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1   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m34.276s   59
2   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m34.366s   54
3   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m35.874s   45
4   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m36.020s   46
5   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m36.354s   29
6   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m36.802s   44
7   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m36.987s   25
8   Mick Schumacher   GER   Haas F1 Team   1m37.846s   23
9   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m38.585s   67
10   Nicholas Latifi   CAN   Williams Racing   1m39.845s   12

https://www.crash.net/f1/results/998150/1/2022-bahrain-f1-test-day-2-friday-lap-times-2pm


Monring session.

So far teams have a lot of problems with the management of the tires.

lap timing quickly increases lap after lap.

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[tokeweed]

Just by looking at it, I'm pretty sure it isn't indicative of what the grid would be during a real race.  I think Cnut237 agree with me in that number of laps is more important during testing as it shows consistency and that the car doesn't much quirks in them.

Yep, I'd definitely agree with that. The only thing you can reliably tell from testing is that if a car is only doing a few laps and then spending most of the time in the garage, then they have problems. For the others, they have various different tyres, various different fuel loads, various set-ups, etc... it's impossible to tell who is fastest. And those who think they might be fastest will always be sand-bagging anyway. I mean, Mercedes were even hiding their true car, the one they had at the first test is nothing like this new one!

And just read that there were talks going around that Horner said Merc's side pods are in violation of the rules.  Lolol.  These are just mind games imho.

F1 is supposed to be all about making the fastest cars. It's disappointing that whenever someone comes up with some crazy innovative new design, all the other teams are shouting "Hey! We didn't think of doing that, so it's not fair and against the rules!". I mean, FFS, we don't even know if the new Merc design is faster or not, the mere fact that it's different and maybe faster is enough to have others crying about it. And this isn't me having a go at Horner, if it was a Red Bull with that design I'm sure Wolff would be complaining just as much. We should be celebrating these creative interpretations, not trying to get anything new banned... particularly as this new Merc design was apparently made after they consulted with the FIA to make sure it would be permitted.

Anyway, the new Merc car has caused a bit of discussion about previous crazy cars, and today I've seen images of this absolutely insane 1977 Tyrell F1 car. A bit before my time, but that really is some creative thinking!

Rofl.  Way before my time but isn't that from Bernie Ecclestone's team?  I think I saw that in one of F1's history vids a couple or so years ago.

Anyway I watched a bit of testing earlier before Latifi's car's rear caught fire and they had to stop the session.  I have to say that coinlocket$ was on to something when he said Ferrari could have the fastest car.  And remind me guys, is it normal for these guys to have .4 - .5 gaps during testing or should it be a lot closer?

Here are the final lap times for day 2.

2022 F1 Pre Season Testing Bahrain Day 2 Final Lap Times

1   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1m33.532s   60
2   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m34.011s   86
3   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m34.064s   70
4   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m34.141s   47
5   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m34.276s   111
6   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m34.366s   54
7   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m34.609s   60
8   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m36.020s   46
9   Kevin Magnussen   DAN   Haas F1 Team   1m36.505s   39
10   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m36.802s   120
11   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m36.987s   25
12   Mick Schumacher   GER   Haas F1 Team   1m37.846s   23
13   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m38.585s   67
14   Nicholas Latifi   CAN   Williams Racing   1m39.845s   12
15   Guanyu Zhou   CHN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m39.984s   48

[jostorres]

The new "lets get rid of sidepods" thing will probably cause a lot of stir for the coming months. Between Red Bull not even doing a proper testing and getting times right or wrong, and between them being the heaviest car by far on the track, and Mercedes having no side pots this could go either way.

Either RedBull is hiding something, and when they actually come out with their car on the first official race, they will have something amazing or they will really end up with something horrible and either Mercedes will do amazingly thanks to no sidepots, or they will do horrible because of it as well. Lets see whose gamble will hit, and whose won't.

[swogerino]

Just before we had next weekend in the Bahrain race things are heating up with George Russell claiming "Most probably the Ferraris are the better car yet globally speaking" but was countered by Sainz that said "Typical of Mercedes and in this case Russell to transfer the hype to the other teams and then come in the first race and win it".Who is right,for me is Sainz as Ferrari doesn't look that superior to me while Mercedes is aggressively trying lots of different setups.I don't think that the fastest lap of Sainz is that noteworthy but anything can be,I hope it really is Ferrari who has some really good pace,together with other teams so we are spared a boring season where Mercedes keeps winning.

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Ferrari is shining right now but probably RedBull and Mercedes are hiding.
It is not only to be on top for Ferrari, but it is also very reliable in its mechanic, has no problems so far, AND is very easy to set it up.

We have the impression that Ferrari can go in the track and to the time with only 1-2 laps.

Tomorrow will be the last day of the tests, will they push?

[Davian144]

There's no Yamaha in the top three, it looks bad. In fact they only had one Quartararo name at rank nine. Is this a bad start for Yamaha? Estimates of many fans have proven at this time they have difficulty competing with large power motors.
Mandalika Indonesia's next series, there is no official race record here. If you look at the track there,  I think there are a lot of long straights. Maybe Yamaha will struggle here again, and Ducati will dominate a lot.

