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[Trofo]

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Yes I think so too. Maybe the top 6 players could eventually be quite close and
players performing better on one surface more than others, it will just remain to be seen.

In terms of a sport being dominated by a very minority group of players I can give
the example in my own case of Forumla 1 and Michael Schumacher, it was great at
the start but a few seasons in and he is winning everything I switched off
and lost interest, there was no competition.

You can't really compare F1 with tennis. That Schumacher titles were influenced big time by the best car he drove and team strategy where he was first driver. Tennis is just about player himself and that is why mental component is so important, you are alone on the pitch and have nobody to cover for you if you have bad day. That is where Djoković and Nadal made their success, they are just so consistent and will find ways to win even when it isn't their best day.

[Joca97]

nevertheless, without him and Zverev, odds are going down on Medvedev and Nadal to win the tournament

I bet more for Medvedev to win the US Open again.
This is the draw for Daniil Medvedev in US Open https://www.atptour.com/en/scores/current/us-open/560/player-draw?playerId=MM58
If it goes well then in the semifinals Medevedev most likely face Tsitsipas, rivalry continues from both player

I dont think that Medvedev will win the US Open even with him being the main favorite. He isnt on that level as he used to be so i think he will be knocked out by the quarter finals. Kyrgios for me might surprise if he wants to play and not joke around

[KennyR]

nevertheless, without him and Zverev, odds are going down on Medvedev and Nadal to win the tournament

I bet more for Medvedev to win the US Open again.
This is the draw for Daniil Medvedev in US Open https://www.atptour.com/en/scores/current/us-open/560/player-draw?playerId=MM58
If it goes well then in the semifinals Medevedev most likely face Tsitsipas, rivalry continues from both player

I dont think that Medvedev will win the US Open even with him being the main favorite. He isnt on that level as he used to be so i think he will be knocked out by the quarter finals. Kyrgios for me might surprise if he wants to play and not joke around

Nadal and Medvedev were considered the favourites in the absence of Djokovic for this season of US Open. Apart from these two, more players were considered to be rising. In such calculation we can have Kyrgios on the list. For now my choice is Nadal. Lets wait for the final outcome. In between according to the situation choices can vary.

[Daniel91]

nevertheless, without him and Zverev, odds are going down on Medvedev and Nadal to win the tournament

I bet more for Medvedev to win the US Open again.
This is the draw for Daniil Medvedev in US Open https://www.atptour.com/en/scores/current/us-open/560/player-draw?playerId=MM58
If it goes well then in the semifinals Medevedev most likely face Tsitsipas, rivalry continues from both player

I dont think that Medvedev will win the US Open even with him being the main favorite. He isnt on that level as he used to be so i think he will be knocked out by the quarter finals. Kyrgios for me might surprise if he wants to play and not joke around

I think that Medvedev is very talented and a good tennis player, but mentally he is still not at the level of Djokovic and Nadal.
The same goes for Kyrgios. Amazing tennis talent but he ruined because of his character and insufficient dedication to tennis.
Since Djokovic is not there, the clear favorite is Nadal again and he now has the opportunity to separate himself from Djokovic and Federer on the eternal list of GS winners and become unattainable to everyone, the greatest tennis player of all time.
As for other young tennis hopefuls, it seems to me that Coric could surprise at this tournament and achieve a good result.

[Ratash]

Winston salem tournament is at its final stage and the 250 points offered can improve both finalists rankings it seems that mannarino is the favourite against laslo djere i think i would agree he had somewhat easier games than his opponent and he lost only one set the entire tournament i think a 1.5 odd is quite good for the takers.

[fullhdpixel]

I think that Medvedev is very talented and a good tennis player, but mentally he is still not at the level of Djokovic and Nadal.
The same goes for Kyrgios. Amazing tennis talent but he ruined because of his character and insufficient dedication to tennis.
Since Djokovic is not there, the clear favorite is Nadal again and he now has the opportunity to separate himself from Djokovic and Federer on the eternal list of GS winners and become unattainable to everyone, the greatest tennis player of all time.
As for other young tennis hopefuls, it seems to me that Coric could surprise at this tournament and achieve a good result.

I agree with your point as I am also feeling Medvedev is one of the best player in current generation players, and he can improve in next few years with good experience and no doubt he could be stayed at top for long time like we have three giants in last two decades Kyrgios is also one of the best but due to his behavior we can't go with him for staying at op as he is having some mental issue and need to settle this before having any better results at top level.

