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June 12, 2011, 08:48:12 AM
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and that is where-in lies the problem, not all the mods are willing to see views that disagree with this new policy as acceptable, i posted a similar sentiment 5 hours ago as allforone(maybe oneforall - they are both mine) and swiftly had my account banished by a mod.

i surely hope that mod, whoever it was, has or will be dealt with and will have the dangers of censorship explained to them.
Unfortunately, if the account was banned, that means that it was one of the old mods, which is unfortunate. I support you completely that censorship should be avoided.

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June 12, 2011, 08:48:34 AM
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i agree. this is ****ing ******ed.
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June 12, 2011, 08:48:42 AM
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its is not about spam at all

its designed to limit exposure and silencet those bitcoin disagrees with.

these people usually post under newer identities.

it was desigend so that silk road gets less exposure here.

of course, bitcoin will do anything to increase legitimacy and the chances someone will invest the funds they need to progress.

... even if that means selling out themsleves and freedom and liberty to the gov, CIA, intelligence community ... anyone or anything to progress bitcoin.

and who says everyone cant be bought =)

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June 12, 2011, 08:49:25 AM
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I as a newbie am kind of disappointed, cause i read the discussions in these forums for a while and now would like to respond. Created an account but now I'm not allowed to post.

Unfortunately I guess I can't provide some references as I am new to the scene (as an active member).

Anyway I will not stop following these nice boards.

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June 12, 2011, 08:49:28 AM
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Have you thought of why people were willing to pay up to $30 per Bitcoin?

I wonder if it has anything to do with rampart advertising around internet forums how investing in Bitcoin is guaranteed to bring great profits because it's built to have no inflation?

I'm not saying the people who invented Bitcoin made it a ponzi but I'm pretty sure some people holding huge amounts of Bitcoins were going around the internet advertising Bitcoin to drive the price up and cash in. IMHO that makes the current bubble some kind of "decentralized ponzi".

Good thing about this is that the insane price has caused some of the hoarders to give up their Bitcoins but I fear that even if this widened the Bitcoin ownerbase it has also created a lot of distrust in Bitcoin and it will slow down the actual process of stores and services adopting Bitcoin as currency.
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June 12, 2011, 08:50:20 AM
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how are we supposed to buy and sell?
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June 12, 2011, 08:51:09 AM
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Couldn't agree more.

fyi - it is difficult to tell what it is you agree with without a quote preceding your agreeity.

I agree with everything in the OP (I didnt want to quote the whole post).

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June 12, 2011, 08:51:44 AM
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...50 Useful Posts.

this so totally does absolutely definetly NOT result in useful posts by any stretch of the imagination, it has a clearly predictable opposite effect. though this may work -

http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=15648.0
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June 12, 2011, 08:51:58 AM
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Couldn't agree more.

fyi - it is difficult to tell what it is you agree with without a quote preceding your agreeity.

I agree with everything in the OP (I didnt want to quote the whole post).

You should read the other posts too.

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June 12, 2011, 08:52:28 AM
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You created this system because people were annoyed talking to all the new guys.
You forced all of the new guys to talk to each other for at least 50 posts before they can talk to anyone else.
You allow 1 post per ip per 60 seconds.

So now I have to deal with all the annoying troll-ass newbies for at LEAST an hour, before I can post to the "real" forums?

Thanks. You made your problem mine.
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June 12, 2011, 08:52:49 AM
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Hmm.. Well I have to admit I'm somewhat ambivalent about this. While I accept that something had to be done to address the trolling issue, I have my reservations about the post count method of evaluation. I have a habit (in every forum I join) of writing fairly verbose and detailed posts. Their quality may stand on their own merit, but I do like to think I ponder the ideas I am writing about deeply, and give  carefully considered input. I have long disliked any system of merit which is based on credit for post count, as the mass of people who write hardly anything but one liners like "I agree" or short, ill considered posts that require no effort, are prone to earning a better reputation for poor quality input, whether they are spamming/trolling or not. Also, I always end up with a fairly low posting count wherever I go due to my preference for reading a thread right through before I jump in.

Considerate participants, also tend to spend more time browsing or searching, before they interject with ill considered opinions or misconceptions on any topic. For some people the time they spend on a forum, whilst being thoughtful and diligent, is inordinate compared to the average member, although you wouldn't know it from their post count. I cant's say I never jump in with a brief frivolous comment, but on the whole I spend much more time reading, thinking and digesting the ideas on offer, before I post what often turns into a somewhat detailed and lengthly contribution. I have a certain amount to say about a subject and I take whatever time it takes to discuss it with the depth I believe it deserves.

Also I joined this forum over a year ago (before even Gavin Andresen). So being put in the playpen, because of the recent influx of trolls that are nearly all newcomers, it somewhat bemusing. There are those of us who have contributed to ideas being discussed here, for many months and have active threads in which they were still participating. I wonder if this could be done with the restriction being placed on the amount of time the member has been registered for, rather than the post count.

Needles to say, I hope my request to be white-listed will be considered.

PS: I do appreciate that the staff here generally do a great job and deciding how to tackle these little dilemmas is not an easy task. FWIW, I was forum admin on one of the larger boards back in 2006 and  I know that pleasing all the people all the time is simply impossible.  Wink

EDIT: Of course one of the perils of being windy and verbose, is that a problem is often fixed in the time it takes to post about it. Grin
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June 12, 2011, 08:55:07 AM
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Couldn't agree more.

fyi - it is difficult to tell...

