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June 12, 2011, 06:39:54 PM
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Maged, just lock threads like these from now on.

Care to define what "threads like this" are? You already tried to lock my thread and then had to back pedal over PM when you realized the other mods were going to leave you flapping in the wind.

If you wish to discuss policy, the stickied thread is for you.

Yes, I notice how you buried my three page, topical thread with multiple articulate posters from multiple points of view- in this 20 page "whitelist me" nightmare. Subtle. Real contribution you are making there Atlas.
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June 12, 2011, 06:44:26 PM
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It is discouraging that the administrator's of this forum favour quantity over quality.  I joined the forum i February, and took time to read what others were posting.  It now comes the time that I have questions and comments that i would like to discuss within the relevant pages and threads.  Instead, I am encouraged to provide 50 irrelevant posts avery 5 minutes before i can be considered worthy of conversing with the "adults" of this forum. 

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June 12, 2011, 06:48:53 PM
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Well, being a newbie, might as well start here!

Such restrictions are not unreasonable.  I imagine this has been brought up before, given this topic has accrued 20 pages, but new members should be expected to demonstrate some sort of commitment to the forum before being allowed to have an impact on discussion, bitcoin trades/games, etc.  This is a forum, after-all, not simply a stepping stone to bitcoins.
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June 12, 2011, 06:50:08 PM
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To test this newbie section I posted a question about connection issues to deepbit. I could connect just fine with 1 card, but with 3 i disconnect constantly.

I posted this question in the noob section. It was quickly pushed off the front page and the only replies I received were from users that also had under 10 posts. They were just posting to post. All of the replies told me to switch pools. not the solution to my problem....
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June 12, 2011, 06:51:55 PM
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To test this newbie section I posted a question about connection issues to deepbit. I could connect just fine with 1 card, but with 3 i disconnect constantly.

I posted this question in the noob section. It was quickly pushed off the front page and the only replies I received were from users that also had under 10 posts. They were just posting to post. All of the replies told me to switch pools. not the solution to my problem....

It actually was. Deepbit got DDoS nothing you could have done would have connected you to them.

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June 12, 2011, 06:53:29 PM
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Instead, I am encouraged to provide 50 irrelevant posts avery 5 minutes before i can be considered worthy of conversing with the "adults" of this forum. 

If the assertion is that non-whitelisted newbies are distracting from the "adult" discussions of the other forums, the problem exacerbates itself here.  New users who want to have discussions are forced to participate in nonsense threads.  Sure, we could start reasonable threads in the newbie section, but the most likely result is that you'll get a series of replies by newbies who are simply trying to reach the magic post count number.  That makes it even less likely that anyone who has permissions to post/read elsewhere is going to bother to reply to a question asked here.
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June 12, 2011, 06:54:24 PM
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Existing merchants already have the numbers, and have the margins that we can afford to take a bit of a risk given that the script will just sit there and get in the black sooner or later. I've gotten interest from some friends in the local Asian business community. The issue is they're a skeptical and sometimes not very tech savvy bunch, and as soon as they hit the Newbie wall they'll lose interest. A forum specifically for merchants would be helpful and beneficial to the Bitcoin community as a whole. I don't think Bitcoin has much of a future unless it's accepted, and the kind of people with the decision making power to accept it just are not going to jump through the hoops that have been put in place.

What about a bitcoin Q&A site with Quora like functionality. Doesn't have to be only merchants, but common questions about BTC get asked, the best answers float to the top, and people could use it as a reference tool that might have more traction than the Wiki.
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June 12, 2011, 07:03:43 PM
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What about a bitcoin Q&A site with Quora like functionality. Doesn't have to be only merchants, but common questions about BTC get asked, the best answers float to the top, and people could use it as a reference tool that might have more traction than the Wiki.

At this point my posts are being buried by Atlas as fast as I can make them- and he seems to have the support of the Mods. No point in continuing to contribute if they will do everything in their power to hide it.
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June 12, 2011, 07:05:18 PM
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I am not trying to censor you. My only goal is to make things clean so information can be accessed easier. We can't always be metaphysical.
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June 12, 2011, 07:09:17 PM
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I am not trying to censor you. My only goal is to make things clean so information can be accessed easier.

Please explain how burying my three page thread in a 28 page thread is "cleaner" or easier to access?

Exactly, it was an attempt to bury the discussion by overwhelming it with chatter- otherwise you would not have tried locking the thread first.
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June 12, 2011, 07:10:49 PM
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I am not trying to censor you. My only goal is to make things clean so information can be accessed easier.

Please explain how burying my three page thread in a 28 page thread is "cleaner" or easier to access?

Exactly, it was an attempt to bury the discussion by overwhelming it with chatter- otherwise you would not have tried locking the thread first.
Metaphysical discussion is not a top priority. We're here to help people with Bitcoin-related issues not what kind of paper it is on. I'm sorry your thread is deep within here but it's with similar discussion.
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June 12, 2011, 07:12:11 PM
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Newb here and look forward to getting more involved in the world of BC.
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June 12, 2011, 07:14:36 PM
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I think people who registered during 2010 should be exempt  Grin
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June 12, 2011, 07:19:16 PM
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Metaphysical discussion is not a top priority. We're here to help people with Bitcoin-related issues not what kind of paper it is on. I'm sorry your thread is deep within here but it's with similar discussion.

First, learn what a word means before you use it: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Metaphysical

Second, you are here to Moderate- to facilitate, not impede conversation. So far, with locking, then burying a relevant, articulate and detailed thread on an entirely different subject you have shown yourself grossly unqualified to Moderate.

You are impairing a substantive conversation because we are forced to try and have it between dozens of irrelevant posts- all while you feebly whine that they are about the same thing and that your the Mod so we have to listen to you.

The best way to moderate is through consensus- not force, and you lost any consensus and support you might have had pages back. Now we're just waiting for the rest of the Mod team to find a nice time and way to break the bad news to you.
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June 12, 2011, 07:24:25 PM
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The damage has been done. I hold some regrets but I wish there was a way to place your posts in the more recent part of the thread. If that was possible, there would be none.

I apologize.
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June 12, 2011, 07:24:33 PM
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Here I am, posting to increase my post count.... That's the purpose of this thread right?

Hell only 40 or so to got before I am considered "worthy"
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June 12, 2011, 07:24:59 PM
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I see my status updated from "newbe" to "Jr. Member" with 2 medals.  does that mean i am now free to post at will, or is there another indicator of such status?
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June 12, 2011, 07:25:30 PM
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Here I am, posting to increase my post count.... That's the purpose of this thread right?

Hell only 40 or so to got before I am considered "worthy"
No. If you have been on here for 4 hours and have 5 posts, you're good.
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June 12, 2011, 07:29:41 PM
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The damage has been done. I hold some regrets but I wish there was a way to place your posts in the more recent part of the thread. If that was possible, there would be none.

I apologize.

Just split out the relevant posts. I'm not even sure what this catchall thread is supposed to be for anymore.
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June 12, 2011, 07:31:58 PM
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It was supposed to be for discussing forum policy, or so the title said....

Dunno what happened...



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