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[Cnut237]

Max...I'm losing respect for this guy with every racing day that we have.

Yeah, I don't have much respect for him either. He's certainly fast, but his attitude needs a lot of work. Particularly forcing people (okay, one person) off the track over and over again, race after race. I do think he will be world champion this year, and he's a very fast driver, and if you have two fast drivers going head to head you do want to see them race hard, as both Hamilton and Verstappen do, unlike Bottas who just backs off. But the problem is Max takes it too far, if he thinks he's going to lose a position he'll try to take the other car out.

[LTU_btc]

Well deserved Lewis win. He had amazing pace in this track. Even pushing Hamilton out of track, waving on straight didn't helped for Verstappen. 3 races remaining and I think that gap between Lewis and Hamilton doesn't mean almost anything.
Bottas had poor start today, but he managed to bring podium for Mercedes. While Perez managed to take fastest lap from Lewis and even 1 points matters much in constructors championship.
Solid race for both Ferrari and they  already made big gap from Mclaren.

[Koal-84]

Very strong performance from Mercedes and the new engine, the change of the internal combustion engine had paid off, Mercedes was clearly stronger in performance today. The next races will be exciting.

[Jackl87]

Very strong performance from Mercedes and the new engine, the change of the internal combustion engine had paid off, Mercedes was clearly stronger in performance today. The next races will be exciting.

100% true. Mercedes really looked like in another league today in comparison to the other teams, including Red Bull. When Hamilton pushed he could easily drive 0,5 seconds faster per round then a Verstappen that also pushed. So the engine really made a huge difference today and i think that mercedes did not even have to fully unlock their whole engine power today. The overtaking of Verstappen by Hamilton looked extremely easy with the triple combo of a way stronger engine, slipstream and DRS on top. If the new engine is really that much stronger then the one before as it looked today, then i think Hamilton is the favorite for the rest of the races of this season and therefore also for the Championship.. again.

[Koal-84]

Very strong performance from Mercedes and the new engine, the change of the internal combustion engine had paid off, Mercedes was clearly stronger in performance today. The next races will be exciting.

100% true. Mercedes really looked like in another league today in comparison to the other teams, including Red Bull. When Hamilton pushed he could easily drive 0,5 seconds faster per round then a Verstappen that also pushed. So the engine really made a huge difference today and i think that mercedes did not even have to fully unlock their whole engine power today. The overtaking of Verstappen by Hamilton looked extremely easy with the triple combo of a way stronger engine, slipstream and DRS on top. If the new engine is really that much stronger then the one before as it looked today, then i think Hamilton is the favorite for the rest of the races of this season and therefore also for the Championship.. again.

I think Mercedes have got everything they can out of the new engine, officially there are no changes but the new engine will run at the upper limit due to the tactical change, there are only a few races left. It seems to be the last card of Mercedes in the world championship fight, but it seems to work, normally the teams have few engines available and have to divide the power, Mercedes will go all out in this situation.

[Pulsar77]

It was absolutely a great race. I can't say that I'm bored of this race. Thanks to Hamilton especially, I was really delighted with it. He raced very aggressively and with all he's got. And this helped him even win the race although he started at the 10th position to the race. He overtook so many drivers in the first 6 laps already. And it didn't take him too long to get past Perez also. After that, the team wanted Bottas to give his place to Hamilton and the real race started right after that. After taking the lead from Bottas, Verstappen maintained it for a long time. Hamilton still got too close to him though. Verstappen defended him 2 times very well. But he had nothing to do on Hamilton's third try and Hamilton got a very comfortable win after that by a 10-sec gap to Verstappen. It was a really great race thanks to these two drivers especially.

Now, there is a 14-point difference between them and the competition level has increased more.

[coinlocket$]

If we count yesterday too this was one of the greatest races ever IMHO not only for Hamilton but for Mercedes too.

He recovered 25 positions with the penalties, got pole position started last overtakes everyone, and won.

Maybe the best race ever too for Hamilton.

[waelov]

If we count yesterday too this was one of the greatest races ever IMHO not only for Hamilton but for Mercedes too.

He recovered 25 positions with the penalties, got pole position started last overtakes everyone, and won.

Maybe the best race ever too for Hamilton.

was not able to watch the race this time but damn i opened to see ranking on lap 5 and i see Hamilton 2nd with less then 2 seconds behind Verstappen i closed and i knew he had a good chance to finish at top for this one.
need to see and rewatch the race for myself and see how Redbull lost the race where all the things was going for them.