Medvedev is surely going to be tough for Nadal which is clearly favorite in this event after Djokovic is not coming due to health issues and Federer is also now out of game for quite long time so good time for him to do his best.

Coric could be a surprise package as he won last event and have good form but still he is unpredictable, hopefully he will improve his game and try to stay here as long as he can.

[Joca97]

Winston salem tournament is at its final stage and the 250 points offered can improve both finalists rankings it seems that mannarino is the favourite against laslo djere i think i would agree he had somewhat easier games than his opponent and he lost only one set the entire tournament i think a 1.5 odd is quite good for the takers.

Djere played an amazing tournament and if im not mistaken this is his first final on hard court. He maybe tired from all the 3 sets matches that he played. But i think he can still win this tournament or at least a set against Mannarino. Mannarino isnt anything special that cannot be overcomed

[jostorres]

Winston salem tournament is at its final stage and the 250 points offered can improve both finalists rankings it seems that mannarino is the favourite against laslo djere i think i would agree he had somewhat easier games than his opponent and he lost only one set the entire tournament i think a 1.5 odd is quite good for the takers.

Djere played an amazing tournament and if im not mistaken this is his first final on hard court. He maybe tired from all the 3 sets matches that he played. But i think he can still win this tournament or at least a set against Mannarino. Mannarino isnt anything special that cannot be overcomed

Hot favorite Mannarino win this final even lost his service in first set but fight back and then won first set in tiebreaker which was good for him, he completely outclasses Djere by score of 7 - 1 and after winning first set he never allows him to give any resistance in second set which he won by score of 6 - 4.

Djere also done good job but fail to keep momentum and lost final in good way on hard court, both players have good record but Mannarino was good enough to not allow his opponent for any challenge.

Now, we are heading for US Open which is going to start on 29 August with Djokovic is not allowed due to Covid-19 restrictions.

[Jating]

I think that Medvedev is very talented and a good tennis player, but mentally he is still not at the level of Djokovic and Nadal.
The same goes for Kyrgios. Amazing tennis talent but he ruined because of his character and insufficient dedication to tennis.
Since Djokovic is not there, the clear favorite is Nadal again and he now has the opportunity to separate himself from Djokovic and Federer on the eternal list of GS winners and become unattainable to everyone, the greatest tennis player of all time.
As for other young tennis hopefuls, it seems to me that Coric could surprise at this tournament and achieve a good result.

I agree with your point as I am also feeling Medvedev is one of the best player in current generation players, and he can improve in next few years with good experience and no doubt he could be stayed at top for long time like we have three giants in last two decades Kyrgios is also one of the best but due to his behavior we can't go with him for staying at op as he is having some mental issue and need to settle this before having any better results at top level.

Medvedev is surely going to be tough for Nadal which is clearly favorite in this event after Djokovic is not coming due to health issues and Federer is also now out of game for quite long time so good time for him to do his best.

Coric could be a surprise package as he won last event and have good form but still he is unpredictable, hopefully he will improve his game and try to stay here as long as he can.

We also have Alcaraz in the back ground and really improving every tournament and then also Sinner should be also in the discussion in the US Open.

So there are a lot of names specially that this is a Grand Slam and everyone are going to put their best effort to go to the finals and give themselves a chance to win because Djokovic is not entered.

So it's Medvedev, Nadal, Alcaraz, "crowd favorite" Nick, Tsitsi and then Jannik Sinner as early favorites.

[LittleBitFunny]

Winston salem tournament is at its final stage and the 250 points offered can improve both finalists rankings it seems that mannarino is the favourite against laslo djere i think i would agree he had somewhat easier games than his opponent and he lost only one set the entire tournament i think a 1.5 odd is quite good for the takers.

Djere played an amazing tournament and if im not mistaken this is his first final on hard court. He maybe tired from all the 3 sets matches that he played. But i think he can still win this tournament or at least a set against Mannarino. Mannarino isnt anything special that cannot be overcomed

Hot favorite Mannarino win this final even lost his service in first set but fight back and then won first set in tiebreaker which was good for him, he completely outclasses Djere by score of 7 - 1 and after winning first set he never allows him to give any resistance in second set which he won by score of 6 - 4.
Djere also done good job but fail to keep momentum and lost final in good way on hard court, both players have good record but Mannarino was good enough to not allow his opponent for any challenge.
Now, we are heading for US Open which is going to start on 29 August with Djokovic is not allowed due to Covid-19 restrictions.

