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June 12, 2011, 12:20:31 PM
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Why don't you eat your own dogfood and require people to pay a nominal BTC fee to prove they're not spammers?
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June 12, 2011, 12:26:24 PM
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Better introduce a fee 0.01 BTC and hire an army of mods to deal with spam
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June 12, 2011, 12:27:26 PM
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Dam I'm stupid! I checked up on bitcoinewbie thinking oneforall was a throwaway account or something, but the mofo has got alot of good posts as oneforall as well, check out his past posts. I for one hope he makes another account and keeps on posting, if he doesn't already have more made..
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June 12, 2011, 12:29:40 PM
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I feel like a rat in a cage lol. I'm not hating thought. The community seems pretty cool. Worth it.
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June 12, 2011, 12:31:15 PM
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Suggestion:

What about creating sub forums in the newbie section

A newbie mining sub-forum would catch all the "what PSU do i buy" posts

A newbie> merchant forum to help new merchants

etc.



This sounds like a decent idea. Either way, I'll make 50 at some point. Smiley
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June 12, 2011, 12:31:37 PM
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Perhaps people might be more willing to consider this proposal now, in light of recent events?

I generally agree with what Jessy Kang has written, however the problem that needed to be addressed was that a lot of the newcomers were abusive.  It's fine to be skeptical, but a level of civility still needs to be maintained.  We don't want the Greater Internet Fuckwads driving away the genuinely curious and interested newcomers (along with everyone else, for that matter).

Unfortunately, a lot of libertarians (the dominant faction around here) feel the need to apply "laissez faire" to forum moderation policy, so I expect getting anything like this implemented will be an uphill battle.
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June 12, 2011, 12:34:45 PM
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Pretty obvious this promotes trolling. Small price I guess but avoidable in my opinion.
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June 12, 2011, 12:38:10 PM
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Thank you king. I do have more accounts and I will make more accounts, and I cannot and will not be stopped, I don't know why the viciousness from the admin(the only thing i can gather is that they don't like being told their policies are flawed), but what they want is irrelevant, they can delete accounts, posts, block my IPs, but i will continue to speak my voice, and I will be heard. Oh, and this is kind of cute, if i do say so myself  Wink

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfmnGFDRkBI

enjoy  Smiley
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June 12, 2011, 12:38:55 PM
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As long as their agenda is served, they will do anything for anyone, under any circumstances to make bitcoin a success.

If the owners of the BitCoin.org website are committed to protecting prices at the expense of open dialog, and those same people have a large vested financial interest in concealing any flaws that may come to light, and stifling dialog- then that is a business not an Open Source Project.

In their defense the people making this decision went from having hobby, to having serous business interests- arguably worth millions of dollars within a VERY short period of time. I imagine it's hard to suddenly have that much money and still maintain your lofty convictions, or patiently ignore the forum settings while poster after poster write statements that threaten your newly acquired wealth- I've never been in that position so who am I do say I'd do better or show more restraint?

I do know that the foundation of Bitcoin, and the very reason for what success it has seen *is* lofty convictions. Bitcoins, and the philosophy behind them were never pragmatic, convenient or easy- but they were popular because we believed them to be right, fair and just.

Now that they are worth real money, the people holding Bitcoins and in a position to exercise influence over their prices, are making the same pragmatic decisions people with money always make to protect their interests. It was these same pragmatic "if you don't like it you can leave" decisions, that cause them to flock to Bitcoin in the first place.

Openness and marketable are always a problematic balance with any open source project, but Bitcoin was far from out of the woods, with a precious few merchants on board when the project heads decided, (somewhat over optimistically IMHO) to pull up the drawbridge. I think it's a mistake to try to have new adopters "jump the moat"- no matter how good your instructions, stickys and FAQ.

People just don't have a reason to jump the moat because what's in your castle is only appealing if it's convenient. You may feel Bitcoin is so awesome that people don't mind being locked into a demeaning, useless "Newbie" account for 50 posts- but really they are never going to think it's as awesome as you do because they won't stick around that long. If they don't stick around, if they don't join the Bitcoin community- because their posts would be "inconvenient" to experienced members and require unwanted scrolling, then those same members can't complain about volatility or the lack of adoption.

Inconvenient Bitcoin has value only as a novelty- and is not particularly compelling to merchants or buyers. The decision to pull up the bridge to protect short term prices and new found wealth, will in the long run do a huge amount of damage because you can't sustain Bitcoin simply as an investment medium among a select group of early adopters selling back and forth to each other.