[AndySt]

It was absolutely a great race. I can't say that I'm bored of this race. Thanks to Hamilton especially, I was really delighted with it. He raced very aggressively and with all he's got. And this helped him even win the race although he started at the 10th position to the race. He overtook so many drivers in the first 6 laps already. And it didn't take him too long to get past Perez also. After that, the team wanted Bottas to give his place to Hamilton and the real race started right after that. After taking the lead from Bottas, Verstappen maintained it for a long time. Hamilton still got too close to him though. Verstappen defended him 2 times very well. But he had nothing to do on Hamilton's third try and Hamilton got a very comfortable win after that by a 10-sec gap to Verstappen. It was a really great race thanks to these two drivers especially.
Now, there is a 14-point difference between them and the competition level has increased more.

It is wonderful that the battle for the championship continues, both in the individual competition and in the constructors' Cup. Mercedes has shown that it is quite able to eliminate the gap from Verstappen for the remaining races. All objective Formula 1 viewers who are not fans of Max Verstappen and Red Bull probably admired how Hamilton coped first with a breakthrough from last place in the top 5 in the sprint, and then made a breakthrough to first place in the race from 10th place. Therefore, thanks to Lewis for keeping the intrigue alive and I sincerely hope that the fiery last stages with a persistent and interesting struggle await us. Already several times during the championship, it seemed that either Red Bull or Mercedes were going into a solid technical gap from the opponent, but each time the opposing team found reserves to improve their car and seize the initiative on their side.

[waelov]

It was absolutely a great race. I can't say that I'm bored of this race. Thanks to Hamilton especially, I was really delighted with it. He raced very aggressively and with all he's got. And this helped him even win the race although he started at the 10th position to the race. He overtook so many drivers in the first 6 laps already. And it didn't take him too long to get past Perez also. After that, the team wanted Bottas to give his place to Hamilton and the real race started right after that. After taking the lead from Bottas, Verstappen maintained it for a long time. Hamilton still got too close to him though. Verstappen defended him 2 times very well. But he had nothing to do on Hamilton's third try and Hamilton got a very comfortable win after that by a 10-sec gap to Verstappen. It was a really great race thanks to these two drivers especially.
Now, there is a 14-point difference between them and the competition level has increased more.

It is wonderful that the battle for the championship continues, both in the individual competition and in the constructors' Cup. Mercedes has shown that it is quite able to eliminate the gap from Verstappen for the remaining races. All objective Formula 1 viewers who are not fans of Max Verstappen and Red Bull probably admired how Hamilton coped first with a breakthrough from last place in the top 5 in the sprint, and then made a breakthrough to first place in the race from 10th place. Therefore, thanks to Lewis for keeping the intrigue alive and I sincerely hope that the fiery last stages with a persistent and interesting struggle await us. Already several times during the championship, it seemed that either Red Bull or Mercedes were going into a solid technical gap from the opponent, but each time the opposing team found reserves to improve their car and seize the initiative on their side.

It's amazes me how sometimes RedBull are looking to be a far much faster car and in other races Mercedes were the fastest even Maclaren at a point were even faster then the Mercedes but now Ferrari are even better then them and the new model of Power Unit made them catch up with maclaren on 3rd spot and then leave them behind more then 30 points with 3 races to go I think Ferrari sealed 3 spot for themselves and both Leclerc and Sainz are closing on Norris who is on 5th spot all of the other teams are open for competition.

[Davian144]

14 plus 11 plus 21 equals 46 and this number is very precise when added to 46 and this number is very precise with the number of his motorcycle during his time as a racer, either by chance or planned because this is the last race Valentino Rossi will be held at the Ricardo Tormo Circuit in Valencia.

I believe this was not planned in advance because basically Valentino Rossi himself also did not know that he had to retire at the end of this year even though he had stated this in a press conference some time ago before the second half of the season started.

The race ended and Ducati's Francesco Bagnaia won the 2021 Valencia MotoGP after beating Jorge Martin and Valentino Rossi to finish in 10th place.

Francesco Bagnaia had to win there because considering Ducati very rarely win at the Ricardo Tormo circuit and that circuit is the home of the Spaniards so Francesco Bagnaia from Italy had to break that dominance yesterday.

I'm sad because this is Valentino Rossi's last race in MotoGP

No need to be sad because everything will retire in time, because aging is inevitable.

[Cnut237]

I think Mercedes have got everything they can out of the new engine, officially there are no changes but the new engine will run at the upper limit due to the tactical change, there are only a few races left. It seems to be the last card of Mercedes in the world championship fight, but it seems to work, normally the teams have few engines available and have to divide the power, Mercedes will go all out in this situation.

I do think this is quite an important point. Mercedes have said earlier this season that they've had to dial things back a bit because of reliability concerns. But now they have a new engine, three races left, and it has to be a gamble worth taking. Qatar I think is crucial, this is the next race and out of the remaining three it's probably the one where we'd expect Red Bull to be strongest.

