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[casperBGD]

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Why Kyrgios is lucky to be in the final?

it is just because he will not play semi-final match, I am not saying that he is lucky to reach SF
he played great tennis so far, and as I said, I would not count him out in the final, although Djokovic is a clear favorite (not just now, it was prior to tournament as well, with odds below 2)

regarding today, probably an easy win for Novak, but it could get interesting

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It's a shame that Nadal cannot continue, he was my favorite to lift the trophy. If he'd won here, he would have needed only the US open for the Grand Slam and with his age - that would have been such an achievement.

Đoković has an open road to the trophy now, I feel Norrie will be a bigger threat than Kyrgios. I do expect him to win both of these games comfortably, he'll mentally destroy Kyrgios in the final and he's simply got too much quality to lose to Norrie in a best to 3 sets mach.

[btc_angela]

It's a shame that Nadal cannot continue, he was my favorite to lift the trophy. If he'd won here, he would have needed only the US open for the Grand Slam and with his age - that would have been such an achievement.

Đoković has an open road to the trophy now, I feel Norrie will be a bigger threat than Kyrgios. I do expect him to win both of these games comfortably, he'll mentally destroy Kyrgios in the final and he's simply got too much quality to lose to Norrie in a best to 3 sets mach.

I think otherwise though, for me Kyrgios is the biggest threat between the two. However, it will still be Djokovic in the end, I doubt that anyone of them can match the mentality of Djokovic in closing out game.

But it will be an interesting match between him and Nick, could be fun specially if we will have Nick's tantrums again and how will Djokovic will react. Odds for Djokovic stands at 1.06 ML, 9.20 for Norrie.

[Trofo]

It's a shame that Nadal cannot continue, he was my favorite to lift the trophy. If he'd won here, he would have needed only the US open for the Grand Slam and with his age - that would have been such an achievement.

Đoković has an open road to the trophy now, I feel Norrie will be a bigger threat than Kyrgios. I do expect him to win both of these games comfortably, he'll mentally destroy Kyrgios in the final and he's simply got too much quality to lose to Norrie in a best to 3 sets mach.

I think otherwise though, for me Kyrgios is the biggest threat between the two. However, it will still be Djokovic in the end, I doubt that anyone of them can match the mentality of Djokovic in closing out game.

But it will be an interesting match between him and Nick, could be fun specially if we will have Nick's tantrums again and how will Djokovic will react. Odds for Djokovic stands at 1.06 ML, 9.20 for Norrie.

Have to agree that Kyrgios is a bigger threat here. Did not watch Norrie at all this year on grass so maybe I am biased but I simply can't see a way for him to outplay Djoković. I feel like home crowd is the only thing in his favour here.

Kyrgios on the other hand has the game for sure and has 2:0 against Djoković, both wins on hard court and grass should favour him even more. If, and that is a big if, Kyrgios enters the match focused I see him as legit title contender. My bet will be on Kyrgios in some form, maybe handi or to take one set or to take first set.

[Cnut237]

Add to that fact that there is no points this year

I just found out that this year there are no points for players at Wimbledon and this will make the player rankings will remain the same for some time.

Not actually true. You have to defend points from last year and now that is impossible. For instance Djokovic will probably win Wimbledon and in process loose 2000 points and as a consequence loose first spot on rankings to Medvedev who was not allowed to play in Wimbledon. If it wasn't tragic it would be hilarious.

Wimbledon banned russian players to play and as a consequence ATP took away points and in process Medvedev who was supposed to be punished becomes number 1. Idiots all around 

It's actually even worse than that. Not only did their actions mean that they have made a Russian men's number one, but also women's finalist Elena Rybakina "from Kazakhstan" is actually a Russian competing under the Kazakh flag because they gave her funding. So quite possibly a Russian will win the women's title. And more than that, Wimbledon's decision has had a negative effect for British players, many of whom would have scored more ranking points than usual in this year's tournament, not just Norrie but also lower ranked players such as Katie Boulter and Heather Watson (amongst others)... for whom the ranking points boost would have been really valuable.

[buwaytress]

regarding today, probably an easy win for Novak, but it could get interesting

Norrie Kyrgios would be a nice final of unknowns methinks. Probably less than epic but likely to have the best and worst of both. 8/1 for Djokovic to lose, and it really is his to lose. He might give up the first set though, just to test waters, if I know how things will turn out.

I always side a bit with home support advantage but in this case, Djoko probably thrives being on the receiving end...

Not actually true. You have to defend points from last year and now that is impossible. For instance Djokovic will probably win Wimbledon and in process loose 2000 points and as a consequence loose first spot on rankings to Medvedev who was not allowed to play in Wimbledon. If it wasn't tragic it would be hilarious.

Wimbledon banned russian players to play and as a consequence ATP took away points and in process Medvedev who was supposed to be punished becomes number 1. Idiots all around 

Explain this to me, apologies for not having caught up. He wins but loses points because he doesn't have anything to defend?

