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December 24, 2016, 02:45:42 PM
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what are legitimate concerns about Ether

Total coin supply is unknown
Will PoS actually work?
They hard-forked and re-wrote history on the blockchain causing a split
So many ICOs have milked the community...will they dump and drive price down?
ETH has not made a single useful DAPP to date
Lots of attack surfaces and they have had non-stop issues for the last 6+ months needing forks and patches etc..


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December 27, 2016, 02:43:29 PM
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what are legitimate concerns about Ether

Total coin supply is unknown
Will PoS actually work?
They hard-forked and re-wrote history on the blockchain causing a split
So many ICOs have milked the community...will they dump and drive price down?
ETH has not made a single useful DAPP to date
Lots of attack surfaces and they have had non-stop issues for the last 6+ months needing forks and patches etc..




I heard bank santander is using the Ethereum block chain.

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December 30, 2016, 08:37:18 AM
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what are legitimate concerns about Ether

Total coin supply is unknown
Will PoS actually work?
They hard-forked and re-wrote history on the blockchain causing a split
So many ICOs have milked the community...will they dump and drive price down?
ETH has not made a single useful DAPP to date
Lots of attack surfaces and they have had non-stop issues for the last 6+ months needing forks and patches etc..


I heard bank santander is using the Ethereum block chain.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/devcon2-santander-ethercamp-building-bridges-between-bank-accounts-ethereum-1582242

Spanish banking giant Santander is making a bold move in the direction of Ethereum by creating a way to tie bank accounts and fiat currency to tokens on the Turing complete blockchain system.

Demonstrating this innovation was the bank's partner within the Ethereum community, EtherCamp, which has been building out the Ethereum Javascript environment for past couple of years, among other things.

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The first use case of the Santander/EtherCamp CashEth project is micropayments, so leveraging the agility of the Ethereum blockchain to pay tiny amounts to read newspaper articles with zero fees, recorded on the blockchain.

Roman Mandeleil lead developer of EtherCamp told IBTimes UK: "It's a way of using a Santander bank account to convert fiat currency into tokens to be used on Ethereum."

Mandeleil showed how a Santander bank account will provide a button which creates an Ethereum account. "In this bank account you are going to have a parallel Ethereum account on Ethereum network. So Santander is going to know about this so it is going to be tied.

"It gives them a very nice way to do features. One of those is going to be to take dollars, put them in frozen account, and give you an amount of tokens that is backed by this reserve.

"So it's not a gold reserve but it's a dollar reserve. So you are going to upload these tokens into the blockchain and you are going to have the stability of real dollars or euros. And you are going to have the agility of Ethereum blockchain," he said.

Anything that comes close to connecting public blockchains with banks is going to face a ton of regulation. Mandeleil explained that Santander had been working with his team for nine months looking at things like regulation.

"Their legal staff was like – this is going to be difficult. But they got excited and actually start to work with the regulators. They are going to start in one country and you are going to see the system live. There are questions for regulators and we solved some of them, not all of them."

Mandeleil said Santander has been opening all the APIs in the bank for his team to ensure regulatory compliance. "It's not easy; it involves IT guys inside banks. They have given us these kind of bridges. We cannot say which country this will be rolled out in. Banco Santander started in Spain but it's much bigger. They have several options.

In terms of timing, Mandeleil said he wants to see it live next year, adding that he is flying to Madrid after DevCon to continue working with Santander. "We were talking about months but with banks it is difficult," he said.

The next step is to open an API for the system, for developers. "Because we don't want to develop all the features, we want them to develop whatever they want."

He added: "I'm a libertarian guy but I see that we really need this. The movement of blockchains is going one way and banks are also moving towards blockchain - these movements are going to meet somewhere. We are working on both because built Ethereum infrastructure and now we are working with banks."

Santander, which is sponsoring DevCon2, is establishing itself as one of the foremost innovators across all areas of blockchain. The bank has been a long time champion of Ripple and the ways it can connect interbank payments across borders.