I think you still need to look at the specifications of the Mandalika circuit because the straights at the Mandalika circuit are not too long even though there are many and this could give the Yamaha factory a slight advantage in terms of fighting to be in the front row. Although for the time being there are no records there for MotoGP, I think everyone can see the record for pre-season tests that have been held there for now.

This circuit has a total track length of 4.31 km with 17 turns and a straight track of 732 meters. (Source)

[bounceback]

There's no Yamaha in the top three, it looks bad. In fact they only had one Quartararo name at rank nine. Is this a bad start for Yamaha? Estimates of many fans have proven at this time they have difficulty competing with large power motors.
Mandalika Indonesia's next series, there is no official race record here. If you look at the track there,  I think there are a lot of long straights. Maybe Yamaha will struggle here again, and Ducati will dominate a lot.

I think you still need to look at the specifications of the Mandalika circuit because the straights at the Mandalika circuit are not too long even though there are many and this could give the Yamaha factory a slight advantage in terms of fighting to be in the front row. Although for the time being there are no records there for MotoGP, I think everyone can see the record for pre-season tests that have been held there for now.

This circuit has a total track length of 4.31 km with 17 turns and a straight track of 732 meters. (Source)

If you look at the pre-season test at the Mandalikan circuit last month, it looks like the Honda team will have the upper hand at that circuit because Pol Espargaro managed to be the fastest rider twice out of three test sessions, so I think the race that will be held at the Mandilika circuit this time looks like the Honda team, Yamaha and Suzuki will dominate the track because as you said the Mandalika circuit doesn't have a straight track that is too long so the KTM riders and the Ducati Team will have a bit of trouble there.

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If you look at the pre-season test at the Mandalikan circuit last month, it looks like the Honda team will have the upper hand at that circuit because Pol Espargaro managed to be the fastest rider twice out of three test sessions, so I think the race that will be held at the Mandilika circuit this time looks like the Honda team, Yamaha and Suzuki will dominate the track because as you said the Mandalika circuit doesn't have a straight track that is too long so the KTM riders and the Ducati Team will have a bit of trouble there.

If you look at the character of the circuit and its layout, I have more confidence in the Yamaha and Suzuki manufacturers, even though Pol Espargaro had stolen the attention of many people during the pre-season test session that took place there.
However, because Mandalika has been re-paved with several other updates, I am sure the riders will fight better in the Race later and the only benchmark that can be seen is when Free Practice takes place before the Race starts.

[swogerino]

Ferrari is shining right now but probably RedBull and Mercedes are hiding.
It is not only to be on top for Ferrari, but it is also very reliable in its mechanic, has no problems so far, AND is very easy to set it up.

We have the impression that Ferrari can go in the track and to the time with only 1-2 laps.

Tomorrow will be the last day of the tests, will they push?

It depends,if they want to inflict "fear" to their opponents they should push to the maximum and be ahead like 1 or a bit more second faster per lap.This will make sure that all other teams will mobilize to make the most out of their car in order to not be like more than 1 second behind the Ferraris but they can also opt to continue hiding knowing their true power as we are just one weekend ahead of the real first race where all cars will show their true power.Last year the tests didn't show the real potential of the cars if I remember correctly.

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Mandalika MotoGP SCHEDULE IN (WIB)

Friday 18 March 2022 :
08.00 WIB - Moto3 FP1
08.55 WIB - Moto2 FP1
09.50 WIB - MotoGP FP1
12.15 WIB - Moto3 FP2
13.10 WIB - Moto2 FP2
14.05 WIB - MotoGP FP2

Saturday 19 March 2022 :
08.00 WIB - Moto3 FP3
08.55 WIB - Moto2 FP3
09.50 WIB - MotoGP FP3
11.35 WIB - Moto3 Qualification
12.30 WIB - Moto2 Qualification
13.25 WIB - MotoGP FP4
14.05 WIB - MotoGP Qualification

Sunday 20 March 2022 :
09.00 WIB - Moto3 Warm Up
09.20 WIB - Moto2 Warm Up
09.40 WIB - MotoGP Warm Up
11.00 WIB - Moto3 Race
12.20 WIB - Moto2 Race
14.00 WIB - MotoGP Race

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1   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Bull Racing   1m33.105s   43
2   Guanyu Zhou   CHN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m33.959s   82
3   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m34.865s   91
4   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1m34.905s   68
5   Fernando Alonso   ESP   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m35.328s   54
6   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m35.504s   39
7   Nicholas Latifi   CAN   Williams Racing   1m35.634s   73
8   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m36.029s   53
9   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m36.217s   78
10   Kevin Magnussen   DAN   Haas F1 Team   1m38.616s   38


Source: https://www.crash.net/f1/results/998294/1/2022-bahrain-f1-test-day-3-saturday-lap-times-2pm


This morning we new components on the Redbull.

Meanwhile, the best time yesterday was by MAgnussen, did in extra time.