I have to admit that Đjere started well in that match, but the defense of the Frenchman Mannarino was just unbelievable, making that win possible. It seemed at first that Đjere had a very high chance of coming out on top of that match, and it looked as though he had an excellent chance of doing so. But in the end, it really felt like Mannarino was outclassing his opponent. The defense of Mannarino was rock-solid. It felt as if he is baited his opponent in order to make mistakes.

Djokovic not being able to play in the US Open is obviously going to be a bummer. As he is one of the best in the world and also very fun to watch.

[mv1986]

I would say that whether or not Nick changes something fully depends on the outcome of this potential lawsuit. If it costs him like 10k or 20k USD, he probably doesn't care.
But if this turns out to be a serious punch in the face financially, I think he might change for the better because he HAS to! Otherwise he would be punished even harder for being a repeat offender.

Nichts problem, I believe, is that he thinks it is somehow popular and the people like to see him freaking out. Or he really has mental issues. Otherwise he is just throwing away a world class career for the wrong reasons. It was fun to watch him rant a couple of times, but by now it's boring to me. It's just so predictable and he freaks out all the time. It is not really entertaining to watch him.

I am also watching him for many years and mostly my feeling about him is he has really mental issues and just because of this mostly he has done things which we never expect from him now things could be changed for him because this case is surely going to have some impact on his form in US Open and if they will give him some serious punishment this can hurt him more but as we all know mostly these type cases settled out of court, so maybe we will have in this case as well because he can't afford things like this as his form is also good in last few weeks and doing much better than expectations.

Any big financial punch could be also can give him some better view about his future because he needs punishment like this for change of mentality in long run if he wants to play tennis for some more years.

A tennis player of his quality should have earned more than the roughly 12 million USD. He is going to play for the tenth year in professional tennis. When you have his talent and would manage to stay much stronger mentally, he would have earned a lot more than that by now. Zverev is quite similar to Kyrgios but he already earned 32.5 million USD. They both had their first professional season in 2013 and I think regarding their talent you could say that they are close to each other.

In head to head Kyrgios is even leading against Zverev, and yet he is so far behind in individual achievements on the tennis court.

[Slow death]

Djokovic not being able to play in the US Open is obviously going to be a bummer. As he is one of the best in the world and also very fun to watch.

he can be very talented, but if he can't respect the laws of the countries mainly on this issue related to the pandemic vs vaccine then I think he should think about giving up being some athlete, because it's not possible that the guy is not aware that needs to be vaccinated or this problem will not end so soon, covid will not end so soon, so vaccine will also be needed for many years, so what does he intend? that governments have amnesia and forget about being vaccinated? won't do that!


 - Carlos Alcaraz
 - Daniel Medvedev
 - Rafael Nadal
 - Casper Ruud
 - Stefanos Tsitsipas

who will be the best?

is even comical when you see the odds of a game between these favorites and other opponents. for example

Hijikata, Rinky - Nadal, Rafael

Hijikata = @11

Nothing = @1.01

I wonder who has the courage to bet on Hijikata?

[Trofo]

- Carlos Alcaraz
 - Daniel Medvedev
 - Rafael Nadal
 - Casper Ruud
 - Stefanos Tsitsipas

who will be the best?

is even comical when you see the odds of a game between these favorites and other opponents. for example

Hijikata, Rinky - Nadal, Rafael

Hijikata = @11

Nothing = @1.01

I wonder who has the courage to bet on Hijikata?

Don't even know who Hijkata is but I am betting against Nadal first time he has serious opponent against him. Maybe not ML but some crazy handicap like +10.5 for sure.

From those players you mentioned above I can see only Medvedev and Alcaraz fighting it for the title. Tsitisipas can get far but will loose against any of the top players while I think Nadal is far from his best form, but if gets to final stages he is always dangerous. Ruud is not even worth mentioning, he has no chance for titles at top tournaments if it isn't played on clay.

[babygun]

Don't even know who Hijkata is but I am betting against Nadal first time he has serious opponent against him. Maybe not ML but some crazy handicap like +10.5 for sure.

From those players you mentioned above I can see only Medvedev and Alcaraz fighting it for the title. Tsitisipas can get far but will loose against any of the top players while I think Nadal is far from his best form, but if gets to final stages he is always dangerous. Ruud is not even worth mentioning, he has no chance for titles at top tournaments if it isn't played on clay.

