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[cryptofrka]

Tsitsipas is a very good clay player and nothing more. I never bet on him on other surfaces. Of course he has quality to get far on hard as well when he is in form but grass has never been good to him. Hell, he has 3 seasons where he did not win even a single match on grass and usually first round of Winbeldon gives really easy opponents to seeded players. Bet against him on grass whenever possible, works like a charm most of the time.

Agreed on Tsitsipas, his results on grass are mostly disastrous. He just lost easily to Murray who is still a decent player but can barely move and needed 3 sets to beat Benjamin Bonzi before losing to Kyrgios.
My plan will be to bet on the first decent player that will be paired against him.

Since July 2019 he has played 6 matches on grass in total, winning only against Bonzi and Stricker.

[buwaytress]

@Trofo smart and I've been getting big heartbreaks from my outrights losing in finals (I'm looking at you, Tsitsi) so now I think my next GS outright will only be for a final appearance. The problem for me was I never did that anyway until damned Sportsbet did those freebet specials (every win gets you freebet). Think Osaka and Djokovic were the first two and they both happened to win, so ended up with really fat wins PLUS the freebets.

@Cnut237 @cryptofrka  Tsitsi yeah, stay away from. I've been banking on him quite a bit but stepped off the pedal during the last few tourneys to get to grips and see him more. His higher seeding/ranking hasn't really affected odds previous though, at least -- Nadal outright odds were incredible though, shame they've now adjusted back.

[Daniel91]

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Looking forward to see Cilic play tonight. He has a though opponent and this match should do nicely to see how good he will be on grass this season.

are you following Cilic?
he was 5:0 down in tie-break, to win first set after all, than had clear situation in second set, to lose his serve on 4:3 with break, and Bublik is now again in match

had to put small bet on Bublik just for fun, @6 it has some value, especially if they enter tie-break in second set, than third is all open

I was watching parts of the match, but unfortunately only boring parts. They were both holding their serves quite easy in the games I followed and of course I missed all the drama and breaks of serve

Čilić struggling a bit in his first grass matches but winning them, which is most important. Bublik is a though opponent on grass, so win 2 sets is a good result even if it could have been a bit easier.

When Cilic plays, nothing is simple and easy 
Cilic can win even the toughest matches against top players, and the next day he will lose a match to a much weaker player.
If you’re a fan of his, you really need to have good nerves and a lot of patience 
Cilic won 1 GS, but if he had been mentally stronger and more stable, he could have achieved much more in tennis.

[bct_ail]

Kyrgios is back to his old self, playing one game perfectly with couple of very crowd pleasing shots and then arguing with that same crowd few games later and breaking the racquet.

Looking forward to see Cilic play tonight. He has a though opponent and this match should do nicely to see how good he will be on grass this season.

Well done to Kyrgios, I have stopped being overly interested in him
and wont bet on him. I didnt see the match but Tsitsipas is not
going well on Grass so far.

Yes, that was a good performance from Kyrgios. He will meet Carreño Busta in the quarter-finals. He also needed 3 sets, but played the second set completely without winning a point. A bit strange.
Today at 1500 Medvedev will play against Ivashka. This year it is not going well for Ivashka. Medvedev should win this match.

[Joca97]

Kyrgios is back to his old self, playing one game perfectly with couple of very crowd pleasing shots and then arguing with that same crowd few games later and breaking the racquet.

Looking forward to see Cilic play tonight. He has a though opponent and this match should do nicely to see how good he will be on grass this season.

Well done to Kyrgios, I have stopped being overly interested in him
and wont bet on him. I didnt see the match but Tsitsipas is not
going well on Grass so far.

Yes, that was a good performance from Kyrgios. He will meet Carreño Busta in the quarter-finals. He also needed 3 sets, but played the second set completely without winning a point. A bit strange.
Today at 1500 Medvedev will play against Ivashka. This year it is not going well for Ivashka. Medvedev should win this match.

When Kyrgios wants to play he can be the best player in the world. But when his mind goes black he will lose instantly and not care about anymore in the match. This happened in his last loss when he lost the first set and didnt care anymore for second against Murray

[Trofo]

Cilic won 1 GS, but if he had been mentally stronger and more stable, he could have achieved much more in tennis.

I also had that feeling in his matches often but when you look at it from outside he achieved incredible things. He won grand slam in era of Djoković, Nadal, Federer and Murray. Hell, there is just few players in whole world that managed to achieve that. He has at least semi-final on all grand slams which shows how versatile he is. I know I mentioned the whole big 4 but I feel that if he just did not have to contend with Djoković he would have won much more titles.

Today at 1500 Medvedev will play against Ivashka. This year it is not going well for Ivashka. Medvedev should win this match.