But hey, based on the logical, articulate, well reasoned responses to our specific concerns that our Bitcoin Masters have handed down from their lofty perches explaining their dictates- I'm sure have it totally wrong Wink
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June 12, 2011, 12:39:45 PM
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I like it. Do it.
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June 12, 2011, 12:41:25 PM
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We're not censoring you. Everybody can still see your posts; they're just easier to avoid.

If other (understand non-marginalized) users were really going to read all the messages inluding those of the newbie forum, there would be no need for a separate newbie forum in first place.
The corrolary is that messages posted in the newbie forum are in a dead end and will never reach their intended audience.
That's called censorship.

You don't serve bitcoin doing that.
Actually, you may already be ruining the business of other established participants whose services cater to new comers or casual investors.
For instance, the pools are massively relying on a regular flow of new comers, who by definition tend to have a variety of technical problems to get their rig up and running. If you don't let the new comers join the mining threads of these pools, they may never manage to get their rig running, and the pools and the bitcoin network altogether will bear a serious opportunity loss.

This is really the lamest moderation policy I have seen ever.
You are breeding a generation of angry trolls that are only going to play it nice for 50 messages until they are allowed to post somewhere else.

There are much better ways of getting the same result without resorting to totalitarian methods like censorship.
For instance, put a system of notation like it is the case on slashdot, and collapse automatically the messages that have been flagged as spam by the community.

I can only hope that you'll be smart enough to reconsidere the question and waive this stupid policy before most of the damage is done.
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June 12, 2011, 12:51:50 PM
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Perhaps people might be more willing to consider this proposal now, in light of recent events?

It was a great start- and in the spirit of open source. Any struggle or dialog to create a final version would have been well worth it. If a faster, more expedient solution was absolutely required it could have easily been accomplished simply by creating a poll giving a few options and asking the community how they wanted to deal with the problem. Furthermore this would have preserved the perceived impartiality of the project heads.

Instead they saw prices plummet and started carving rules into stone tablets to hand down to the peasants Grin
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June 12, 2011, 12:52:57 PM
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Yeah it's lame but completely understandable that something needed to be done because the sheer weight of newbies will swamp the forum.  That includes idiots, trolls (plenty of those on the main board anyway) and people with interesting opinions.  The forum model does not work well anyway imo when a community reaches a certain size.
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June 12, 2011, 12:57:10 PM
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I really don't mind it much. One day I will be free to roam the like a free range chicken.
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June 12, 2011, 01:03:47 PM
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 Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin mmm KFC...
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June 12, 2011, 01:04:50 PM
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Great idea!
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June 12, 2011, 01:07:05 PM
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Great idea, I think 0.01BTC is too low amount, $10 equivalent maybe or more

www.ecurrency.ec - ecurrency blog (bitcoin, etc)
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June 12, 2011, 01:08:49 PM
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You now need only 4 hours of online time plus 5 posts to become established. 8 hours seemed a little hard to get -- it might take some people several days.

The massive troll attack yesterday was really quite exciting to watch.
Luckily I have a brain.
I think you under-estimate the intelligence of the "newbie".
I have been reading here for a couple of days and it was quite obvious to me that this was a planned attack to drive down the price of BTC.
Why should I post when I do not really have anything to say?
Thankfully it's only 5 posts now instead of 25.
I really wanted to respond to something in the off topic section. (Send out your Women)
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June 12, 2011, 01:10:13 PM
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account. Just stumbled across this and figured I'd do my part to help save this guy's

Look : if I am mining with pool xyz and there is a technical issue I want to raise to the pool operator, or if I found a bug in the bitcoin client and I want to report it, or if I am wanting to do business in the market forum, how am I going to do that now?
Unless you prove to us that you know the basics, you'd just be wasting those people's time. Don't worry, we can help you here.

yeah, relevant questions getting answered won't be a problem, if it is beyond the expertise of the other noobs in here then your post will be passed on. honestly, 4 hours ago i thought this was very gay, but think about this, after you do your time here, you will think twice about posting bs in the serious forum, b/c if your account gets clipped you have to start all over with a new account.

maybe try think of it like this, take whatever it is that you spend most of your time doing, whatever YOU are the expert at, now imagine you are having a complex dialogue on the subject and then in walks 1000s of 2 yr olds screaming like crazy about stuff that you learned your first couple weeks into the field. you would  hire some babysitters and go to another room as well, somewhere where you could hear yourself think...

i actually just made myself think that maybe a new secret invite only forum would be nice for the pros, but then again they prolly already have that and we just don't know about it..
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June 12, 2011, 01:14:55 PM
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I dont post, and im not a troll :-D ..PLEASE set me free!

same here!!!
This is bogus.
It "feels" like Government Intervention. Huh
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