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December 19, 2012, 08:45:23 PM
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Does the atomic car exist only because there are some rumors and renderings?
Rumors? If Toyota claims to have developed an atomic car, revealed concepts at autoshows, reveals exact drawings and recreations, and lists pricing and technical information, can you still call it little more than a rumor?

If Toyota had the same crappy reputation as BFL I would strongly doubt they can develop an atomic car.

From the things you mentioned BFL has only revealed the pricing.
No concepts,  no exact drawings, no technical information (and no - "it's in 65nm" and "it's about about 1Watt/Gh" and "unicorn blood" is no exact technical information).

If you want to know how this information could look like please take a look here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=120184.msg1381739#msg1381739

If Toyota had people like you dedicated to shitting all over their brand name, I'm sure their reputation would suffer as well.

Concepts: They have released renderings of their chip and the heatsink.
Exact drawings: They have released photos of both their assembled board AND the case(s) they will be in.
Technical information: They have given technical information, beyond just "65nm @ 1GH/W". Going by your reasoning, when Apple releases a new Macbook that "claims" to have wifi, but they don't release what chipset they are using, they must be lying to us!

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December 19, 2012, 09:06:56 PM
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If Toyota had people like you dedicated to shitting all over their brand name, I'm sure their reputation would suffer as well.

You are too kind to me Smiley

IMHO it's not me that's responsible for BFLs crappy reputation - it's BFLs long history of deceiving the community, their deviation of specification vs. real product (their FPGAs performed a lot worse than planned), their constantly delayed shipping dates.


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Concepts: They have released renderings of their chip and the heatsink.

Wow ... they have released a black box with a BFL logo on it. You call that a concept?
And a rendering of a chip? Really useful stuff! Let me guess how this looks like: A black, square thingy with lots of silver pins? Surely no other chip on this planet looks like that  Wink





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Exact drawings: They have released photos of both their assembled board AND the case(s) they will be in.

They have released photos of a PCB. And they have released photos of some chips/ASICs. Month ago. The ASICs - as we all know, and even confirmed by BFL, don't exist as per today. So what do those photos tell you?  Right - all fake.


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Technical information: They have given technical information, beyond just "65nm @ 1GH/W".

Go on then - prove me wrong. Tell me some of those technical informations (and no - "it has a USB port" is no technical information).

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December 19, 2012, 09:15:24 PM
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Damn I can't wait until Jan/Feb/Mar when someone has finally released an ASIC and all this crap goes away.

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December 19, 2012, 09:17:38 PM
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Damn I can't wait until Jan/Feb/Mar when someone has finally released an ASIC and all this crap goes away.

Me too!!! Cheesy

By the way ... did you mean 2013 or 2014?

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December 19, 2012, 09:27:10 PM
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Damn I can't wait until Jan/Feb/Mar when someone has finally released an ASIC and all this crap goes away.

So .... what are you going to do for light entertainment then?

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December 19, 2012, 09:29:38 PM
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IMHO it's not me that's responsible for BFLs crappy reputation - it's BFLs long history of deceiving the community, their deviation of specification vs. real product (their FPGAs performed a lot worse than planned), their constantly delayed shipping dates.

Ridiculous...it's all you. Wink

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December 19, 2012, 09:33:11 PM
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If Toyota had the same crappy reputation as BFL I would strongly doubt they can develop an atomic car.
You are too kind to me Smiley
You misquoted me. That's actually your quote, not mine.

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Concepts: They have released renderings of their chip and the heatsink.
Wow ... they have released a black box with a BFL logo on it. You call that a concept?
And a rendering of a chip? Really useful stuff! Let me guess how this looks like: A black, square thingy with lots of silver pins? Surely no other chip on this planet looks like that  Wink
I meant render of their board. http://codinginmysleep.com/first-look-at-bfls-asic-hardware/

A hell of a lot better than Tom's render of his board. Ya, his was literally a giant green square with 16 little black squares.

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Exact drawings: They have released photos of both their assembled board AND the case(s) they will be in.
They have released photos of a PCB. And they have released photos of some chips/ASICs. Month ago. The ASICs - as we all know, and even confirmed by BFL, don't exist as per today. So what do those photos tell you?  Right - all fake.
Right, they have had photos of their boards for months now. How does that = fake to you? The fact that those boards had prop chips is no surprise to anyone, as if they had chips back then, they'd be shipping back then. You're making mountains out of molehills.

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Technical information: They have given technical information, beyond just "65nm @ 1GH/W".
Go on then - prove me wrong. Tell me some of those technical informations (and no - "it has a USB port" is no technical information).
I'm about to leave work, and that would require some time to dig them all up, but I'll get back to you. IIRC, they did release their die size, no?