My bet is just the opposite. I would take Ivashka @6 every time against Medvedev in this form @1.15. I still believe Medvedev will win, but it will be though and my serious bets are on Ivashka +5.5 @1.6 and Ivashka to take a set @2.8

[casperBGD]

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Hell, there is just few players in whole world that managed to achieve that. He has at least semi-final on all grand slams which shows how versatile he is. I know I mentioned the whole big 4 but I feel that if he just did not have to contend with Djoković he would have won much more titles.

yeah, basically with top4, Cilic, Wawrinka and Del Porto were the ones that could win something

and Berdych, for example, was most of the time above them on ATP,  but you knew that he is below, and never competitive against top ones, but had constance to win over lower ranked players

in the end, Cilic ran over Bublik in two sets, or Bublik won over himself in that twelfth gem, and Finn is next

[bct_ail]

Today at 1500 Medvedev will play against Ivashka. This year it is not going well for Ivashka. Medvedev should win this match.

My bet is just the opposite. I would take Ivashka @6 every time against Medvedev in this form @1.15. I still believe Medvedev will win, but it will be though and my serious bets are on Ivashka +5.5 @1.6 and Ivashka to take a set @2.8

Sorry. I was mistaken. The game between Medvedev and Ivashka starts now at 1615. I am curious whether your bet will be right.
The game between Basilashvili and Otte was at 1500. Here again the second set was interesting. Otte still won the first set. But in the second set he did not winning a point. So it was exciting in the last set and it was decided in a tiebreak.

[Joca97]

Today at 1500 Medvedev will play against Ivashka. This year it is not going well for Ivashka. Medvedev should win this match.

My bet is just the opposite. I would take Ivashka @6 every time against Medvedev in this form @1.15. I still believe Medvedev will win, but it will be though and my serious bets are on Ivashka +5.5 @1.6 and Ivashka to take a set @2.8

Sorry. I was mistaken. The game between Medvedev and Ivashka starts now at 1615. I am curious whether your bet will be right.
The game between Basilashvili and Otte was at 1500. Here again the second set was interesting. Otte still won the first set. But in the second set he did not winning a point. So it was exciting in the last set and it was decided in a tiebreak.

Otte is improving every single day and his good serve again pulls him to a win. After losing the first set he was able to comeback to an amazing win. He destroyed Bashilashvili in second set and won the match in his own country.

[babygun]

When Kyrgios wants to play he can be the best player in the world. But when his mind goes black he will lose instantly and not care about anymore in the match. This happened in his last loss when he lost the first set and didnt care anymore for second against Murray

I have the same feeling like you. When he is the good mood, he can win against the best players in the world but sometimes he just doesn't care. I like to watch him, it is always very entertaining, but betting on Kyrgios is always dangerous as you never know in what mood he is.

[aoluain]

When Kyrgios wants to play he can be the best player in the world. But when his mind goes black he will lose instantly and not care about anymore in the match. This happened in his last loss when he lost the first set and didnt care anymore for second against Murray

I have the same feeling like you. When he is the good mood, he can win against the best players in the world but sometimes he just doesn't care. I like to watch him, it is always very entertaining, but betting on Kyrgios is always dangerous as you never know in what mood he is.

I actually watched the match on replay (not live) and OMG he is unbelievable, there is
always controversy with him. Early in the second set he got a tim warning while not
on serve, obviously it didnt go down well with him, he went to his bench, sat down and
had a drink, the tournament supervisor was out talking to him.

Now well done to him for pulling himself together and working the win, but no I
wouldnt bet in him either.

He plays Carreno Busta tomorrow and is favoirite for that.

[Cnut237]

When Kyrgios wants to play he can be the best player in the world. But when his mind goes black he will lose instantly and not care about anymore in the match. This happened in his last loss when he lost the first set and didnt care anymore for second against Murray

I have the same feeling like you. When he is the good mood, he can win against the best players in the world but sometimes he just doesn't care. I like to watch him, it is always very entertaining, but betting on Kyrgios is always dangerous as you never know in what mood he is.

Definitely true. With Krygios it is probably better betting on single matches... it's unlikely he'll maintain his mental attitude for a whole tournament, and he often falls apart playing top players when they start to put him under a bit of pressure. His unpredictability makes him exciting, but for betting he's a lot of trouble.

[Trofo]

When Kyrgios wants to play he can be the best player in the world. But when his mind goes black he will lose instantly and not care about anymore in the match. This happened in his last loss when he lost the first set and didnt care anymore for second against Murray

I have the same feeling like you. When he is the good mood, he can win against the best players in the world but sometimes he just doesn't care. I like to watch him, it is always very entertaining, but betting on Kyrgios is always dangerous as you never know in what mood he is.

Definitely true. With Krygios it is probably better betting on single matches... it's unlikely he'll maintain his mental attitude for a whole tournament, and he often falls apart playing top players when they start to put him under a bit of pressure. His unpredictability makes him exciting, but for betting he's a lot of trouble.

He is also very good candidate for live betting if you are watching his matches. You can just see when something starts bothering him and then it is downward spiral.

Problem is that he is actually talented, so sometimes, even though he serves underhand, or plays all drop shots in the game or attacks every ball like there is no tomorrow it can work in his favour.

Should win against CB without much problems on grass though,  I have him on one ticket.

