and will compete with Munich for the title.
I am not convinced the board of directors and the players are prepared to compete with everything they have against Bayern Munich. They're generating huge profits from the market by selling promising players to elite teams, and what strikes me is that they're still outperforming everyone else. Borrusia Dortmund will only win the Bundesliga if they learn to keep their talented players without triggering a sell clause. I understand that every club needs income to produce and establish their club, but not at the expense of their success; selling and accomplishing second-place results means nothing.


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June 21, 2023, 09:24:03 PM
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Borrusia Dortmund has good qualities and is capable of matching Bayern Munich's strength in a competitive campaign for the trophy. I understand that the club is making great revenues through the sales of their important star players, but they are also working hard for other clubs. The team is balanced enough, but I believe they squandered their opportunity to win the Bundesliga title this season, with poor performances at the end when they urgently needed a win. When will the moment come for Bundesliga teams to turn the clock back with Bayern Munich's ultimate dominance?
The departure of some important players destabilized the club. Seeing how bad the performance of dortmund in the last match against mainz makes me think if dortmund will perform even badly next season.
Bellingham leave. It's also selling its important defender to the bayern. Dortmund was not making a great income from selling the players, clubs were also having a lot of expenses.
It can be seen from the financial report of dortmund during the previous season. Even though dortmund was making some huge transfers, but team was not getting huge profits.

Don't you realize that in every transfer window at the start of the season, Dortmund always sells its star players, but the fact is that Dortmund can always be Bayern Munich's toughest competitor in the Bundesliga. With that said, the departure of a key Dortmund player whether it's financially beneficial or not, I think it's still profitable for Dortmund because they've always done that. But one thing we have to remember is how much Dortmund has sold its key players, but Dortmund will also be able to compete in the race for the Bundesliga title.

This strategy of Borussia Dortmund means to me that they are not aiming for the Bundesliga championship. If they really wanted to be champions, they wouldn't have sold the young and world star candidates who are in the top 11 every year. The most recent example of this was Jude Bellingham. He was also an important name in the main squad, although Dortmund sold him.

I'm wondering how Dortmund is going to perform in the Bundesliga and this time just like the last two seasons we saw from Dortmund I'm waiting to see another young talent growing up in this team like they had Haalnd and Jude Bellingham before and they sold both.
Maybe this time Dortmund will sell another young talent to mean more just like what they did in the past.

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June 21, 2023, 09:38:30 PM
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I'm wondering how Dortmund is going to perform in the Bundesliga and this time just like the last two seasons we saw from Dortmund I'm waiting to see another young talent growing up in this team like they had Haalnd and Jude Bellingham before and they sold both.
Maybe this time Dortmund will sell another young talent to mean more just like what they did in the past.


What they have done in the last season is about what they did in the seasons before as well. i mean the overall result. But when their goal is to finally overturn Bayern's dominance in the Bundesliga, the result has to be much better this time and I say much better because I don't believe that Bayern will underdeliver again like they did last season. Often times when Bayern got into danger or their titles got into danger, the response was that they became much better afterwards. And it would be nothing but a surprise if they have the same chaos again. Therefore, if Dortmund wants the top of the table, there can't be any excuses in any of the games that are a must win game on paper. They have to meet the expectations then.

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June 21, 2023, 09:47:05 PM
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This strategy of Borussia Dortmund means to me that they are not aiming for the Bundesliga championship. If they really wanted to be champions, they wouldn't have sold the young and world star candidates who are in the top 11 every year. The most recent example of this was Jude Bellingham. He was also an important name in the main squad, although Dortmund sold him.
Maybe they think differently and have other strategies to get other talented players. But it's really a shame if they lose good players and their potential. But on the other hand, what if they target other players and need more money?

I don't think if they don't want the Bundesliga title, they always want it, but indeed sometimes they need more efforts for that, especially when their current rival is Bayern. Even though last season they almost got the title but lost a golden opportunity. Now this season, I'm also still doubtful because they still haven't found or there are signs of getting other key players who can really strengthen the squad.

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June 21, 2023, 10:41:24 PM
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I'm wondering how Dortmund is going to perform in the Bundesliga and this time just like the last two seasons we saw from Dortmund I'm waiting to see another young talent growing up in this team like they had Haalnd and Jude Bellingham before and they sold both.
Maybe this time Dortmund will sell another young talent to mean more just like what they did in the past.


