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[casperBGD]

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So it will be Kyrgios vs Murray next on semifinals. For sentimental reasons, I might go and put a medium bet on Murray to win against Nick.

be aware that Kyrgios is playing really good tennis at the moment
nevertheless, I would like to see Murray progressing long on Wimbledon, for the sake of good old times, and he needs wins like this for self-confidence

interesting to see both of the being 60+ on ATP list

Berrettini is also in semi-final, and could progress easy to finals, odds for a win are not big, but straight set can come as well

[Jating]

I think the +4.5 is a safe bet for Murray, but the odds are not that very attractive. But if it's a sure win, then why not?

Hope some of you cashed in on that my prediction. Handicap passed super easy and even ML was not really in doubt at any point. I love beginnings of grass season, so many opportunities to play against people not used to that surface.

There will be shitload of players who don't know how to stand on grass in Wimbledon qualification and first rounds. Gotta hone my skills before that.

Yeah, that was a good tip mate, love how Andy manages this game against Tsitsipas.

Nick might be different though, I think this is going to be another close one. I will take Murray +1.5, maybe he could steal 1 set but eventually Nick might be too much for him.

Berrettini winning the first set against Otte 7-6, and it's on the second set, 5-5 Mateo serving with 40-15 lead.

[Daniel91]

I think the +4.5 is a safe bet for Murray, but the odds are not that very attractive. But if it's a sure win, then why not?

Hope some of you cashed in on that my prediction. Handicap passed super easy and even ML was not really in doubt at any point. I love beginnings of grass season, so many opportunities to play against people not used to that surface.

There will be shitload of players who don't know how to stand on grass in Wimbledon qualification and first rounds. Gotta hone my skills before that.

Yeah, that was a good tip mate, love how Andy manages this game against Tsitsipas.

Nick might be different though, I think this is going to be another close one. I will take Murray +1.5, maybe he could steal 1 set but eventually Nick might be too much for him.

Berrettini winning the first set against Otte 7-6, and it's on the second set, 5-5 Mateo serving with 40-15 lead.

This seems to be Andy Murray’s first win against any top tennis player in the last 6 years, according to this article:
https://www.bbc.com/sport/tennis/61761802

This is a really long time and I believe that no one believed in Andy anymore, and maybe even he didn't believe in his return anymore.
The question of all questions is whether this is an indication of Andy Murray’s big comeback or just one random win that won’t change anything substantially. What do you think?
For me, Andy Murray has always been one of my favorite tennis players and I am really happy that he has not given up on his tennis career and that he still has faith in himself and fights.
Congratulation Andy, fantastic match and great victory!

[bitbollo]

This seems to be Andy Murray’s first win against any top tennis player in the last 6 years, according to this article:
https://www.bbc.com/sport/tennis/61761802

This is a really long time and I believe that no one believed in Andy anymore, and maybe even he didn't believe in his return anymore.
The question of all questions is whether this is an indication of Andy Murray’s big comeback or just one random win that won’t change anything substantially. What do you think?
For me, Andy Murray has always been one of my favorite tennis players and I am really happy that he has not given up on his tennis career and that he still has faith in himself and fights.
Congratulation Andy, fantastic match and great victory!

Murray is a strong player and we know very well... and there is not much to say against this argument.
After is injury he is trying to come back at his "original" level (he has been the ATP number one for several weeks) but meanwhile he has also loss some "easy" matches.
I think that everything is possible, but it's a big risks, and there are other players, maybe younger in a good fit that could easily get a important results.

[casperBGD]

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Murray is a strong player and we know very well... and there is not much to say against this argument.
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but, he has a titanium hip
nevertheless, great victory over Kyrgios, and he sets stage for a final with Berrettini, which is a last year finalist at Wimbledon

is this setting a stage for a good result for Murray at Wimbledon, will be nice to see him in second week

Medvedev is also reaching final in Hertogenbosch, where FAA lost in semi-final, and local player Rijthoven, that is 200+ on ATP is his rival in final

[MonsterV]

I watched the matches of the tournament in Rosmalen today. Fun but also special competitions. Medvedev quickly got ahead of a break and seemed to easily win the set 4-2. Still it was 5-5 but then he continued. He now plays against Van Rijthoven, a talent from the Netherlands who is 200th in the world ranking. You would say that he will easily win, but van Rijthoven has already beaten a few world top players. And has the support of the home crowd.

[bitbollo]

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Murray is a strong player and we know very well... and there is not much to say against this argument.
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but, he has a titanium hip
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yes and this is the main reason each time I am scared to place a bet on him...more over if he plays against young player/player in a good form. but anyway, after this hip injury he is back at a top level again, despite also the age (he is 35 years old).