[bct_ail]

Otte is improving every single day and his good serve again pulls him to a win. After losing the first set he was able to comeback to an amazing win. He destroyed Bashilashvili in second set and won the match in his own country.

I also find that he is getting better day by day. On Monday he will be ranked 41st in the world. I really hope he can play a lot this year. At the moment he is playing in the quarter-finals against Khachanov. Here too, he lost his first set.  A tiebreak in the second set will probably decide whether there will be a third set or not.

[Cnut237]

I notice that all the talk is on the men's side... is that because everyone knows that Swiatek will win the women's?  

It seems she's listed at around 2.5... not sure if that's good or bad. Obviously there is always some uncertainty around a player making it safely through 7 matches in 14 days, irrespective of how good they are. TBH though I did probably expect something less than 2.5.

Serena seems to be around 17-19, but obviously no-one knows what sort of condition she's in.

[casperBGD]

I notice that all the talk is on the men's side... is that because everyone knows that Swiatek will win the women's?  

It seems she's listed at around 2.5...

TBH, did not consider it, but seems as better value than Djokovic @1.83
she is playing in life-best form, and yeah, it is harder to win in a row, when you play best-of-3, because there is no room for mistake, one set down, and you are under pressure, but eventually she should win it

Serena is playing for media attention, it is hard to see her in second week, at this point

[Cnut237]

I notice that all the talk is on the men's side... is that because everyone knows that Swiatek will win the women's?  

It seems she's listed at around 2.5...

TBH, did not consider it, but seems as better value than Djokovic @1.83
she is playing in life-best form, and yeah, it is harder to win in a row, when you play best-of-3, because there is no room for mistake, one set down, and you are under pressure, but eventually she should win it

Serena is playing for media attention, it is hard to see her in second week, at this point

I can't really see anyone beating Swiatek, my concern was more about her fitness. I think she's had a shoulder injury recently, and I'm wary of betting on her to make it through 7 matches in a fortnight without that injury flaring up. If she stays fit, yes, the 2.5 looks good.

Don't know what to think about Serena, in a way it's similar to the situation Nadal has been in a few times this year, he basically won the French Open on one leg, simply because "It's Nadal at Roland Garros"... a similar argument could be advanced for "It's Serena at Wimbledon" (although her record doesn't quite compare with Nadal's absurd dominance in France).

[Trofo]

I can't really see anyone beating Swiatek, my concern was more about her fitness. I think she's had a shoulder injury recently, and I'm wary of betting on her to make it through 7 matches in a fortnight without that injury flaring up. If she stays fit, yes, the 2.5 looks good.

Swiatek is overwhelming favorite for the title and odds of 2.5 sound almost too good to be true. I guess it is because she never had any significant results on grass but this time i believe it is a case of her being young and exploding just this year rather then her being bad on grass. She looked miles above all competition in last couple of tournaments and I expect her to continue in same fashion.

Not even gonna comment Serena, I don't see her as legit contender against anybody who can make her move around the pitch.

[Joca97]

I can't really see anyone beating Swiatek, my concern was more about her fitness. I think she's had a shoulder injury recently, and I'm wary of betting on her to make it through 7 matches in a fortnight without that injury flaring up. If she stays fit, yes, the 2.5 looks good.

Swiatek is overwhelming favorite for the title and odds of 2.5 sound almost too good to be true. I guess it is because she never had any significant results on grass but this time i believe it is a case of her being young and exploding just this year rather then her being bad on grass. She looked miles above all competition in last couple of tournaments and I expect her to continue in same fashion.

Not even gonna comment Serena, I don't see her as legit contender against anybody who can make her move around the pitch.

I think currently no one in the women tennis world is even close to taking a set from Swiatek let alone winning the match against her. Some seriously unlucky day must happen that she gets knocked out . So for me this is an easy every much under games and her to win the tournament

[aoluain]

I can't really see anyone beating Swiatek, my concern was more about her fitness. I think she's had a shoulder injury recently, and I'm wary of betting on her to make it through 7 matches in a fortnight without that injury flaring up. If she stays fit, yes, the 2.5 looks good.

Swiatek is overwhelming favorite for the title and odds of 2.5 sound almost too good to be true. I guess it is because she never had any significant results on grass but this time i believe it is a case of her being young and exploding just this year rather then her being bad on grass. She looked miles above all competition in last couple of tournaments and I expect her to continue in same fashion.

Not even gonna comment Serena, I don't see her as legit contender against anybody who can make her move around the pitch.

I think currently no one in the women tennis world is even close to taking a set from Swiatek let alone winning the match against her. Some seriously unlucky day must happen that she gets knocked out . So for me this is an easy every much under games and her to win the tournament

On grass there is possibly one who could pose a bit of a threat, Beatriz Haddad Maia from
Brazil is going very strong ATM, After winning Nottingham both singles and doubles she is
through to the semi finals at the Birmingham Classic. She played twice today and won to
meet Halep the second seed, that will be interesting. I think she is one to watch for Wimbledon
and possibly meeting Swiatek.