[ANN] [ETC] Ethereum Classic: Immutable Smart Contracts

[randayh]

Hey guys payments were on hold for 24 hours while the fork was underway. It is hard to send payments in the beginning to 50 miners when block times where 30-60 minutes. Just not possible. Block times are better now and payments processing. However, the pool only pays twice a day. I'm just sending payments often now to get things cleared out.

[Gaglam]

mining to an exchange will not work , as they are all likely on the new fork of the chain , my understanding is we need to be on the old chain .

Thanks above for the attempt to help, i have mange to install myth now, when the wallet loads up do not support Dao fork is ticked now but greyed out , but under nodes, it still says Geth 1.14.10 , and another option 1.2.9(c++) no hard fork supported is greyed out and not ticked, No idea if i am doing this right as the node under development tools says node is GETH 1.14.10 and is ticked , which i guess put me on the wrong chain

Same problem here

[suchmoon]

mining to an exchange will not work , as they are all likely on the new fork of the chain , my understanding is we need to be on the old chain .

Thanks above for the attempt to help, i have mange to install myth now, when the wallet loads up do not support Dao fork is ticked now but greyed out , but under nodes, it still says Geth 1.14.10 , and another option 1.2.9(c++) no hard fork supported is greyed out and not ticked, No idea if i am doing this right as the node under development tools says node is GETH 1.14.10 and is ticked , which i guess put me on the wrong chain

Same problem here

Check the block height. At this time it should be ~1921200 for classic and ~1927500 for forkers.

http://classic.aakilfernandes.com/#/ (classic)
https://etherchain.org/blocks (fork)

[bitpop]

Ethc is slow and steady to win the marathon. Ethf is pump and dump. Stay on our winning side!

[randayh]

Correct. Also Pool reports the block it is currently mining. So it will be one block higher that the reported block.

mining to an exchange will not work , as they are all likely on the new fork of the chain , my understanding is we need to be on the old chain .

Thanks above for the attempt to help, i have mange to install myth now, when the wallet loads up do not support Dao fork is ticked now but greyed out , but under nodes, it still says Geth 1.14.10 , and another option 1.2.9(c++) no hard fork supported is greyed out and not ticked, No idea if i am doing this right as the node under development tools says node is GETH 1.14.10 and is ticked , which i guess put me on the wrong chain

Same problem here

Check the block height. At this time it should be ~1921200 for classic and ~1927500 for forkers.

http://classic.aakilfernandes.com/#/ (classic)
https://etherchain.org/blocks (fork)

[bitpop]

My core forum team includes suchmoon and perryl, thank you for your support

[Perryl]

Hey guys payments were on hold for 24 hours while the fork was underway. It is hard to send payments in the beginning to 50 miners when block times where 30-60 minutes. Just not possible. Block times are better now and payments processing. However, the pool only pays twice a day. I'm just sending payments often now to get things cleared out.

I think my problem is that I used an invalid wallet address.

http://ethc.epool.io/#/account/0x2cae8ece1a5eb9b668e3f25e42d58d5367c50c83

I haven't received any of this ETHC to my old ETH address. It was just a test, it's fine if I never get the coins, but using a wallet created on myetherwallet around a year ago I did not receive my mining rewards.

http://classic.aakilfernandes.com/#/transaction/0x6a4b8a06a053cb259471365e180551dc27fdb3bb5f1a428e07cf183bc8613b01
http://classic.aakilfernandes.com/#/transaction/0xd47ade368c9be9ffe37dedba3f3e6e92845e28f697943fbf85023f712842e225

I don't have the link to the 3rd payment to that address.

https://etherscan.io/address/0x2cae8ece1a5eb9b668e3f25e42d58d5367c50c83

I sent some coin to an ETHC address earlier, but I don't know if it ever made it.

The point of this is just to make sure people don't make the same mistake. I'm not concerned about 3 coins. lol

[Perryl]

My core forum team includes suchmoon and perryl, thank you for your support

Thanks, that's unexpected. I'll do what I can to support the project.

[randayh]

No, No. I'm very interested in your issue. Can you please verify your block height of your wallet matches that of the explorer and epool?

What client are you using?

