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[Kemarit]

Of course, there are players who are really not going to make it back to their former
glory with the new talent making their mark on the tour.

Next year it will be even more difficult for them as the younger players will have
become stronger and developed their games more.

Although we have seen Djokovic meaning a comeback and back to be number 1 after getting injured. I remember that he had a open letter or something after winning a grand slam or a tournament. And it took him sometime to recover and bounce back to his form. But probably his injury might not be as severe as Murray and so Djokovic is a "exception to the rule".

@Rabi3 - I do agree, some players you mentioned bring nostalgia to me, specially Wawrinka you really gave the big 3 a run during his prime years.

More young players line-up. Even at their 20's they're making big progress. This makes the senior players work more to give competence. It is the experience that helps them stay high, whereas with the young players the stamina and the injury free scenario keeps them moving high defeating popular players. Djokovic was able to make a recovery, but he can't continue with this for a long as the competence level is quite high compared to the past days of tennis.

I still think that Djokovic an still maintain his level against their young players, although he has lost his rankings to Alcaraz, but I still believed that Djokovic will have the advantage over other players, not just his superior skills but his approach and mentality towards the game.

I'm seeing Djokovic still winning at least 2 Grand Slams before his game really deteriorates like Federer and Nadal. But that will be his goal to become the winningest tennis player so he will look for it before retiring.

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[Jating]

Yes, although he made a comeback and get his fans excited, I doubt think that he can bring back the clock. He might be satisfied on entering tournament and see how far he can go or even winning (and losing) against young guys.

I guess though the competitive spirit is still inside of him. Nevertheless, might be in a couple of years he might go and retire.

I think he also enjoys it just too much. Otherwise, why would you keep competing if you know that you can't win anymore against players that you defeated easy on years ago.
He can indeed win the first couple of rounds, even against keep players, but that's about it.

Maybe, he is still enjoying playing against this young players and he wanted to proved that he still has it. However, it's two different things, maybe your mind is telling you to go and play, but if your body is not cooperating because of injuries and you are already way past your prime. Then sooner or later you will have to make that difficult decision just like any other athletes, it's just to retire and no need to push yourself anymore and let this young blood be the next of the generation.

[KennyR]

Yes, although he made a comeback and get his fans excited, I doubt think that he can bring back the clock. He might be satisfied on entering tournament and see how far he can go or even winning (and losing) against young guys.

I guess though the competitive spirit is still inside of him. Nevertheless, might be in a couple of years he might go and retire.

I think he also enjoys it just too much. Otherwise, why would you keep competing if you know that you can't win anymore against players that you defeated easy on years ago.
He can indeed win the first couple of rounds, even against keep players, but that's about it.

Maybe, he is still enjoying playing against this young players and he wanted to proved that he still has it. However, it's two different things, maybe your mind is telling you to go and play, but if your body is not cooperating because of injuries and you are already way past your prime. Then sooner or later you will have to make that difficult decision just like any other athletes, it's just to retire and no need to push yourself anymore and let this young blood be the next of the generation.

Retiring at their prime is always a good choice. The young players into tennis keeps counting. When injuries keeps adding, it is hard to be competent. In such situation announcing the retirement is far better than struggling. Even now these players can start coaching the young players from their country or can create their own clubs.

[aoluain]

One other WTA tournament running ATM - Guadalajara, I wonder if Swiatek will play there?

Anyone following this tournament?

I have caught a few games with no bets yet. It looks like this is the tournament which
will determine the last places available in the WTA finals.

Swiatek, Jabeur and Pegula have already secured their spots.

https://www.wtatennis.com/news/2857865/bubble-watch-breaking-down-the-17-players-with-a-chance-to-make-the-wta-finals

With one week left, a single tournament -- the Guadalajara Open Akron --
will determine the majority of the singles field at the WTA Finals in Fort Worth.
With three players qualified (Iga Swiatek, Ons Jabeur and Jessica Pegula), five spots remain.