I agree with ...OP .

when you click quote it brings it up in the text box and you can cut it down to whatever size you wish.
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June 12, 2011, 08:56:05 AM
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I must add that I feel that current fiat currencies are somewhat legalized ponzi, especially in Europe now. Taxpayers are forced to pay profits of big investors through legistation and so-called bail outs. Inflation is also a form of taxation. Central banks print more money to keep the unhealthy economy going on, this results in inflation and it means that your wages and savings lose their value. Thus central banks and big investors gain value while your work and savings lose it.
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June 12, 2011, 08:56:40 AM
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its is not about spam at all

its designed to limit exposure and silencet those bitcoin disagrees with.

these people usually post under newer identities.

it was desigend so that silk road gets less exposure here.

of course, bitcoin will do anything to increase legitimacy and the chances someone will invest the funds they need to progress.

... even if that means selling out themsleves and freedom and liberty to the gov, CIA, intelligence community ... anyone or anything to progress bitcoin.

and who says everyone cant be bought =)

I dunno.. I think it's a good thing to push out silk road entirely. The seedy underbelly of the internets has been giving Bitcoin a bad name lately, and since nobody OUTSIDE of the Bitcoin community knows what it's *really* all about, they're given to believe whatever MSM tells them. Senator Schumer, for instance.

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June 12, 2011, 08:56:52 AM
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I wonder if this could be done with the restriction being placed on the amount of time the member has been registered for, rather than the post count.

Already done. You are "established".

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June 12, 2011, 08:58:29 AM
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its is not about spam at all

its designed to limit exposure and silencet those bitcoin disagrees with.

these people usually post under newer identities.

it was desigend so that silk road gets less exposure here.

of course, bitcoin will do anything to increase legitimacy and the chances someone will invest the funds they need to progress.

... even if that means selling out themsleves and freedom and liberty to the gov, CIA, intelligence community ... anyone or anything to progress bitcoin.

and who says everyone cant be bought =)

No it is to limit people from doing stuff such as.

1) Fuck you, your retarded. *No reason given

2) 30 posts of sell sell sell, buy buy buy

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its designed to limit exposure and silencet those bitcoin disagrees with.
Yea just like how we have Doors, they are totally meant to subjugate people and not so they can't break into your house.

I was talking to one of the admins and he said in his conversation when I was purposing ideas that he doesn't care what or how something is posted as long as it spurs constructive discussion.

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June 12, 2011, 08:59:32 AM
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You created this system because people were annoyed talking to all the new guys.
You forced all of the new guys to talk to each other for at least 50 posts before they can talk to anyone else.
You allow 1 post per ip per 60 seconds.

So now I have to deal with all the annoying troll-ass newbies for at LEAST an hour, before I can post to the "real" forums?

Thanks. You made your problem mine.

lol, yeah, this can't last. this community is full of too many clever individuals, this decision was a rash decision, eventually the regular posters that are volunteer moding will get sick of it and the actual mods will have to come up with an actual working system or the community will migrate to somewhere that thinks out solutions instead of filling their back pockets with the shit they found in their front pockets.
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June 12, 2011, 09:00:15 AM
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Thanks to some code provided by Disposition, there is now a mix of post count and "time online" requirements. You must have spent 8 hours online and posted 5 posts. This should be easier to do.

I fit that profile and still can't post.

Until that's resolved, could I get whitelisted? I think my prior posts speak for themselves.

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June 12, 2011, 09:00:24 AM
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Speculators- those simply buying Bitcoin to sit on them and do currency exchange, require little support or arbitration. Bitcoin merchants and consumers, those who actually give Bitcoin tangible value do require support and arbitration which under the new rules they are unlikely to receive from experienced users- as those same users will have "Newbie" posts effectively filtered from their online experience. Newbies, for the most part cannot answer Newbie questions- and they are the only ones likely to read them under the current system. Even the moderators of the Newbie section, have on average just four months of experience with Bitcoin.

The Newbie system allows users to be whitelisted if they either "Post Useful Posts" OR "Know the Fundamentals" and that can be accomplished by reading "Beginners Guide".

However, in all honesty how many users are actually going to try and prove that they have a reasonable understanding of Bitcoin and that they are not out here to try and troll/spam the community. I'm only posting here because of my sheer annoyance at the fact I can't post (even though I haven't done anything to the community) in the bitcoins.lc thread where I've found an issue with "unverified funds" column.

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The "Newbie" forum just raised barriers to entry substantially for exactly the kind of non-technical, Average-Joe adopters we want to attract. Certainly I am seriously reevaluating my decision to accept Bitcoin at my facility now that I know my customers are unlikely to receive credible support in their move to the currency.

Average Joes still can read topics they aren't allowed to post in. If they have a question it can be usually answered by other Newbies and the Beginners Guide sticky. If it can't it's most likely either a good post or moderation/old timers can help if all else fails.

Once again, won't there be an influx of the same, repetitive posts here (e.g the ones on this "newbies" forum relating to the fact that we can only post in this part) and I don't want to start a completely new thread about something that's being discussed elsewhere in the forum which would achieve absolutely zilch.

Thanks.
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June 12, 2011, 09:00:26 AM
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if you aks really nicely, you might get on the white list Smiley

or else you can only post here until you reaches 50 post Tongue

it sucks? yes, but it necessarily.

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