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June 12, 2011, 09:40:11 AM
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The real problem is that it will piss off people who are really interested.

too late for that. if they would moderate the other boards properly, and delete the trolls... oh shit, i forgot. that makes too much sense.

It takes alot of time. The newbie section is probably just short-term solution. Not long-term.

its rather obvious it was put together in 10 minutes of "brainstorming".
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June 12, 2011, 09:40:51 AM
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I also agree about your point that the wild volatility  will scare off newcommers. That was the motivation behind me starting the thread asking if the exchanges should adopt breakers.
I would avoid all outside regulation, it could eventually destroy the freedom Bitcoin can offer.

I think this whole exchange thing started way too early and caused Bitcoin/dollar trade becoming far more popular than Bitcoin/goods trade.

If this Bitcoin price crash continues it might force big exchanges like MtGox scale back because their profits will also be cut to a fraction when the USD volume of the trade collapses.
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June 12, 2011, 09:40:53 AM
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Actually TBH, I think that's an even worse as most people who join this forums and are reasonably active don't take 8 hours to reach 50 posts. Now, this promotes people to just leave it open as a tab rather than post (which could give an indication to moderator's that someone is a troll/spammer) which doesn't seem to me, to be that great.

I don't think it's unreasonable to ask newbies to lurk for 8 hours before posting. Trolls can easily bypass it, of course, which is why there is also a post limitation. Hopefully mods will notice their spam before it starts getting out of this section.

True, bitcoin is pretty complex. I've learned alot about mining and how the system works even by lurking in the noob forum and posting stuff.

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June 12, 2011, 09:42:20 AM
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Although the post count thing seems a bit draconian, there's nothing stopping established members to post here too. 50 is a bit much, but a more organized forum experience is always great!

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June 12, 2011, 09:42:37 AM
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just deal with it.

thats communism's new slogan.
migth be but communism is no more evil then capitalism. Tongue 

Thats because communism ultimately is based off capitalism. The elites at the top are plundering even worse than capitalists.
no! wrong thats the capitalist view of communism Tongue communism is freedom, where no people are getting steped on.
the way it was implementet in russia was wrong, simply.

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June 12, 2011, 09:42:49 AM
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Due to a mass of trolling, only established posters are able to post in non-newbie sections.

Spam is irrelevant, trolls are inflammatory. This was not an issue of deleting Viagra adds. By the Mods own admission this was an issue of removing unwanted, but on-topic discussion.

Bitcoin.org forum discussion by it's very nature has a considerable effect on Bitcoin prices. It's not like anything clever was done or that journalists are not going to pick up on it- Bitcoin is hot and and they will jump on anything. Why give them something that juicy AND so negative to report on?

Temporary is a meaningless statement without a timeline, everything is temporary. The Patriot Act was temporary. The moderation team is seemingly quite happy with the current arrangement and is showing no particular sense of urgency to transition to a more open solution.

The mods wanted to silence (rather than waste time converting, persuading or simply ignoring) Bitcoin detractors. One of these detractors main arguments was that Bitcoin is a Ponzi scheme that rewarded early adopters at the expense of newcommers. So the Mods solution to this argument was to effectively filter out the critical questions of newcomers and limit substantive forum dialog to early adopters.

Brilliant bit of work there.
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June 12, 2011, 09:43:15 AM
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I fit that profile and still can't post.

Until that's resolved, could I get whitelisted? I think my prior posts speak for themselves.

I think it may take up to four hours for the board to update your member group. (Otherwise, maybe I have to do it manually with a cron job or something.)

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June 12, 2011, 09:44:06 AM
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+1
I think that's a great idea
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June 12, 2011, 09:44:14 AM
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Although the post count thing seems a bit draconian, there's nothing stopping established members to post here too. 50 is a bit much, but a more organized forum experience is always great!

yup. cause the regular members REALLY want to talk to the users they considered a "problem".
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June 12, 2011, 09:46:09 AM
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Ok, correct me if i'm wrong but even since creighto spanked synaptic with that long list of trollish drivel quotes he has had much to say...
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June 12, 2011, 09:46:43 AM
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Due to a mass of trolling, only established posters are able to post in non-newbie sections.

Spam is irrelevant, trolls are inflammatory. This was not an issue of deleting Viagra adds. By the Mods own admission this was an issue of removing unwanted, but on-topic discussion.

