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June 12, 2011, 01:52:48 PM
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So basically this newbies forum is going to be just a large group of people who are new to this bullshitting each other until...[snip]...they reach 50 posts?  

just curious, is anyone actually reading the 50 posts?

just saying it wouldn't take long to knock out 1 word replies to anything and everything, attaining the desired 50 quite quickly.

as a noob, slowly working my way to the 'other side' i reckon there has to be a better way - i have absolutely no idea what better way that might be though, sorry!
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June 12, 2011, 01:53:00 PM
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This is hazing.

But is has an advantage: being stuck here together for 50 messages is the best opportunity to create a stronger group.
This will be needed to kick the old farts in the butt when we are finally released in the wild Wink
just one problem with that: the old farts has the abillity to ban your account. Tongue

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June 12, 2011, 01:55:52 PM
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Look : if I am mining with pool xyz and there is a technical issue I want to raise to the pool operator, or if I found a bug in the bitcoin client and I want to report it, or if I am wanting to do business in the market forum, how am I going to do that now?
Unless you prove to us that you know the basics, you'd just be wasting those people's time. Don't worry, we can help you here.

Ah, its possible to prove knowing the basics!

So what you want to hear?

I am totaly fine with Slush scoring-system cause it prevent me setting up a poolswitching tool - i cant let anyone cheat on me.

I localised my wallet and made my first backup.
I tried phoenix and must say, phatk bring me 219 MHash/s on my 5770 but 4K more temp, using poclbm i get 211. Each @1000 MHZ.

What want you hear? Smiley

Good enough for me. I'll pass it along in my next whitelist update.

Damn If i had known it was that easy i wouldve stopped talking about tacos a long time ago!!

My rigs include an older box with 2 4850's running poclbm - tried phoenix but even with phatk and VECTORS i got slightly less than poclbm.. getting a total of about 150MHS

other rig (the one im typing on) has a 5830 running phoenix w/ these flags - BFI_INT VECTORS -k phatk AGGRESSION=12  pushing a nice 294MHS on 985core/800mem

NEVER UNDERESTIMATE THE VALUE OF A GOOD TACO!!

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June 12, 2011, 01:56:40 PM
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Is it now 5 or 50 posts? 5 seem doable without posting complete nonsense.
Really bad that there is no decent authentification system that is usable for every forum.
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June 12, 2011, 01:57:51 PM
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This isn't hazing, you are missing the point. What is happening here is this, you are being conditioned to not speak out strongly against bitcoin on this forum. After you see what the admins can do to you in the name of the oh-so-scarry troll, by the time you get 'out in the wild' you will be conditioned enough that you will be weary of stepping on toes in fear that if you do you will have your account removed and sent back here. This is most likely being done because the admins are heavily invested in bitcoin growing in value, negative attitude, they fear, is what has casued the recent spike downward. So, by manipulating the forum, they hope to manipulate the market. I'm not positive this is bad for the future of bitcoin, but it does not sit well in my stomach.

This is all sooo scarily similar to terrorists and the patriot act.
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June 12, 2011, 01:59:56 PM
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Suggestion, if you have a question that you want answered try looking it up. You can read all you want. The search feature eleiminates almost all of the serious questions new people have.
The problem this addresses however is not about people asking serious questions. There are plenty of places to go scribble with crayons. This is the official forums of the project, and should not be such a place. New users please be patient. You are still welcome here.
I'll even check the new section daily and answer questions.

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June 12, 2011, 02:00:48 PM
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It need not be a large donation requirement - really even a small amount would deter spammers.  I have recently bought a bc related URL and am working on implementing what I hope will be a useful service.  I would have no qualms paying an access fee here.  Otherwise my startup announcement, when it comes, may have to be in the noob forum.  Embarrassed

I totally agree on both points: a donation requirement is better than the current system (but both can coexist if some people don't want to pay), and this policy is a hindrance to the development of the bitcoin economy as new entrepreneurs cannot anymore advertise their businesses, let alone seek for consulting with the most experienced users.
You can easily imagine the first impression of a respectable business man who comes to prospect on the forum, only to find that he is called a noob and locked in a forum full of gibberish... I doubt he will give his business to Bitcoin.

How many opportunities did bitcoin loose today because of this policy?
How many more opportunities is it going to loose before the people behind this bad move finally understand their mistake?
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June 12, 2011, 02:04:39 PM
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Just want to go on the record that, as a newbie, I have no real problem with the post restriction policy. Newbies need to spend most of their time reading rather than talking anyway. And contribute something back to the community. That's all good.
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June 12, 2011, 02:06:45 PM
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This is hazing.

But is has an advantage: being stuck here together for 50 messages is the best opportunity to create a stronger group.
This will be needed to kick the old farts in the butt when we are finally released in the wild Wink

I really doubt this "hazing" will promote any group unity.  This is the internet after all, everyone is looking out for themselves.

See, I thought earlier that this could be good for the group as a whole, but upon further consideration i see that, just as common sense would dictate, fear tactics are unhealthy, my only hope now is that some of the key veteran members will see past their quiter forums and see this for what it is, intellectual imprisonment in an attempt to artificially sway markets to their own personal gain at the expense of the future of the project.