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December 19, 2012, 09:42:47 PM
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A hell of a lot better than Tom's render of his board. Ya, his was literally a giant green square with 16 little black squares.

Oh please god, no. Not again one of those "BFL sucks but the others suck too" statements. Inaba does this all the time. Do you asshamsters have to copy him all the time?

(for the record: Tom's render sucks indeed!)


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Technical information: They have given technical information, beyond just "65nm @ 1GH/W".
Go on then - prove me wrong. Tell me some of those technical informations (and no - "it has a USB port" is no technical information).
I'm about to leave work, and that would require some time to dig them all up, but I'll get back to you. IIRC, they did release their die size, no?

I assume it will take you forever. But never mind - I had expected nothing different from you asshamsters ...

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It would be nice if BFL had this information all in none place. They do have a web page, no? Wink

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December 19, 2012, 09:44:01 PM
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Not too worried about who draws a prettier picture. I want to buy from the guy that ships the most for the least the soonest.

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December 19, 2012, 09:48:40 PM
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Not too worried about who draws a prettier picture. I want to buy from the guy that ships the most for the least the soonest.

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December 19, 2012, 10:10:12 PM
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SOMEBODY FUCKING SHIP SO THESE ASSHOLES STOP TROLLING EACH OTHER BACK AND FORTH

I'm just going to keep repeating "it's an Altera HardCopy" because I haven't the slightest clue what I'm talking about.
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December 19, 2012, 10:32:29 PM
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Why it's hilarious Smiley

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December 19, 2012, 11:03:23 PM
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Damn I can't wait until Jan/Feb/Mar when someone has finally released an ASIC and all this crap goes away.

Amen!  Oh wait that's religious.  How about FUCK YEAH!!  Cheesy

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December 19, 2012, 11:45:24 PM
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So if the car doesn't start when you put the key in and turn it, do you no longer call it a car?  If someone has removed the battery, it's no longer a car?

Nope, I'd still call it a car. Though I may amend that and call it a...crappy car. Smiley

Is a BFL Single SC a Single SC without ASIC chips? Is a car a car if it has no motor?
I'd say a car can still be a car without a motor, though a more accurate description might be "self propelled vehicle".

I'm not trying to claim that BFL ASICS do, in fact, exist.  I am simply trying to dispell the belief that an ASIC must have hashed on the main network before it exists.  That's just bad logic.  It obviously exists moments before it hashes on the main network.

Hmmm. I'd like a definition of "moments". What length of time is a "moment"? If it's further divisible by any amount, could the hashing device have not existed only in that shorter time frame? The length of a moment becomes a moving target which, at it's limit, equals zero. So an  an object simply cannot exist (with respect to the network ) for any appreciable time before it hashes. From the perspective of the network, ASIC hashing devices are simply spontaneously generated.

I have discovered a truly marvelous proof of this, which this thread is too narrow to contain.


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Is that an African or European swallow?

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December 20, 2012, 03:06:42 AM
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Oh please god, no. Not again one of those "BFL sucks but the others suck too" statements. Inaba does this all the time. Do you asshamsters have to copy him all the time?

But if they cant do that what is Inaba and his numerous sock puppets supposed to use for their BFL blogs ?

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December 20, 2012, 03:22:06 AM
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Damn I can't wait until Jan/Feb/Mar when someone has finally released an ASIC and all this crap goes away.

So .... what are you going to do for light entertainment then?
Juggle mangoes.

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December 20, 2012, 03:33:00 AM
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Damn I can't wait until Jan/Feb/Mar when someone has finally released an ASIC and all this crap goes away.

So .... what are you going to do for light entertainment then?
Juggle mangoes.

Juggle hairy mangoes? Where I'm from we call that pocket billiards.

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December 20, 2012, 03:41:47 AM
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Damn I can't wait until Jan/Feb/Mar when someone has finally released an ASIC and all this crap goes away.

So .... what are you going to do for light entertainment then?
Juggle mangoes.

Juggle hairy mangoes? Where I'm from we call that pocket billiards.
Meh, I've spent enough time in QLD to only associate mangoes with nice food and not genital jokes Tongue
I'll go back to thinking of mangoes how I always have ...

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December 20, 2012, 03:44:06 AM
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They have released photos of a PCB. And they have released photos of some chips/ASICs. Month ago. The ASICs - as we all know, and even confirmed by BFL, don't exist as per today.

This all raises an interesting question.

Ostensibly BFL is working hard on making their ASIC products, and they have produced a very real looking PCB.

But what if Nasser is pulling a fast one on the rest of the company, and instead of developing an ASIC, he's been pocketing the dev funds and stringing them along.  He's probably pretty insulated half a world away in France.  Clock buffers, anyone?

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