Bitcoin.org forum discussion by it's very nature has a considerable effect on Bitcoin prices. It's not like anything clever was done or that journalists are not going to pick up on it- Bitcoin is hot and and they will jump on anything. Why give them something that juicy AND so negative to report on?

Temporary is a meaningless statement without a timeline, everything is temporary. The Patriot Act was temporary. The moderation team is seemingly quite happy with the current arrangement and is showing no particular sense of urgency to transition to a more open solution.

The mods wanted to silence (rather than waste time converting, persuading or simply ignoring) Bitcoin detractors. One of these detractors main arguments was that Bitcoin is a Ponzi scheme that rewarded early adopters at the expense of newcommers. So the Mods solution to this argument was to effectively filter out the critical questions of newcomers and limit substantive forum dialog to early adopters.

Brilliant bit of work there.

The question you ask yourself if the goal of a poster is to detract and hurt the community and the system the community is trying to promote is it not in their best interest to get rid of him? If people are going to hurt you do you not protect yourself? I'm not referring to people who say "bitcoin is flawed, should have this change that change this."

And the Ponzi scheme argument was answered there is sticky about it. There is no need to repeat a question over and over again. Then the only purpose is subversion.

Also a Ponzi scheme involves the intention of inevitable crashing. And if you go by the idea what you cited is a Ponzi scheme. Capitalism is a Ponzi scheme.

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June 12, 2011, 09:49:56 AM
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Great idea to support the community.

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June 12, 2011, 09:52:09 AM
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Although the post count thing seems a bit draconian, there's nothing stopping established members to post here too. 50 is a bit much, but a more organized forum experience is always great!

yup. cause the regular members REALLY want to talk to the users they considered a "problem".

No, the newbies and spam posts that occurred in other sections, were fear mongering troll posts to alert and grab attention. A dedicated newbie section, will have less of those posts, because there is no-one to scare or troll. Instead I would like a well balanced (idealistic maybe?) newbie section where people can ask questions and get to know the community and bitcoin. I'm very keen to answer questions and get users knowledgeable on Bitcoin. Yes, sometimes, there will be users who already know bitcoin, but haven't been board members, but then they just have to sit through it.

Frankly, I wish this section was here a few months back, because I struggled immensely at first to work out how Bitcoin and mining worked. If there was a section like this, that wasn't drowned out by established members, the point of entry is easier.

You shouldn't ignore the fact that some people really want to help others and get Bitcoin off the ground. I'm one of them, and will try to frequent the newbie section, because that's how we cultivate a community, by doing it grassroots. (I sound like a politician now, I know!)

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June 12, 2011, 09:52:56 AM
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Human Nature and true Communism are mutually exclusive.  They cannot exist together.

just deal with it.

thats communism's new slogan.
migth be but communism is no more evil then capitalism. Tongue 

Thats because communism ultimately is based off capitalism. The elites at the top are plundering even worse than capitalists.
no! wrong thats the capitalist view of communism Tongue communism is freedom, where no people are getting steped on.
the way it was implementet in russia was wrong, simply.
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June 12, 2011, 09:53:12 AM
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Uhhh, Only if we get it back in BTC credit when 50 is reached.  Smiley
I like this idea, and wouldn't mind it.
I like this!

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June 12, 2011, 09:54:38 AM
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Writing the same in a more suitable forum  Smiley Are you freakin' kidding me? Huh Yeah and this isn't totally contradicting.. A few spamming a**holes and the Man decides to ban all of us "n00bs" from writing in the forum... Nobody controlling us eh? Try again... Ridiculous
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June 12, 2011, 09:57:04 AM
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this means I have to post 50+ unnecessary posts to talk about something I need to say...
I totally agree mate, this 50post thing is rediculas, and Im not a n00b
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June 12, 2011, 09:59:41 AM
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yeah 50 posts is killing me. ive been a member of a specific automotive forum for over 2 years, <100 posts.

i dont join forums to shoot the shit and act cool and get a rep.
i join to occasionally offer my insight.

with this forum, ...

you know what? fuck it. im off this forum. this is ridiculous. feel free to delete my account admins.
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June 12, 2011, 10:00:26 AM
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I fit that profile and still can't post.

Until that's resolved, could I get whitelisted? I think my prior posts speak for themselves.

I think it may take up to four hours for the board to update your member group. (Otherwise, maybe I have to do it manually with a cron job or something.)

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June 12, 2011, 10:00:44 AM
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Can't see why not...

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