Even if Nadal is far from his top form, he is always dangerous and I don't really like to bet against him. I can agree with Tsitsipas that he will far short but I am really curious to see how Kyrgios will do. Can be contender for the title if he really puts his mind to it.

[Rabi3]

Tomorrow Murray will be facing the Argentinian player Cerundolo, and the odds for Murray to win are pretty good, from what I have noticed, Cerundolo plays better on clay and hard court is not one of his expertise, so I think the odds of Murray to win are pretty good, 1.66 is not something  I would miss to put on a parlay.

[vennali]

Tomorrow Murray will be facing the Argentinian player Cerundolo, and the odds for Murray to win are pretty good, from what I have noticed, Cerundolo plays better on clay and hard court is not one of his expertise, so I think the odds of Murray to win are pretty good, 1.66 is not something  I would miss to put on a parlay.

Indeed, good odds on Murray. Cerundolo is really good on clay and keep the rally going on hard court. It will come down to match fitness, in the end. Is Murray fit enough to last potentially 5 sets? if the answer is yes, then I think he's got the quality to get past Cerundolo.

[aoluain]

^
Yes I think so too. Maybe the top 6 players could eventually be quite close and
players performing better on one surface more than others, it will just remain to be seen.

In terms of a sport being dominated by a very minority group of players I can give
the example in my own case of Forumla 1 and Michael Schumacher, it was great at
the start but a few seasons in and he is winning everything I switched off
and lost interest, there was no competition.

You can't really compare F1 with tennis. That Schumacher titles were influenced big time by the best car he drove and team strategy where he was first driver. Tennis is just about player himself and that is why mental component is so important, you are alone on the pitch and have nobody to cover for you if you have bad day. That is where Djoković and Nadal made their success, they are just so consistent and will find ways to win even when it isn't their best day.

Yes, I get it but I was only commenting from a spectators point of view and my experience
of watching pretty much the same result unfolding race after race, as a neutral I lost
interest.

A bigger number of tennis players with similar capabilities and are at the top of the game,
each competing for wins is far more interesting than 3!

Tomorrow Murray will be facing the Argentinian player Cerundolo, and the odds for Murray to win are pretty good, from what I have noticed, Cerundolo plays better on clay and hard court is not one of his expertise, so I think the odds of Murray to win are pretty good, 1.66 is not something  I would miss to put on a parlay.

Indeed, good odds on Murray. Cerundolo is really good on clay and keep the rally going on hard court. It will come down to match fitness, in the end. Is Murray fit enough to last potentially 5 sets? if the answer is yes, then I think he's got the quality to get past Cerundolo.

I agree that Cerundolo is a decent player but Murray's skill levels are still fairly sharp and
they have made the difference in matches for him when his fitness levels have started
to wane. There are good odds on him still alright.

[cryptofrka]

Don't even know who Hijkata is but I am betting against Nadal first time he has serious opponent against him. Maybe not ML but some crazy handicap like +10.5 for sure.

We have been waiting for Nadal's demise for years already, I won't be going against him. Whenever I think he's done, he pulls something out of the hat and wins a GS or something like that.

I still consider him among the top favorites - although it remains to be seen how his knees will hold up in 5-setters on hard.
When I browse through the seeded players, I just feel it will be either Nadal or Medvedev.

[Trofo]

Don't even know who Hijkata is but I am betting against Nadal first time he has serious opponent against him. Maybe not ML but some crazy handicap like +10.5 for sure.

We have been waiting for Nadal's demise for years already, I won't be going against him. Whenever I think he's done, he pulls something out of the hat and wins a GS or something like that.

I still consider him among the top favorites - although it remains to be seen how his knees will hold up in 5-setters on hard.
When I browse through the seeded players, I just feel it will be either Nadal or Medvedev.

I am not going against Nadal, I am just betting on him to start the tournament a bit slow and that he could have trouble covering 10.5 handicaps against solid players. He is missing match time and I feel like he will get better and better as the tournament progresses. Trying to cash out on the odd set I expect he will drop in the early stages.

Alcaraz is the only one that has the fire power and capacity to upset Medvedev and Nadal so I will keep a close eye on him.

First week of GS is all about handicaps on outsiders for me. Second week is when we get good matches and when I start raising the stakes and taking ML.

[jeremypwr]

The 4th and final Grand Slam tournament of the year getting underway in 20 mins