[LittleBitFunny]

-snip

Andy Murray is a tennis legend, one of the greatest tennis players in history, but unfortunately two factors in his career prevented him from becoming an even bigger and better tennis player.
The first fact is that he played in the era of the three greatest tennis players in history, and the second fact is his numerous injuries that ruined his tennis career.
If it weren't for that, his tennis career would have been even bigger.
It's obvious how much he loves playing tennis and that it is difficult for him to end his tennis career, but it is obvious that it will happen soon.

But still though, he hold his piece against the era of big 3 and we can even insert his name there that's why there is big 4. But the injury though,  he had numerous injuries, but the last one really ruined it for him and we can call it career ending injuries.

And he tried to make a comeback in his career, play good matches but we know that he won't win any trophy at this point and just a matter of time before he quit.

As a player, he is a competent one, and he has always been competitive in what he does. Although he played at a high level, he could not compete at the level of the other incredibly talented players who played at the same time as him. At this point in his age, he is nearing the end of his career. Consequently, I do not think any fan should have unrealistic expectations about what he can achieve in the future. It would be foolish for any fan to expect big things from him. However, I also believe his competitive nature is going to be able to keep him motivated for at least two more years, if not longer. After that, he will eventually retire.

He was a great player. He just got overshadowed by other great players in my opinion.

[bitbollo]

Nice win by Tsitsipas tonight in Stockholm against Maxime Cressy.
Even with nice odds on the first set since the Greek was quoted up to @1.90 ( I was able to take a nice/comfortable @1.60).
Tsitsipas must be followed into this tournament. He is the first player of the seed, and he is playing at high level.
For sure he deserve some attention...

There is also a new entry into this tournament, the Czech player Jiri Lehecka. He has won against Dimitrov with some nice shot.
He is only 20 yo.

[shogun47]

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Andy Murray is a tennis legend, one of the greatest tennis players in history, but unfortunately two factors in his career prevented him from becoming an even bigger and better tennis player.
The first fact is that he played in the era of the three greatest tennis players in history, and the second fact is his numerous injuries that ruined his tennis career.
If it weren't for that, his tennis career would have been even bigger.
It's obvious how much he loves playing tennis and that it is difficult for him to end his tennis career, but it is obvious that it will happen soon.

But still though, he hold his piece against the era of big 3 and we can even insert his name there that's why there is big 4. But the injury though,  he had numerous injuries, but the last one really ruined it for him and we can call it career ending injuries.

And he tried to make a comeback in his career, play good matches but we know that he won't win any trophy at this point and just a matter of time before he quit.

As a player, he is a competent one, and he has always been competitive in what he does. Although he played at a high level, he could not compete at the level of the other incredibly talented players who played at the same time as him. At this point in his age, he is nearing the end of his career. Consequently, I do not think any fan should have unrealistic expectations about what he can achieve in the future. It would be foolish for any fan to expect big things from him. However, I also believe his competitive nature is going to be able to keep him motivated for at least two more years, if not longer. After that, he will eventually retire.

He was a great player. He just got overshadowed by other great players in my opinion.

There is essentially no way for him to win bigger tournaments anymore. I mean, never say never and so on and so forth, but given he has this artificial hip joint as far as I know, I would be shocked if he ever played a tournament again where he would be able to beat the best of the best even in maybe five set long fights, managing his pain, even more important his overall mobility and precision. I just can't see how that is humanly possible when you are facing more or less completely healthy bodies.

Yes I know that Rafael Nadal is said to play with pain as well, but as to my knowledge he has no steel plates in his body and does get medication? Murray's injury, a hip joint, is something I would deem so incredibly important for a tennis player to make it to the absolute top.

[Joca97]

Nice win by Tsitsipas tonight in Stockholm against Maxime Cressy.
Even with nice odds on the first set since the Greek was quoted up to @1.90 ( I was able to take a nice/comfortable @1.60).
Tsitsipas must be followed into this tournament. He is the first player of the seed, and he is playing at high level.
For sure he deserve some attention...

There is also a new entry into this tournament, the Czech player Jiri Lehecka. He has won against Dimitrov with some nice shot.
He is only 20 yo.