[babygun]

Murray is a strong player and we know very well... and there is not much to say against this argument.
After is injury he is trying to come back at his "original" level (he has been the ATP number one for several weeks) but meanwhile he has also loss some "easy" matches.
I think that everything is possible, but it's a big risks, and there are other players, maybe younger in a good fit that could easily get a important results.

It would be nice if Murray could win this tournament as he had several good wins this week (against Tsitsipas and Kyrgios) but to return to his old level and winning grand slams, is not really possible anymore I think.
@Trofo, you have had several good picks this week, what would be your bet for the final of Murray vs Berrettini?

[Trofo]

@Trofo, you have had several good picks this week, what would be your bet for the final of Murray vs Berrettini?

Did not see the lines yet but I hope they will put Berettini as favorite. I would take Murray +4.5 for sure, even +3.5 sounds ok, +2.5 is the last one I would take. That means that Berettini can win 7:6 7:6 and our bet still passes. Berettini has a great serve and it will not be easy to break him on grass but Murray is playing good and he should keep his serves throughout the match as well.

I am a bit concerned about Murray recovery. Anybody watched him today? If he did not show signs of fatigue above should pass easy.

[Kemarit]

@Trofo, you have had several good picks this week, what would be your bet for the final of Murray vs Berrettini?

Did not see the lines yet but I hope they will put Berettini as favorite. I would take Murray +4.5 for sure, even +3.5 sounds ok, +2.5 is the last one I would take. That means that Berettini can win 7:6 7:6 and our bet still passes. Berettini has a great serve and it will not be easy to break him on grass but Murray is playing good and he should keep his serves throughout the match as well.

I am a bit concerned about Murray recovery. Anybody watched him today? If he did not show signs of fatigue above should pass easy.

Odds are almost the same, LOL, so it's 50/50 currently, around 1.90

I don't think that Murray is fatigue, he should be ready in the finals against Berrettini. The former number 1 will have to continue to play very hard if he wanted to win this grass court tournament.

Current line is +/-1.5. I'll go probably with the +1.5 for Andy Murray.

[Cnut237]

I am accepting your argument that he has difficulty recovering between matches but not your conclusion. Grand Slams are special in a way that you get a day of rest in between matches. Shouldn't that work marvelously for him?

The day off between matches will work in his favour, but the fact that slams are best of five sets will work against him.
I'd suggest that if he wins a dramatic and lengthy five-set match against a tough seed on say a Wednesday, the chances of him being fully recovered and ready to repeat again in the next round by the Friday are very low. And the chances of him winning seven best-of-five-set matches in two weeks, which is what it takes to win a slam, is extremely low. IMHO the only way he could win Wimbledon is if every match is easy and he wins them all quickly... but this doesn't seem that likely. There are some tough grass players out there, and it's difficult to break serve on grass, which can make matches longer.

I should add that I'm from the UK, and desperately want Murray to win... but can't see it happening.

You got a point there but it doesn't make me change my strategy of forcing him at this moment. We have a privilege of seeing how his previous matches went before betting on next one. If he has two 5 setters in a row I am skipping him for next match 100%.

I still think that one day of rest means more than possibility of 5 sets. Especially if he manages to keep matches short.

Then I think we pretty much agree. A fresh Murray on grass and in current form is likely to win against most players... but the longer he goes and the longer and tougher the matches get, the more of a challenge he has to recover.
I suppose the big question for betting is what happens if he wins Stuttgart? Presumably the odds on him winning a match at Wimbledon will become less favourable. And this might be the case already, just with him beating Tsitsipas and reaching the final.

[aoluain]

I think the +4.5 is a safe bet for Murray, but the odds are not that very attractive. But if it's a sure win, then why not?

Hope some of you cashed in on that my prediction. Handicap passed super easy and even ML was not really in doubt at any point. I love beginnings of grass season, so many opportunities to play against people not used to that surface.

There will be shitload of players who don't know how to stand on grass in Wimbledon qualification and first rounds. Gotta hone my skills before that.

Yeah, that was a good tip mate, love how Andy manages this game against Tsitsipas.

Nick might be different though, I think this is going to be another close one. I will take Murray +1.5, maybe he could steal 1 set but eventually Nick might be too much for him.

Berrettini winning the first set against Otte 7-6, and it's on the second set, 5-5 Mateo serving with 40-15 lead.

No I didnt take it Trofo, the odds were 1.25, I went with Medvedev @ 1.20. I did however
do ML on Andy against Kyrgios @ 2.21 thinking Andy has the firepower to trouble anyone
and if things start going wrong for Nick its game over for him.

I am accepting your argument that he has difficulty recovering between matches but not your conclusion. Grand Slams are special in a way that you get a day of rest in between matches. Shouldn't that work marvelously for him?