Then shouldn't Medvedev lose points for not defending them?

Yeah I don't get it.

[Cnut237]

Not actually true. You have to defend points from last year and now that is impossible. For instance Djokovic will probably win Wimbledon and in process loose 2000 points and as a consequence loose first spot on rankings to Medvedev who was not allowed to play in Wimbledon. If it wasn't tragic it would be hilarious.

Wimbledon banned russian players to play and as a consequence ATP took away points and in process Medvedev who was supposed to be punished becomes number 1. Idiots all around  

Explain this to me, apologies for not having caught up. He wins but loses points because he doesn't have anything to defend?

Then shouldn't Medvedev lose points for not defending them?

Yeah I don't get it.

Rankings are on a rolling 12 month basis. After French Open 2022, players lost their ranking points from French Open 2021, and gained those from French Open 2022.
So after Wimbledon 2022, players lose their points from Wimbledon 2021, and gain 0 (because no points for Wimbledon this year).

Wimbledon 2021: Djokovic 2000 points, Medvedev 180 points (IIRC).
Wimbledon 2022: Djokovic 0 points, Medvedev 0 points.

Djokovic loses 2000 points from his ranking after Wimbledon 2022, Medvedev only loses 180, and becomes world number one.

[Trofo]

Not actually true. You have to defend points from last year and now that is impossible. For instance Djokovic will probably win Wimbledon and in process loose 2000 points and as a consequence loose first spot on rankings to Medvedev who was not allowed to play in Wimbledon. If it wasn't tragic it would be hilarious.

Wimbledon banned russian players to play and as a consequence ATP took away points and in process Medvedev who was supposed to be punished becomes number 1. Idiots all around  

Explain this to me, apologies for not having caught up. He wins but loses points because he doesn't have anything to defend?

Then shouldn't Medvedev lose points for not defending them?

Yeah I don't get it.

Rankings are on a rolling 12 month basis. After French Open 2022, players lost their ranking points from French Open 2021, and gained those from French Open 2022.
So after Wimbledon 2022, players lose their points from Wimbledon 2021, and gain 0 (because no points for Wimbledon this year).

Wimbledon 2021: Djokovic 2000 points, Medvedev 180 points (IIRC).
Wimbledon 2022: Djokovic 0 points, Medvedev 0 points.

Djokovic loses 2000 points from his ranking after Wimbledon 2022, Medvedev only loses 180, and becomes world number one.

Cnut was faster and explained it to you even better than I would. For instance I had no idea that Medvedev got 180 last year so my example would have been less complete. No way I would google that 

All in all, masterfull clusterfuck which happens when two organisations decide to flex muscles and see how far they can push each other instead of agreeing on some common sense solution.

[Ratash]

Nadal walking over against kyrgios is not what i would excpect i hope he does not have an injury and if he does i hope its not a bad one this year he has been excelent so far he won two consecutive grand slams and i thought he might win this one too but its too bad, djokovic odds vs norrie are unexpectedly low i think it will be more close than the odds suggest.

[Jating]

Nadal walking over against kyrgios is not what i would excpect i hope he does not have an injury and if he does i hope its not a bad one this year he has been excelent so far he won two consecutive grand slams and i thought he might win this one too but its too bad, djokovic odds vs norrie are unexpectedly low i think it will be more close than the odds suggest.

It could be worst that we though, that is the same injury that he had before and then he re-injured it again, not a good sign, maybe it's the wear and tear and taking a toll on his body.

I put a bet on Norrie +7.5 at 2.00, expecting him to at least give Djokovic a good match in the semis. The game is about 20 minutes from now and hopefully we can see great tennis.

[romero121]

Nadal walking over against kyrgios is not what i would excpect i hope he does not have an injury and if he does i hope its not a bad one this year he has been excelent so far he won two consecutive grand slams and i thought he might win this one too but its too bad, djokovic odds vs norrie are unexpectedly low i think it will be more close than the odds suggest.

We can't be judgemental on one's injury. No one will make a walkover with an intention. For him this year is really good, and he never wants to give a pause to the winning streak. Possibly he'll make a recovery within few weeks time. So the final is going to be Djokovic vs Kyrgios, and Djokovic will once again give a thrill match losing the first two sets and winning the last three sets.

[KTChampions]

The game score is 2-5 and most likely Djokovic loses the first set. The odds are pretty ridiculous though:

Djokovic, Novak 1,3

Norrie, Cameron 3,65

It seems to me that Cameron is very much underestimated because of the big name of the opponent, and if you bet, it's better to bet on Cameron.


  Djokovic lost the first set but now the odds are even more ridiculous:

Djokovic, Novak 1,2

Norrie, Cameron 4,9

[Cnut237]

Djokovic lost the first set but now the odds are even more ridiculous:

Djokovic, Novak 1,2

Norrie, Cameron 4,9

Djokovic has a tendency to come back from even two sets down, and win. Those odds might factor in the Sinner match in the last round, he went 2 sets down, then broke in the third and from then on looked completely untroubled in sealing a simple three set victory (ignoring the two sets he'd lost beforehand).