The CashEth project is being overseen by Julio Faura, head of R&D at the bank and John Whelan director of Santander's Blockchain Lab, so something of a seasoned blockchain team.

More recently, Santander joined UBS as a backer of London-based Clearmatics (which creates a clearing system based on the Ethereum Virtual Machine) and the Utility Settlement Coin project, which is bringing central bank cash a step closer to blockchain.

Faura told IBTimes: "Of course there are regulatory issues, not linked to Ethereum per se, but linked to the idea of using a distributed ledger as a store of record for segregation of accounts, that is one topic. And also about privacy and so on. So these are things that we are working to solve with compliance people."

Faura clarified this has nothing to do with linking bank accounts to a cryptocurrency like Bitcoin. He said it was tokens backed by a Santender bank account. "This could be the bank or it could be some other kind of licence and the idea is this entity would back, would be guaranteeing if you want, those tokens by having a deposit at the bank level.

"There are other approaches. You know that we are present in the Settlement Coin project. It is similar but more serious; it's more up-scale in the sense it is intended to work as a pseudo-central bank. The deposits will be in central bank accounts.

"Here, we are just talking about regular bank account. We are talking about micropayments, small scale. Settlement coin is to settle trades between financial institutions and bigger amounts of money."

So Santander seems to be pivoting in the direction of Ethereum, one way or another. Faura, who holds a PhD in computer science and likes building smart contracts on Ethereum, said: "I think Ethereum is very interesting. It's a very well run project and the possibilities are bigger. Block times, for example, help in many of these projects we want to innovate on. It would be unfeasible if we did it on top of Bitcoin blockchain."

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December 30, 2016, 08:54:28 AM
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Hi everyone, I've been around for a while now.. 
I've seen a lot of posts positive and negative about Ethereum.

At the moment I am holding Bitcoins, but I have invested in some Ether as well.

Now I am wondering, what are legitimate concerns about Ether (except for IPO, as I've already read this in a lot of posts).

So can anyone bring real other issues to the table, to enlighten me (and maybe a lot of other readers?)

Thanks!
Actually fall and down and change in any coin ( wether is fiat or cryptocurrency ) is a natural things .
Well I found 2 days ago that ETH is at very low price for one month Down record , After see this I made buy and it was just magic to increase price slowly but good .
I Also found that after Bitcoin Bitcoiner are using ETH as cryptocurrency  & find it successful Coin  in online market .
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 #446

what are legitimate concerns about Ether

Total coin supply is unknown
Will PoS actually work?
They hard-forked and re-wrote history on the blockchain causing a split
So many ICOs have milked the community...will they dump and drive price down?
ETH has not made a single useful DAPP to date
Lots of attack surfaces and they have had non-stop issues for the last 6+ months needing forks and patches etc..


I heard bank santander is using the Ethereum block chain.

.....


Roman Mandeleil lead developer of EtherCamp told IBTimes UK: "It's a way of using a Santander bank account to convert fiat currency into tokens to be used on Ethereum."
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Nothing will happen to Ethereum ...

Security gap in Ethereum.org Forum Database on December 19th
Price fluctuation, fall related to it
These are scare policies, want your hands free


All of the assets listed above work over etherum. Wings is added to new new assets like Chronobank. After bitcoin, the first eth comes out of crypto people think .. Ethereum is not easy to do after the foundation or the team has done something very wrong.


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December 30, 2016, 10:25:10 AM
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Actually fall and down and change in any coin ( wether is fiat or cryptocurrency ) is a natural things .
Well I found 2 days ago that ETH is at very low price for one month Down record , After see this I made buy and it was just magic to increase price slowly but good .

ethereum's pumps have always been good to all of us, you just have to find that bottom which is very hard sometimes, and then buy and wait for the pump to come and sell on top.
i have done it so many times that i lost count, i owe many of my bitcoins to eth profits.