Tsitsipas has an amazing chance to win this tournament and finally win a trophy he is playing good and he has a good draw. Lehecka pulled a really big win against Dimitrov and Dimitrov had the win in the bag but just didnt focus enough in the tie break and went from 5-2 lead to 5-7 in the tie break

[Kemarit]

Nice win by Tsitsipas tonight in Stockholm against Maxime Cressy.
Even with nice odds on the first set since the Greek was quoted up to @1.90 ( I was able to take a nice/comfortable @1.60).
Tsitsipas must be followed into this tournament. He is the first player of the seed, and he is playing at high level.
For sure he deserve some attention...

There is also a new entry into this tournament, the Czech player Jiri Lehecka. He has won against Dimitrov with some nice shot.
He is only 20 yo.

Tsitsipas has an amazing chance to win this tournament and finally win a trophy he is playing good and he has a good draw. Lehecka pulled a really big win against Dimitrov and Dimitrov had the win in the bag but just didnt focus enough in the tie break and went from 5-2 lead to 5-7 in the tie break

I totally missed this one, I'm a big Tsitsipas fans but lately his game is going down. And so it's good to hear to win. He is the top seed in this tournament so hopefully he can live up to the billing.

The Tsitsipas match though is very close against Cressy, it was two tie break set. So hopefully whoever he plays next in the quarter finals tomorrow, it will be a good match or possibly 3 setter as I will bet on the Over.

[Ayers]

Nice win by Tsitsipas tonight in Stockholm against Maxime Cressy.
Even with nice odds on the first set since the Greek was quoted up to @1.90 ( I was able to take a nice/comfortable @1.60).
Tsitsipas must be followed into this tournament. He is the first player of the seed, and he is playing at high level.
For sure he deserve some attention...
There is also a new entry into this tournament, the Czech player Jiri Lehecka. He has won against Dimitrov with some nice shot.
He is only 20 yo.

Tsitsipas has an amazing chance to win this tournament and finally win a trophy he is playing good and he has a good draw. Lehecka pulled a really big win against Dimitrov and Dimitrov had the win in the bag but just didnt focus enough in the tie break and went from 5-2 lead to 5-7 in the tie break

I totally missed this one, I'm a big Tsitsipas fans but lately his game is going down. And so it's good to hear to win. He is the top seed in this tournament so hopefully he can live up to the billing.
The Tsitsipas match though is very close against Cressy, it was two tie break set. So hopefully whoever he plays next in the quarter finals tomorrow, it will be a good match or possibly 3 setter as I will bet on the Over.

It must be said that Tsitsipas has played a really good game in this match. His performance was simply better than that of his opponent. In almost every aspect of the game, he outplayed his opponent. I think it was expected to some extent by a lot of people.

However, at the same time, the match was quite close as well. He had a tough fight against his opponent Cressy.

Now it will be interesting to see who Tsitsipas is going to face next in this tournament. He is quite a big favorite in this Stockholm open.

[btc_angela]

Nice win by Tsitsipas tonight in Stockholm against Maxime Cressy.
Even with nice odds on the first set since the Greek was quoted up to @1.90 ( I was able to take a nice/comfortable @1.60).
Tsitsipas must be followed into this tournament. He is the first player of the seed, and he is playing at high level.
For sure he deserve some attention...
There is also a new entry into this tournament, the Czech player Jiri Lehecka. He has won against Dimitrov with some nice shot.
He is only 20 yo.

Tsitsipas has an amazing chance to win this tournament and finally win a trophy he is playing good and he has a good draw. Lehecka pulled a really big win against Dimitrov and Dimitrov had the win in the bag but just didnt focus enough in the tie break and went from 5-2 lead to 5-7 in the tie break

I totally missed this one, I'm a big Tsitsipas fans but lately his game is going down. And so it's good to hear to win. He is the top seed in this tournament so hopefully he can live up to the billing.
The Tsitsipas match though is very close against Cressy, it was two tie break set. So hopefully whoever he plays next in the quarter finals tomorrow, it will be a good match or possibly 3 setter as I will bet on the Over.