Nevertheless I do think Djokovic is not quite the 100% Djokovic we've seen in recent years, and Norrie does have a chance.
But yes, for the moment, even at a set down, Djokovic should be clear favourite.

Another interesting point to consider is that one reason Djokovic can come back from 2 sets down so often is he is able to sustain top physical level for longer than most players, he can simply outlast almost everyone... and this is where he may finally meet his match in Norrie, who is also a master of endurance.

It's an intriguing match...

[JohnBitCo]

The game score is 2-5 and most likely Djokovic loses the first set. The odds are pretty ridiculous though:

Djokovic, Novak 1,3

Norrie, Cameron 3,65

It seems to me that Cameron is very much underestimated because of the big name of the opponent, and if you bet, it's better to bet on Cameron.


  Djokovic lost the first set but now the odds are even more ridiculous:

Djokovic, Novak 1,2

Norrie, Cameron 4,9

Djokovic lost the first set but bookmakers still see him favorite as he has the habit of coming from behind. However, i think everyone is under estimating Norrie here. Norrie is playing very competitive today and we could see a big upset today. I would bet a small amount on Cameron Norrie, as his odds are too tempting to take the risk.
The second set is in progress and let us see who will win the first break point. 

[virasog]

Another interesting point to consider is that one reason Djokovic can come back from 2 sets down so often is he is able to sustain top physical level for longer than most players, he can simply outlast almost everyone... and this is where he may finally meet his match in Norrie, who is also a master of endurance.

Yes, Djokovic lost the first two sets and managed to win the last match but this does not mean that it will happen every time.  At the moment, no one can conclude who will win this match.  However, Norrie, British professional tennis player, has a golden opportunity today. He is one set ahead and he needs to show the presence of mind and some skills to make history today.

[casperBGD]

was it too obvious even to bookies that Djokovic will start playing after losing first set
took him @1.3, expected more steam from Norrie, so did not hedged complete outright, but he basically did not had any break chances after first set finished

not sure about final dough, Kyrgios should not break down after losing one set, as Sinner and Norrie

[BitcoinAccepted]

It is a pity that Nadal has decided not to play his match in the semi-finals. A pity for everyone, but in the end this was the only right decision. If he was going to play, the injury would only have gotten worse and he might have been out of action for months. So frustrating now, but Djokovic is now smiling third who is of course top favorite. Kyrgios is aiming for his first Grand Slam victory. Djokovic is at a complete other level than Kyrgios is.

[KTChampions]

was it too obvious even to bookies that Djokovic will start playing after losing first set
took him @1.3, expected more steam from Norrie, so did not hedged complete outright, but he basically did not had any break chances after first set finished

not sure about final dough, Kyrgios should not break down after losing one set, as Sinner and Norrie

After the game is over it is natural that everything is obvious. If there would be a directly opposite result, then everything would be no less obvious, because the result is a consequence of the process that we see. I recently won a bet on Djokovic at odds of 1.8, but I understand that it was a risky bet and I could well lose, but this bet was close to 2, so I consider such bets as adequate. The chance of 1.3 is unacceptably low in my opinion.

[Joca97]

The game score is 2-5 and most likely Djokovic loses the first set. The odds are pretty ridiculous though:

Djokovic, Novak 1,3

Norrie, Cameron 3,65

It seems to me that Cameron is very much underestimated because of the big name of the opponent, and if you bet, it's better to bet on Cameron.


  Djokovic lost the first set but now the odds are even more ridiculous:

Djokovic, Novak 1,2

Norrie, Cameron 4,9

Well this is normal Djokovic already lost a couple of time a set and returned after losing. So i wouldnt even be surprised if in the final the same thing happen. Norrie was carried by the crowd while Djokovic didnt heat up. Once he did it was all over for Norrie

[Webetcoins]

Djokovic lost the first set but bookmakers still see him favorite as he has the habit of coming from behind. However, i think everyone is under estimating Norrie here. Norrie is playing very competitive today and we could see a big upset today. I would bet a small amount on Cameron Norrie, as his odds are too tempting to take the risk.
The second set is in progress and let us see who will win the first break point. 

Bookmakers are now wise about Djokovic because they are catching him with his tactics if you can check go ahead in last few Grand Slam matches he is doing things like this and losing first two or only one set which is having some big impact on odds, but now they are not going with this and still have odds like these.

Few days back when Djokovic were lost first two sets then I place a bet with the odds of @2 but now suddenly they are not allowing things like this because peoples were in waiting mod and bookmakers was also in commanding situation, so they have done their own system which was successful for them in this match and Djokovic was also in better mood, and he complete this match very quickly after losing first set.