What they have done in the last season is about what they did in the seasons before as well. i mean the overall result. But when their goal is to finally overturn Bayern's dominance in the Bundesliga, the result has to be much better this time and I say much better because I don't believe that Bayern will underdeliver again like they did last season. Often times when Bayern got into danger or their titles got into danger, the response was that they became much better afterwards. And it would be nothing but a surprise if they have the same chaos again. Therefore, if Dortmund wants the top of the table, there can't be any excuses in any of the games that are a must win game on paper. They have to meet the expectations then.

That's their business and how they earn money for their team. Maybe their first goal is to earn money and just be on top of the table to get the champions league ticket.
Been more than ten years since we didn't see Dortmund win the Bundesliga title and from what we can see they are not even trying hard for it.

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June 21, 2023, 10:49:36 PM
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Borrusia Dortmund has good qualities and is capable of matching Bayern Munich's strength in a competitive campaign for the trophy. I understand that the club is making great revenues through the sales of their important star players, but they are also working hard for other clubs. The team is balanced enough, but I believe they squandered their opportunity to win the Bundesliga title this season, with poor performances at the end when they urgently needed a win. When will the moment come for Bundesliga teams to turn the clock back with Bayern Munich's ultimate dominance?
The departure of some important players destabilized the club. Seeing how bad the performance of dortmund in the last match against mainz makes me think if dortmund will perform even badly next season.
Bellingham leave. It's also selling its important defender to the bayern. Dortmund was not making a great income from selling the players, clubs were also having a lot of expenses.
It can be seen from the financial report of dortmund during the previous season. Even though dortmund was making some huge transfers, but team was not getting huge profits.

Don't you realize that in every transfer window at the start of the season, Dortmund always sells its star players, but the fact is that Dortmund can always be Bayern Munich's toughest competitor in the Bundesliga. With that said, the departure of a key Dortmund player whether it's financially beneficial or not, I think it's still profitable for Dortmund because they've always done that. But one thing we have to remember is how much Dortmund has sold its key players, but Dortmund will also be able to compete in the race for the Bundesliga title.
Economically speaking, the transfer policy and style of Borussia Dortmund has been very profitable to the club's management and that I think has been the reason why they've been repeatedly selling their best players during the transfer windows.
However, I think it's high time they begin to allow their best player to remain at the club for a longer time and help the club win major football trophies. Bayern Munich's dominance in the German Bundesliga is as a result Dortmund's transfer policy

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June 21, 2023, 11:09:23 PM
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I think Xabi Alonso is one of the few successful coaches who became a coach after becoming a football player. If we count Xavi, who also gave Barça a new tactical advantage, this is a success that has been less in recent years. I look at the extension of the contract by Bayer Leverkusen with certainty. I expect them to have great success this year as well.
Xabi was successful coach for leverkusen to help it leave from relegation zone. it's different personal. Xabi was able changing leverkusen so much. It's not only from the descipline of players, increasing the ball possessions owner by the club through implementing tiki taka to the leverkusen and many more.
I think that if leverkusen gonna be one if strong contender to win the league like bayern or dortmund. As far as i know that if this is also making xabi is also making the club to be even more careful with its defending strategy.
Xabi may have bette squad this year compared with last year. As you can see that xabi already signed during the middle of season and he has no choice to make some transfers caused by the transfer season already closed.

The fact that if xabi may potentially push its club to be able compete in the top place against bayern and dortmund next season.

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June 22, 2023, 02:51:24 AM
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Maybe a new coach will be free agent and on the market soon.

Some people in Germany voice their opinion against German national coach Hansi Flick and it's getting louder every day.
After the recent terrible games of the national team some German football personalities are openly discussing if Flick should be sacked even before the Euro, that would be something.

They way they play and his ignorance to listen to players and analysts to change the tactical lineup to 4 defenders I think latest after the Euro he will be gone. They will achieve nothing at the Euro anyway.

SO what's next for him? Maybe Tuchel won't deliver again at Bayern (let's be honest, he just got super lucky) and then they might try getting Flick back. He was super successful with them and one of the reasons he lest was his bad relationship with Hasan Salihamidžić. Now that Hasan is gone, maybe that opens the door.

I know it's a lot of speculation but I think this might actually happen within the next 12 months or so.

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