[sana54210]

It depends,if they want to inflict "fear" to their opponents they should push to the maximum and be ahead like 1 or a bit more second faster per lap.This will make sure that all other teams will mobilize to make the most out of their car in order to not be like more than 1 second behind the Ferraris but they can also opt to continue hiding knowing their true power as we are just one weekend ahead of the real first race where all cars will show their true power.Last year the tests didn't show the real potential of the cars if I remember correctly.

There is no need to install fear into your opponent during the testing period. If you max yourself and show what you can do like qualifier pace, and be like amazing then you are going to be putting all that you have into their hands. That is not really that great, I am not sure if I really want to see that happening or not.

I am not saying that it wouldn't be awesome for viewers, we would have fun to see a team being like 5+ seconds faster (not just car speed difference but also others are just testing and not maxing, that's why) and it is really possible. At this point even Haas could have the fastest car if they wanted to because others are just testing. If nobody is doing it, you shouldn't be the first one to do so.

[coinlocket$]

OK, f1 tests are done, and don't look at timers.

From GPS data we should have this ranking at the start of the season.

1 Redbull
2 Mercedes
3 Ferrari

The gap should be under 0.3/10

So nothing should be compromised unless one team will use an unveiled secret next week.

[diderdrogba]

Yeah, we have left the tests behind finally. And so far, the most impressive team to me have been Ferrari. Their new car seems to be really promising as it is very powerful compared to before. And their test results were great too. Leclerc and Sainz did a well job. And there is only one week to go for the first race of the new season. I'm so excited to see a brand new season in a new era in F1. I'm just hoping Ferrari to make a big difference this time. They can fight for the championship if their car is fully ready to fight hard.

[LTU_btc]

I don't want to draw any conclusions from testing. It's difficult to talk about real potential of teams - they are hiding some things before the season. Though, Ferrari indeed looks impressive. What do you think about Hamilton words that in season start they aren't ready to compete for the wins? For me it looks like sandbagging, something similar like ''Bono, my tires is gone''
Can't believe that season starts next week, can't wait for it.

[Davian144]

If you look at the pre-season test at the Mandalikan circuit last month, it looks like the Honda team will have the upper hand at that circuit because Pol Espargaro managed to be the fastest rider twice out of three test sessions, so I think the race that will be held at the Mandilika circuit this time looks like the Honda team, Yamaha and Suzuki will dominate the track because as you said the Mandalika circuit doesn't have a straight track that is too long so the KTM riders and the Ducati Team will have a bit of trouble there.

The pre-season test time at the Mandalika circuit at that time was also not too far between fellow riders, especially Pol Espargaro with Fabio Quartararo who was in second place with a very thin time gap difference, it means that every Japanese manufacturer has almost the same potential in Mandalika and the value The plus is in the riders of each manufacturer, because of the ingenuity of each rider, I think, is still the difference on all circuits.

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After the first race at Losail Qatar this month, I saw all the achievements of the MotoGP Rookies with no impression at all, because only Remy Gardner was able to get a point, and even then only one, while the other Rookies got nothing.
So for the race at Mandalika later maybe some of the rookies will try to get some points in order to become Rookie of the Year at the end of the season.

[swogerino]

I don't want to draw any conclusions from testing. It's difficult to talk about real potential of teams - they are hiding some things before the season. Though, Ferrari indeed looks impressive. What do you think about Hamilton words that in season start they aren't ready to compete for the wins? For me it looks like sandbagging, something similar like ''Bono, my tires is gone''
Can't believe that season starts next week, can't wait for it.

The last tests ended with Verstappen first at a big margin and showed he was much faster than the other previous tests that run during these last couple of days.It is a sure thing now that teams are hiding something as Verstappen was nowhere near these times during the first day of the tests.Although Ferrari should have been better compared to their previous years because they have started the development of this car since end of 2020.

As for Hamilton he said we can't compete for wins in the first week but I am told that we have a lot of pace to find during the F1 season.

[alegotardo]

I don't want to draw any conclusions from testing. It's difficult to talk about real potential of teams - they are hiding some things before the season. Though, Ferrari indeed looks impressive. What do you think about Hamilton words that in season start they aren't ready to compete for the wins? For me it looks like sandbagging, something similar like ''Bono, my tires is gone''
Can't believe that season starts next week, can't wait for it.

Everyone is expecting a great performance from Ferrari this year and so am I.
I do believe that they will do much better than in previous seasons, but in fact I have doubts if in just one season they will be able to achieve the same performance that a Mercedes car has.

Looking forward to the start of the season, I hope it will be as hot as the last one.

[Cnut237]

OK, f1 tests are done, and don't look at timers.

From GPS data we should have this ranking at the start of the season.

1 Redbull
2 Mercedes
3 Ferrari

The gap should be under 0.3/10

So nothing should be compromised unless one team will use an unveiled secret next week.

You really think Mercedes will be faster than Ferrari? I know Mercedes are notorious for sand-bagging, but it did look to me like they were struggling a bit. The porpoising was affecting them more than most, and they definitely had some over-steer issues. I don't think that was all to mislead people, they do seem to have a few problems. If they come out in normal dominant form in the first race, I will be really surprised.