Hey guys payments were on hold for 24 hours while the fork was underway. It is hard to send payments in the beginning to 50 miners when block times where 30-60 minutes. Just not possible. Block times are better now and payments processing. However, the pool only pays twice a day. I'm just sending payments often now to get things cleared out.

I think my problem is that I used an invalid wallet address.

http://ethc.epool.io/#/account/0x2cae8ece1a5eb9b668e3f25e42d58d5367c50c83

I haven't received any of this ETHC to my old ETH address. It was just a test, it's fine if I never get the coins, but using a wallet created on myetherwallet around a year ago I did not receive my mining rewards.

http://classic.aakilfernandes.com/#/transaction/0x6a4b8a06a053cb259471365e180551dc27fdb3bb5f1a428e07cf183bc8613b01
http://classic.aakilfernandes.com/#/transaction/0xd47ade368c9be9ffe37dedba3f3e6e92845e28f697943fbf85023f712842e225

I don't have the link to the 3rd payment to that address.

https://etherscan.io/address/0x2cae8ece1a5eb9b668e3f25e42d58d5367c50c83

I sent some coin to an ETHC address earlier, but I don't know if it ever made it.

The point of this is just to make sure people don't make the same mistake. I'm not concerned about 3 coins. lol

[marky89]

Do i understand this well, and nobody knows for 100% how this work? Not even the topicstarter?

Why would u hold a old version from ethereum? This version was sick, ill, not worth it anymore. That's why the hard fork...

Good luck to this anyway, but remember, 99% from the people move to the new release/fork.

If so, ETH Foundation/devs accomplished it in a very deceitful way. Leveraging the hashpower of the silent majority of non-voting miners to enforce the fork was incredibly dishonest. Inaction cannot possibly be construed as voting to change the protocol rules and migrating to a new system. Calling this "consensus" is incredibly insulting to everyone involved.

And the pro-fork vote was set to default in geth and other clients. Again, leveraging non-voters to enforce the fork. Disgusting.

I've also seen reports that in the case of one pool, miners voted against the fork, and the pool admins ignored their vote and built on the forked chain. Trying to find more info on that.

To top it off, consensus among exchanges -- not Ethereum users -- is/was being used to squeeze defectors on the minority chain by removing market liquidity from ETHC. There is something very disturbing about centralized exchanges having such influence over the definition of the best blockchain. This is an FUD tactic that forces investors -- quite possibly against their will -- to support the fork strictly out of fear for capital preservation. There are clear incentives to remain on an exchange-supported fork. Those incentives have absolutely nothing to do with what users want (i.e. user consensus).

[Perryl]

No, No. I'm very interested in your issue. Can you please verify your block height of your wallet matches that of the explorer and epool?

What client are you using?

Hey guys payments were on hold for 24 hours while the fork was underway. It is hard to send payments in the beginning to 50 miners when block times where 30-60 minutes. Just not possible. Block times are better now and payments processing. However, the pool only pays twice a day. I'm just sending payments often now to get things cleared out.

I think my problem is that I used an invalid wallet address.

http://ethc.epool.io/#/account/0x2cae8ece1a5eb9b668e3f25e42d58d5367c50c83

I haven't received any of this ETHC to my old ETH address. It was just a test, it's fine if I never get the coins, but using a wallet created on myetherwallet around a year ago I did not receive my mining rewards.

http://classic.aakilfernandes.com/#/transaction/0x6a4b8a06a053cb259471365e180551dc27fdb3bb5f1a428e07cf183bc8613b01
http://classic.aakilfernandes.com/#/transaction/0xd47ade368c9be9ffe37dedba3f3e6e92845e28f697943fbf85023f712842e225

I don't have the link to the 3rd payment to that address.

https://etherscan.io/address/0x2cae8ece1a5eb9b668e3f25e42d58d5367c50c83

I sent some coin to an ETHC address earlier, but I don't know if it ever made it.

The point of this is just to make sure people don't make the same mistake. I'm not concerned about 3 coins. lol

I'm using a wallet I generated at myetherwallet.com a while back, maybe a year ago. I don't remember. I never intentionally upgraded it, but the transaction I sent to bitpop was in block    1925409 which I guess means that wallet is on the new chain by default, somehow.