It must be said that Tsitsipas has played a really good game in this match. His performance was simply better than that of his opponent. In almost every aspect of the game, he outplayed his opponent. I think it was expected to some extent by a lot of people.

However, at the same time, the match was quite close as well. He had a tough fight against his opponent Cressy.

Now it will be interesting to see who Tsitsipas is going to face next in this tournament. He is quite a big favorite in this Stockholm open.

I checked on who is Tsitsi potential opponent is and it's a tough one,

it's either defending champion Tommy Paul or home favourite Mikael Ymer.

Nevertheless I also see another tough match for Tsitsi for either of this player and I do agree that this match might be extended to a full 3 sets as both Paul and Ymer is tough, and so this is a close one for Tsitsi, but I wlll not be surprised that he will go to the semifinals of this tournament.

[KennyR]

I checked on who is Tsitsi potential opponent is and it's a tough one,

it's either defending champion Tommy Paul or home favourite Mikael Ymer.

Nevertheless I also see another tough match for Tsitsi for either of this player and I do agree that this match might be extended to a full 3 sets as both Paul and Ymer is tough, and so this is a close one for Tsitsi, but I wlll not be surprised that he will go to the semifinals of this tournament.

Tsitsipas with the winning form will continue to overcome Ymer without much of difficulty. In the match against Maxime Cressy he was in a tough situation and he took it forward winning in the direct set after hard fight. As said, there is more chances of match moving to the third set and both the players of the similar age will have a game comprising lengthy rallies.

[Ayers]

It must be said that Tsitsipas has played a really good game in this match. His performance was simply better than that of his opponent. In almost every aspect of the game, he outplayed his opponent. I think it was expected to some extent by a lot of people.

However, at the same time, the match was quite close as well. He had a tough fight against his opponent Cressy.

Now it will be interesting to see who Tsitsipas is going to face next in this tournament. He is quite a big favorite in this Stockholm open.

I checked on who is Tsitsi potential opponent is and it's a tough one,

it's either defending champion Tommy Paul or home favourite Mikael Ymer.

Nevertheless I also see another tough match for Tsitsi for either of this player and I do agree that this match might be extended to a full 3 sets as both Paul and Ymer is tough, and so this is a close one for Tsitsi, but I wlll not be surprised that he will go to the semifinals of this tournament.

Tsitsipas has set a high level of expectation for himself by playing well so far and especially after winning the last match. In the last match at times, it feels like he might fall short. But he eventually won the match. After that type of performance, it is quite easy to have some high expectations from him.

He is going to play against Ymer, and I also agree that he should not face too many difficulties in that match. Even if he does I think you will be able to overcome those difficulties as he did against Cressy.

PS: I agree with @KennyR that Tsitsipas should be the winner in his next match as well.

[aoluain]

I checked on who is Tsitsi potential opponent is and it's a tough one,

it's either defending champion Tommy Paul or home favourite Mikael Ymer.

Nevertheless I also see another tough match for Tsitsi for either of this player and I do agree that this match might be extended to a full 3 sets as both Paul and Ymer is tough, and so this is a close one for Tsitsi, but I wlll not be surprised that he will go to the semifinals of this tournament.

Tsitsipas with the winning form will continue to overcome Ymer without much of difficulty. In the match against Maxime Cressy he was in a tough situation and he took it forward winning in the direct set after hard fight. As said, there is more chances of match moving to the third set and both the players of the similar age will have a game comprising lengthy rallies.

I was just going to check who was left in the tournament and in all likelihood Tsitsipas
should be able to win given the form he is in. There might be interesting betting opportunities
from here on Tsitsipas. He is 1.24 v 3.95 against Ymer and at -5 he is 2.26!


I was checking over at Antwerp and interestingly Thiem has made it through so far
and faces Hurkacz which will be difficult.

[Yaunfitda]

I checked on who is Tsitsi potential opponent is and it's a tough one,

it's either defending champion Tommy Paul or home favourite Mikael Ymer.

Nevertheless I also see another tough match for Tsitsi for either of this player and I do agree that this match might be extended to a full 3 sets as both Paul and Ymer is tough, and so this is a close one for Tsitsi, but I wlll not be surprised that he will go to the semifinals of this tournament.