The day off between matches will work in his favour, but the fact that slams are best of five sets will work against him.
I'd suggest that if he wins a dramatic and lengthy five-set match against a tough seed on say a Wednesday, the chances of him being fully recovered and ready to repeat again in the next round by the Friday are very low. And the chances of him winning seven best-of-five-set matches in two weeks, which is what it takes to win a slam, is extremely low. IMHO the only way he could win Wimbledon is if every match is easy and he wins them all quickly... but this doesn't seem that likely. There are some tough grass players out there, and it's difficult to break serve on grass, which can make matches longer.

I should add that I'm from the UK, and desperately want Murray to win... but can't see it happening.

You got a point there but it doesn't make me change my strategy of forcing him at this moment. We have a privilege of seeing how his previous matches went before betting on next one. If he has two 5 setters in a row I am skipping him for next match 100%.

I still think that one day of rest means more than possibility of 5 sets. Especially if he manages to keep matches short.

Then I think we pretty much agree. A fresh Murray on grass and in current form is likely to win against most players... but the longer he goes and the longer and tougher the matches get, the more of a challenge he has to recover.
I suppose the big question for betting is what happens if he wins Stuttgart? Presumably the odds on him winning a match at Wimbledon will become less favourable. And this might be the case already, just with him beating Tsitsipas and reaching the final.

Good point Cnut237, while we all like our favourite players winning it doesnt help with the
odds going forward.

The match against Berrettini today is massive for both but more so for Murray IMO, a win
today will be confirmation that he can still compete, continue playing and sets new
targets.

Just looked at the odds there on Rollbit, Murray 1.90 - 1.91 Berrettini. -3.5 @ 3.8 looks
very appealing on Andy but that means at least 1 tie break in a 2 set match or 3 tie breaks.

[casperBGD]

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Just looked at the odds there on Rollbit, Murray 1.90 - 1.91 Berrettini. -3.5 @ 3.8 looks
very appealing on Andy but that means at least 1 tie break in a 2 set match or 3 tie breaks.

it is starting in few minutes, I will wait for a few gems, and try to put Murray to win above @2, if there is a chance, and he looks solid
Medevedev is also starting at the moment, and there I am playing handicap on Rijthoven, should be a Medevedev win, but hardly with two breaks and better than 6:3, 6:3, he is playing next week as well

[Daniel91]

This seems to be Andy Murray’s first win against any top tennis player in the last 6 years, according to this article:
https://www.bbc.com/sport/tennis/61761802

This is a really long time and I believe that no one believed in Andy anymore, and maybe even he didn't believe in his return anymore.
The question of all questions is whether this is an indication of Andy Murray’s big comeback or just one random win that won’t change anything substantially. What do you think?
For me, Andy Murray has always been one of my favorite tennis players and I am really happy that he has not given up on his tennis career and that he still has faith in himself and fights.
Congratulation Andy, fantastic match and great victory!

Murray is a strong player and we know very well... and there is not much to say against this argument.
After is injury he is trying to come back at his "original" level (he has been the ATP number one for several weeks) but meanwhile he has also loss some "easy" matches.
I think that everything is possible, but it's a big risks, and there are other players, maybe younger in a good fit that could easily get a important results.

''Britain's Andy Murray reached his first tour-level final on grass in six years as he beat Nick Kyrgios in straight sets at the Boss Open in Stuttgart.''
"It has been a long time since the last final [on grass]," said Murray.''
'A lot of ups and downs, but I kept going and kept working and finally managed to get to another one. I am proud of the effort I have put in."

Source: https://www.bbc.com/sport/tennis/61740030

After these statements to the media, I appreciate Murray even more and support him in the final, to finally win one big tennis tournament, after 6 years, and return to the top of tennis.
At one time, Murray was considered part of the big four of world tennis, along with Federer, Nadal and Djokovic, but unfortunately frequent injuries ruined his great tennis career.
Murray, however, really shows great will and perseverance, he does not give up on tennis and he should be congratulated on that.
Andy, good luck today 
Matteo Berrettini will be a very difficult opponent but he is not without chances.

[aoluain]

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Just looked at the odds there on Rollbit, Murray 1.90 - 1.91 Berrettini. -3.5 @ 3.8 looks
very appealing on Andy but that means at least 1 tie break in a 2 set match or 3 tie breaks.

it is starting in few minutes, I will wait for a few gems, and try to put Murray to win above @2, if there is a chance, and he looks solid
Medevedev is also starting at the moment, and there I am playing handicap on Rijthoven, should be a Medevedev win, but hardly with two breaks and better than 6:3, 6:3, he is playing next week as well

So Berrettini wins in 3 sets against Murray, well done to him especially coming back
from surgery and he will be pumped going into Queens.