[Velvet78]

It was a great race we had yesterday in F1. Hamilton raced very superbly and despite everything he managed to win the race too. I say this because he got very heavy penalties as he started from the all the way back on the grid to the sprint race and got a five grid position penalty also. Despite this, he raced awesome in the sprint race and took the 5th position. But he started from the 10th position to the race of course. However, it was still not a big hindrance for him. He climbed all the way to the second position and after that we started watching a great competition between him and Verstappen. And Verstappen defended him really well two times but he wasn't able to do anything after that. Hamilton got a well-deserved win that's for sure.

[leea-1334]

I'm sad because this is Valentino Rossi's last race in MotoGP

No need to be sad because everything will retire in time, because aging is inevitable.

I had no idea this was going to be the case,,, I hardly watch MotoGP but everybody almost knows this legend just by mention of his name,,, and even I can feel sad just as we all felt the tragedy of Schumaker, just as we will all be mourning when the greats of every sport say goodbye.

But at least we can say Rossi will retire with his best days in front of him. To be 42, and still racing, and now keeping it off the tracks, it is amazing.

I bet you he will forever itch to race again maybe in exhibition cups

[masulum]

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Rossi has officially retired from MotoGP, So Sad, can't see him race in My Country, because Indonesia is hosting MotoGP 2022 at the Mandalika circuit, a lot of Rossi fans here and hope to see his performance. Unfortunately, this dream could not come true. He is the legend and always be remembered by us with his skill and race records.

[tokeweed]

Hamilton takes the lead, this is crazy. Verstappen forgot to force him off the track that time - he wouldn't have been penalised for it, as he wasn't a few laps ago, so weird he didn't try it. The FIA will be fuming... can they find some way to disqualify Hamilton?

Dropping the sarcasm for a sec, superb weekend from Hamilton so far... but of course we must remember he has a new engine, which does always give some advantage. Even if he wins this, Max is the overwhelming favourite for the title this season, but Lewis has done all he could.

^  I wouldn’t say overwhelming with still three more races to go before the season ends and with a 14 point gap.  The books lined the winner for the driver’s championship a coin flip between Verstappen and Hamilton.  It’s still pretty close. 

[Davian144]

I had no idea this was going to be the case,,, I hardly watch MotoGP but everybody almost knows this legend just by mention of his name,,, and even I can feel sad just as we all felt the tragedy of Schumaker, just as we will all be mourning when the greats of every sport say goodbye.

It is clear because everyone who has made him an idol will feel sad when he (Valentino Rossi) has to retire at the age of 42.

But at least we can say Rossi will retire with his best days in front of him. To be 42, and still racing, and now keeping it off the tracks, it is amazing.

And the thing that is very common is when he has prepared everything before retiring, namely the team in moto3, moto2 and also motogp where the slot is filled by his own protégé from Academy VR46.

I bet you he will forever itch to race again maybe in exhibition cups

Such a possibility, but what would be very clear was that he would continue to train in his own master's Camp together with his protégés at this point.

[Koal-84]

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Rossi has officially retired from MotoGP, So Sad, can't see him race in My Country, because Indonesia is hosting MotoGP 2022 at the Mandalika circuit, a lot of Rossi fans here and hope to see his performance. Unfortunately, this dream could not come true. He is the legend and always be remembered by us with his skill and race records.

Very sad that he resigned, but also for him the time has come, the bike was no longer the best and the age has also contributed the necessary and think he could no longer go to the physical limit as 25 year old guys. In Formula 1 there are also only 3 more races with Kimi, then he also enters the "retirement", were my favorite drivers in the two racing series.

[AakZaki]

What is very unique in today's race is the combination of date, month and year so that it can give birth to the number 46 which is a very interesting thing for a retirement event for the legendary Valentino Rossi, who has been wearing the number 46 for a long time.
14+11+21=46 (Valentino Rossi's Last Dance in MotoGP)
#GRAZIEVALE

He will remain my favourite, he is so fanatical with 46 he has meticulously planned his frequency. Unfortunately he won't be racing again at my country's new Mandalika circuit. Even if I have the money I hope to watch it live in my country.

The good news is that Mandalika has been inaugurated by the President of Indonesia, and is ready to be used for racing. This month precisely next week's weekendMandalika will be used the last series of WSBK this season and for next season Mandalika has also entered the MotoGP calendar if not wrong will be used in the 2nd Series 2022.

[Pulsar77]

Here is the thing. There are three games left to the end of the season in F1 now. And the gap between Verstappen and Hamilton is fourteen points now. Let's say that Hamilton won and Verstappen ended at the second place in the next two races. And let's say that none of them had the fastest lap at the end of the races. In this case, the gap will be closed and they both will have the same points before the last race in Abu Dhabi. I can't even imagine the competition then.    Honestly, I wouldn't say no to this kind of a scenario. But we'll see how things will go.