Tsitsipas with the winning form will continue to overcome Ymer without much of difficulty. In the match against Maxime Cressy he was in a tough situation and he took it forward winning in the direct set after hard fight. As said, there is more chances of match moving to the third set and both the players of the similar age will have a game comprising lengthy rallies.

I checked the schedule and it seems that it will be Tsitsipas vs Ymer in the QF.

Ymer won over Tiafoe in a 3 setter with 2 games going into a tie break.

And in another QF match, it's Shapovalov vs De Minaur, so far Alex won the first set 6-2, but the second set is very close right now. I'm not going to bet, but I'm seeing De Minaur winning in 3 sets, or maybe can cover the handicap.

[btc_angela]

And for Tsitsi backers, he won against Ymer, I wasn't able to watch the match, but it was just a 2 set win by Tsitsi, score is 7-5, 6-3. It seems that Ymer give everything in the first set, unfortunately, Tsitsi is really focused on the game and didn't give Ymer a chance to even it and force a 3rd set.

Ruusuvuori defeated Tiafoe in the other match, setting a semis between the two.

The other one is De Minaur vs Rune.

[KennyR]

And for Tsitsi backers, he won against Ymer, I wasn't able to watch the match, but it was just a 2 set win by Tsitsi, score is 7-5, 6-3. It seems that Ymer give everything in the first set, unfortunately, Tsitsi is really focused on the game and didn't give Ymer a chance to even it and force a 3rd set.

Ruusuvuori defeated Tiafoe in the other match, setting a semis between the two.

The other one is De Minaur vs Rune.

Tsitsipas have played as usual not letting the match move to the third set. Ymer wasn't able to do much in the second set. During the first set he tried the best to win, but things didn't work.

Now it is Ruusuvuori vs Tsitsipas, which is gonna have the same result as the Quarter Final.

On the match De Minaur vs Rune, I find the chances high with Rune though the odds were in favour of De Minaur.

[Juggy777]

And for Tsitsi backers, he won against Ymer, I wasn't able to watch the match, but it was just a 2 set win by Tsitsi, score is 7-5, 6-3. It seems that Ymer give everything in the first set, unfortunately, Tsitsi is really focused on the game and didn't give Ymer a chance to even it and force a 3rd set.

Ruusuvuori defeated Tiafoe in the other match, setting a semis between the two.

The other one is De Minaur vs Rune.

Tsitsipas have played as usual not letting the match move to the third set. Ymer wasn't able to do much in the second set. During the first set he tried the best to win, but things didn't work.

Now it is Ruusuvuori vs Tsitsipas, which is gonna have the same result as the Quarter Final.

On the match De Minaur vs Rune, I find the chances high with Rune though the odds were in favour of De Minaur.

@btc_angela for me personally he’s a mixed package, because whenever I start to feel that he’ll win he tends to lose so for a change I’m happy that he won his match and has now progressed to the semis. Also now I hope that he wins this tournament, because he seems really focused this time round and it’ll be really disappointing if he loses in the semis or in the finals and lastly anyone here thinking that he’ll win the finals if he makes it?.

[Ratash]

The antwerp atp semifinals seem promising, thiem vs corda and aliasime vs gasquet, gasquet is a huge underdog despite the good performance he showed in this competition so far i think he will pose a big threat for the canadian i think a handicap for gasquet is a really good bet, and on the second game it seems difficult to predict both players made a great comeback recently i think we might see a three sets war.

[babygun]

@btc_angela for me personally he’s a mixed package, because whenever I start to feel that he’ll win he tends to lose so for a change I’m happy that he won his match and has now progressed to the semis. Also now I hope that he wins this tournament, because he seems really focused this time round and it’ll be really disappointing if he loses in the semis or in the finals and lastly anyone here thinking that he’ll win the finals if he makes it?.

I agree with you. He is a talented player and has played some great matches but he is not constant enough. I think a lot of people expected a lot more of Tsitsipas but it hasn't come out yet. He is only 24 years old so he got some time also.