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I Also found that after Bitcoin Bitcoiner are using ETH as cryptocurrency  & find it successful Coin  in online market .

who? what?, can you elaborate?

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December 30, 2016, 02:22:06 PM
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Ethereum is a bad coin, the price is drowning, it used to be good before the hardfork, now the price is under value and keep on decreasing, but there is still hopes in eth, eventhough it is drowning but it is still one of the coin with a lot of transaction, but i still wont risk my money for eth
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January 02, 2017, 12:04:08 PM
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Ethereum is a bad coin, the price is drowning, it used to be good before the hardfork, now the price is under value and keep on decreasing, but there is still hopes in eth, eventhough it is drowning but it is still one of the coin with a lot of transaction, but i still wont risk my money for eth

If you do not like it, you can buy ETC.
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January 02, 2017, 12:46:03 PM
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Ethereum is a bad coin, the price is drowning, it used to be good before the hardfork, now the price is under value and keep on decreasing, but there is still hopes in eth, eventhough it is drowning but it is still one of the coin with a lot of transaction, but i still wont risk my money for eth

nothing is new here. this is the route all other altcoins before ethereum has also taken. they come in hot and get pumped real hard and then they run out of air and slowly start to go down and after a year or so disappear completely. in case of ethereum i think it would take longer but we'll get there.

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January 02, 2017, 12:49:12 PM
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Ethereum is a bad coin, the price is drowning, it used to be good before the hardfork, now the price is under value and keep on decreasing, but there is still hopes in eth, eventhough it is drowning but it is still one of the coin with a lot of transaction, but i still wont risk my money for eth

If you do not like it, you can buy ETC.

How about just buy neither, the time has passed. These coins are history.
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January 02, 2017, 04:00:42 PM
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what are legitimate concerns about Ether

Total coin supply is unknown
Will PoS actually work?
They hard-forked and re-wrote history on the blockchain causing a split
So many ICOs have milked the community...will they dump and drive price down?
ETH has not made a single useful DAPP to date
Lots of attack surfaces and they have had non-stop issues for the last 6+ months needing forks and patches etc..


I heard bank santander is using the Ethereum block chain.

.....


Roman Mandeleil lead developer of EtherCamp told IBTimes UK: "It's a way of using a Santander bank account to convert fiat currency into tokens to be used on Ethereum."

Mandeleil showed how a Santander bank account will provide a button which creates an Ethereum account. "In this bank account you are going to have a parallel Ethereum account on Ethereum network. So Santander is going to know about this so it is going to be tied.

"It gives them a very nice way to do features. One of those is going to be to take dollars, put them in frozen account, and give you an amount of tokens that is backed by this reserve.

"So it's not a gold reserve but it's a dollar reserve. So you are going to upload these tokens into the blockchain and you are going to have the stability of real dollars or euros. And you are going to have the agility of Ethereum blockchain," he said.

Anything that comes close to connecting public blockchains with banks is going to face a ton of regulation. Mandeleil explained that Santander had been working with his team for nine months looking at things like regulation.

"Their legal staff was like – this is going to be difficult. But they got excited and actually start to work with the regulators. They are going to start in one country and you are going to see the system live. There are questions for regulators and we solved some of them, not all of them."

Mandeleil said Santander has been opening all the APIs in the bank for his team to ensure regulatory compliance. "It's not easy; it involves IT guys inside banks. They have given us these kind of bridges. We cannot say which country this will be rolled out in. Banco Santander started in Spain but it's much bigger. They have several options.

In terms of timing, Mandeleil said he wants to see it live next year, adding that he is flying to Madrid after DevCon to continue working with Santander. "We were talking about months but with banks it is difficult," he said.

The next step is to open an API for the system, for developers. "Because we don't want to develop all the features, we want them to develop whatever they want."

He added: "I'm a libertarian guy but I see that we really need this. The movement of blockchains is going one way and banks are also moving towards blockchain - these movements are going to meet somewhere. We are working on both because built Ethereum infrastructure and now we are working with banks."