They are already deleting accounts AND claiming it is BECAUSE of speaking out against the forums new policy.
From Theymos in this post (http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=15735.0):

You were banned because you are a troll. Every single post of yours was complaining about the forum. You even offered to post junk posts for people.

And now you're banned on this account, too...


you can look through bitcoinewbies post and decide for yourself if he was a troll or not.
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June 12, 2011, 02:07:35 PM
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Just want to go on the record that, as a newbie, I have no real problem with the post restriction policy. Newbies need to spend most of their time reading rather than talking anyway. And contribute something back to the community. That's all good.

I understand this restriction.

But just an example, I've been reading on this forum for some time (0.5 mo) and just reged few days ago to ask a question. Not talked before =/= can't contribute anything.

and the logged times, I sometimes forget to log in until I want to post and can't find the link.

I know this is not enough to make an argument but this CAN happen.

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June 12, 2011, 02:07:46 PM
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Well when you have a bunch of anonymous trolls deliberately trying to incite panic I think it makes sense to take measures to restrict the nonsense.
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June 12, 2011, 02:12:13 PM
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Well when you have a bunch of anonymous trolls deliberately trying to incite panic I think it makes sense to measures to restrict the nonsense.

Agreed. We might as well lock up all the blacks while we are at it because some of them are criminals. It's always better to take the easiest route when your own personal immediate welfare is at stake.
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June 12, 2011, 02:12:58 PM
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You are right that you're the reason the forum is locked up tight... and you're also correct that they're trying to keep the value stable, but you're incorrect in assuming that they're doing it because the value is inherently unstable/poor
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June 12, 2011, 02:15:19 PM
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It's interesting, because I feel like there are two very different segments of users on this forum. You have the miners and the speculators...two wildly different skillsets with very specific lingo and goals for their involvement in this community.

So, what you just said would go right over the head of some of the speculators, while most of the miners have no idea what forex is.

I mine (just 2 5850s on my primary machine) and speculate...would love it if somehow I got added to the whitelist also.

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June 12, 2011, 02:18:10 PM
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Why not ask newbies to deposit 1 or 5 BTC in an escrow account as a deposit like MTGox or some moderators wallet.

If you get to 50 posts without beeing a troll, you get your BTC back.

If not, you get banned and loose the BTC

(oh and I'm only going to start posting now just to increase my post numbers, I've been reading silently for weeks and I think that is more important than how much you posted...)
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June 12, 2011, 02:21:50 PM
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Why not ask newbies to deposit 1 or 5 BTC in an escrow account as a deposit like MTGox or some moderators wallet.

If you get to 50 posts without beeing a troll, you get your BTC back.

If not, you get banned and loose the BTC

(oh and I'm only going to start posting now just to increase my post numbers, I've been reading silently for weeks and I think that is more important than how much you posted...)

Don't assume all newbies have some BTC... Maybe they're just learning about this thing and have not decided whether to getin.


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June 12, 2011, 02:22:16 PM
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Just want to go on the record that, as a newbie, I have no real problem with the post restriction policy. Newbies need to spend most of their time reading rather than talking anyway. And contribute something back to the community. That's all good.

As a grown adult I resent being told that I need to spend x hours in pre-school proving that am not in fact a child (as I am evidently assumed to be by default).

As for making a payment first, I have no BTC, thats what I came here to learn about.
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June 12, 2011, 02:23:40 PM
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You are right that you're the reason the forum is locked up tight... and you're also correct that they're trying to keep the value stable, but you're incorrect in assuming that they're doing it because the value is inherently unstable/poor

I am invested in bitcoin and hope for the best, however I can't come up with any reason why people who believed in the strength of the market would resort to fear tactics negate opposing opinions to drive the price up. It is undeniable that this is what is occuring if you look here:

http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=15735.0

and you investigate theymos'(admin) claim of bitcoinewbie "Every single post of yours was complaining about the forum."  investigate that yourself by looking through bitcoinewbies posts and tell me if you think he was trolling or not, and decide whether or not lies and power are being used to squash alternate opinions.

I happen to know for a fact that bitcoinewbie has on many occasions given helpful advice to other users, and he has even created at least 4 bitcoin youtube videos(and posibly more), none of which were anything but promotions which clearly took a great deal of time. ie. creating a bitcoin mascot, and as another alias(which may or not be the same man -Bitatoes-, but looking at the referenced thread above it would seem that that is what Bitatoes is claiming). With little research on and off this forum you can see that this man IS NO TROLL.

btw - there is an 100% uncensored discussion of this slowly taking place over at bitcoinforum.net
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June 12, 2011, 02:26:18 PM
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Is it now 5 or 50 posts? 5 seem doable without posting complete nonsense.
Really bad that there is no decent authentification system that is usable for every forum.

It is 4 hours and 5 posts now Smiley
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June 12, 2011, 02:26:48 PM
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"I for one welcome our new Bitcoin Masters." Sorry it was meant a bit tongue in cheek Wink

Fair enough.

TradersEdgeDice posted a good suggestion (in my opinion) over here.  I'll respond later, but for now I must sleep.  It's been a long night.
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