Murray can be proud of himself though to get to a final after all he has been through
and the fight he has to get back competing in finals.


The shock of the day has to go to Medvedev being beaten in sHertogenbosch by a van Rijthoven
the qualifier, 6-4, 6-1 <--- that is some scoreboard against the world #2 1 soon to be.

Well done casperBGD on your handicap bet!

[Ratash]

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Just looked at the odds there on Rollbit, Murray 1.90 - 1.91 Berrettini. -3.5 @ 3.8 looks
very appealing on Andy but that means at least 1 tie break in a 2 set match or 3 tie breaks.

it is starting in few minutes, I will wait for a few gems, and try to put Murray to win above @2, if there is a chance, and he looks solid
Medevedev is also starting at the moment, and there I am playing handicap on Rijthoven, should be a Medevedev win, but hardly with two breaks and better than 6:3, 6:3, he is playing next week as well

So Berrettini wins in 3 sets against Murray, well done to him especially coming back
from surgery and he will be pumped going into Queens.

Murray can be proud of himself though to get to a final after all he has been through
and the fight he has to get back competing in finals.


The shock of the day has to go to Medvedev being beaten in sHertogenbosch by a van Rijthoven
the qualifier, 6-4, 6-1 <--- that is some scoreboard against the world #2 1 soon to be.

Well done casperBGD on your handicap bet!

Murray loss in my opinion is an upset for him i did not know about berretini surgery to be honest but i've seen murray perform well in this tournament so i thought he would beat berretini but it didn't happen i think murray is done for i don't think he will win major trophies in the future as for medvedev we all know he don't play well in grass but to lose 2 0 and with such a poor performance against van Rithoven who is ranked 205 is a big shock with the recent performance of medvedev i don't think he deserve to be on the number one spot.

[bitbollo]

Murray is a strong player and we know very well... and there is not much to say against this argument.
After is injury he is trying to come back at his "original" level (he has been the ATP number one for several weeks) but meanwhile he has also loss some "easy" matches.
I think that everything is possible, but it's a big risks, and there are other players, maybe younger in a good fit that could easily get a important results.

It would be nice if Murray could win this tournament as he had several good wins this week (against Tsitsipas and Kyrgios) but to return to his old level and winning grand slams, is not really possible anymore I think.
@Trofo, you have had several good picks this week, what would be your bet for the final of Murray vs Berrettini?

No absolutely, he is no longer able to win a grand slam, but not so much (or only) due to his lack but maybe because he has to face opponents who are much younger, in shape, and even greedy than him!
Today he was able to stand up to Berrettini, and play even the third set.
but he had to give up against a player who until last year was able to reach the Wimbledon final (may sound like a consolation)!

[babygun]

So Berrettini wins in 3 sets against Murray, well done to him especially coming back
from surgery and he will be pumped going into Queens.

Murray can be proud of himself though to get to a final after all he has been through
and the fight he has to get back competing in finals.


The shock of the day has to go to Medvedev being beaten in sHertogenbosch by a van Rijthoven
the qualifier, 6-4, 6-1 <--- that is some scoreboard against the world #2 1 soon to be.

Well done casperBGD on your handicap bet!

Too bad that Murray lost, I think a lot of people wouldn't have mind that Murray would have won another title after all his injuries. It will be interesting to see how far he can get on Wimbledon.

That loss of Medvedev was indeed quite a big schock. I read in an article that van Rijthoven hasn't won any ATP match before this tournament so beating Medvedev is a huge accomplishment!

[casperBGD]

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Too bad that Murray lost, I think a lot of people wouldn't have mind that Murray would have won another title after all his injuries. It will be interesting to see how far he can get on Wimbledon.

I do not think that he can do much
not because of his play, but stamina is questionable

he needs all three set wins to keep him fresh for second week, and he will probably lose sets here and there, and it will be hard to recuperate after those, not just hip, years are bothering him as well, but he is also missing whole tournament weeks, since this is his first final after a while, not sure if he is playing next week, but smelling easy pass-out if he plays

[Trofo]

That loss of Medvedev was indeed quite a big schock. I read in an article that van Rijthoven hasn't won any ATP match before this tournament so beating Medvedev is a huge accomplishment!

I watched parts of that match and if Rijtoven played really well while Medvedev was far from his best as he was the whole tournament. If Medvedev continues like this there will be plenty of opportunity to play against him. I don't see how he can cover any handicap with play like this.

I am looking forward to see how Cilic and Djokovic look on grass this season. So far none of top players impressed me. Beettini also looked vulnerable this week even though he won the tournament.