Santander, which is sponsoring DevCon2, is establishing itself as one of the foremost innovators across all areas of blockchain. The bank has been a long time champion of Ripple and the ways it can connect interbank payments across borders.

The CashEth project is being overseen by Julio Faura, head of R&D at the bank and John Whelan director of Santander's Blockchain Lab, so something of a seasoned blockchain team.

More recently, Santander joined UBS as a backer of London-based Clearmatics (which creates a clearing system based on the Ethereum Virtual Machine) and the Utility Settlement Coin project, which is bringing central bank cash a step closer to blockchain.



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So Santander seems to be pivoting in the direction of Ethereum, one way or another. Faura, who holds a PhD in computer science and likes building smart contracts on Ethereum, said: "I think Ethereum is very interesting. It's a very well run project and the possibilities are bigger. Block times, for example, help in many of these projects we want to innovate on. It would be unfeasible if we did it on top of Bitcoin blockchain."

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Nothing will happen to Ethereum ...

Security gap in Ethereum.org Forum Database on December 19th
Price fluctuation, fall related to it
These are scare policies, want your hands free


All of the assets listed above work over etherum. Wings is added to new new assets like Chronobank. After bitcoin, the first eth comes out of crypto people think .. Ethereum is not easy to do after the foundation or the team has done something very wrong.




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest_funded_crowdfunding_projects

The DAO is the worst thing in the ether history.

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January 03, 2017, 10:49:23 AM
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Etereum has lost its trust because they hard forked and it led to the introduction of ethereum classic. It has not shown any tremendous performance during last year. Monero would be a better choice than ethereum in the upcoming year 2017.
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Etereum has lost its trust because they hard forked and it led to the introduction of ethereum classic. It has not shown any tremendous performance during last year. Monero would be a better choice than ethereum in the upcoming year 2017.
you think it will be better withou any hardforkes and with some troubles? devs are working, technologi is good and useful, there are a lot of things, that work on eth, strong capitalisation. ETH is good coin. it is strange and funny that when ETH go up everyone cryied - the best coin ever. and now, when we have some problems everyone cryied - hate ETH, it is awful.
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January 03, 2017, 12:28:19 PM
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They hard-forked and re-wrote history on the blockchain causing a split

If this was a serious concern, ETC's market capitalization would have been more than ETH.
People still trust the original development team, although ETC is slowly acquiring a fan following.


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January 03, 2017, 06:34:48 PM
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They hard-forked and re-wrote history on the blockchain causing a split

If this was a serious concern, ETC's market capitalization would have been more than ETH.
People still trust the original development team, although ETC is slowly acquiring a fan following.

That is right. People do not like hack coin ETC.
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January 03, 2017, 11:27:03 PM
 #457

They hard-forked and re-wrote history on the blockchain causing a split

If this was a serious concern, ETC's market capitalization would have been more than ETH.
People still trust the original development team, although ETC is slowly acquiring a fan following.

That is right. People do not like hack coin ETC.
That hack Coin is the ETC Criminal Coin.

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January 04, 2017, 01:33:21 PM
 #458

They hard-forked and re-wrote history on the blockchain causing a split

If this was a serious concern, ETC's market capitalization would have been more than ETH.
People still trust the original development team, although ETC is slowly acquiring a fan following.

That is right. People do not like hack coin ETC.
That hack Coin is the ETC Criminal Coin.

Some pumpers or scammers like the ETC.
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January 04, 2017, 02:00:49 PM
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99% of people that like / invest in ETC are mostly people that never owned any ETH. So they've seen it as an investment opportunity, thinking it can follow ETH in price. Most of them were burned by barry shilbert & whales.
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January 04, 2017, 04:40:41 PM
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99% of people that like / invest in ETC are mostly people that never owned any ETH. So they've seen it as an investment opportunity, thinking it can follow ETH in price. Most of them were burned by barry shilbert & whales.

The price of ETC will drop relative to ETH in the long term.
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