[Skyrik]

next will be ethereumfuture , retroethereum, cyberpunkethereum............................

[Perryl]

Do i understand this well, and nobody knows for 100% how this work? Not even the topicstarter?

Why would u hold a old version from ethereum? This version was sick, ill, not worth it anymore. That's why the hard fork...

Good luck to this anyway, but remember, 99% from the people move to the new release/fork.

If so, ETH Foundation/devs accomplished it in a very deceitful way. Leveraging the hashpower of the silent majority of non-voting miners to enforce the fork was incredibly dishonest. Inaction cannot possibly be construed as voting to change the protocol rules and migrating to a new system. Calling this "consensus" is incredibly insulting to everyone involved.

And the pro-fork vote was set to default in geth and other clients. Again, leveraging non-voters to enforce the fork. Disgusting.

I've also seen reports that in the case of one pool, miners voted against the fork, and the pool admins ignored their vote and built on the forked chain. Trying to find more info on that.

To top it off, consensus among exchanges -- not Ethereum users -- is/was being used to squeeze defectors on the minority chain by removing market liquidity from ETHC. There is something very disturbing about centralized exchanges having such influence over the definition of the best blockchain. This is an FUD tactic that forces investors -- quite possibly against their will -- to support the fork strictly out of fear for capital preservation. There are clear incentives to remain on an exchange-supported fork. Those incentives have absolutely nothing to do with what users want (i.e. user consensus).

It was ethermine.org

"According to the voting result (65% in favor of not supporting the fork) the pool is supposed not to support the fork. But as all other major pools (e.g. dwarfpool, ethermine, nanopool) are supporting the fork we can and will not jeopardize any mining income of the pool by mining on a chain that has a very high probability to get orphaned. Therefore, according to our voting policy stated in the announcement, we will support the hard fork."

https://news.bitcoin.com/ethereum-hard-fork-miner-vote-overturned/

Also, this is a pretty interesting quote from Coindesk.

"Though support by the miners does seem to swing toward the hard fork, low turnout has opened the door to criticism that the vote wasn’t representative of the entire network. At least one large mining pool said it would only begrudgingly honor the fork.

Pools like Dwarfpool, which possesses about a quarter of the network’s total hashing power, held a vote in which a majority of participants indicated their support. However, less than 7% of Dwarfpool’s hashrate was accounted for in the vote.

Fourteen percent of Ethermine’s hashrate voted in a similar poll, with a clear majority of those taking part voicing support. 23% of Ethpool’s mining power voted, with a slim majority moving against the hard fork."

http://www.coindesk.com/hard-fork-ethereum-dao/

F2pool said:

"We are as a matter of principle against unduly rushed or controversial hard forks irrespective of the team proposing and we will not run such code on production systems nor mine any block from that hard-fork. I believe this is universal and it could be applied to ethereum, too. I fail to see why we must take such a controversial and risky hard fork. We are not willing to deploy this hard fork unless we have to."


Where is the consensus?

[suchmoon]

I'm using a wallet I generated at myetherwallet.com a while back, maybe a year ago. I don't remember. I never intentionally upgraded it, but the transaction I sent to bitpop was in block    1925409 which I guess means that wallet is on the new chain by default, somehow.

A wallet by itself doesn't belong to a specific chain. If you own the private key you can send a TX to either one (or both) of the chains. Did you use myetherwallet website to create the transaction?

[StarenseN]

Several Questions:

What about the difficulty bomb, legacy from eth-fork ? Could it be bad for miners in medium-term?

What are the plans with the DAO now?

[Perryl]

I'm using a wallet I generated at myetherwallet.com a while back, maybe a year ago. I don't remember. I never intentionally upgraded it, but the transaction I sent to bitpop was in block    1925409 which I guess means that wallet is on the new chain by default, somehow.

A wallet by itself doesn't belong to a specific chain. If you own the private key you can send a TX to either one (or both) of the chains. Did you use myetherwallet website to create the transaction?

The transaction I sent, yes. The ones I did not receive, no. For the ones I did not receive, I have no idea why they didn't get to me. Maybe I can import the wallet address into my other wallet that is working and it will have the coins? Let me try that.

It's viewing it on the myetherwallet.com website that I cannot see the balance change. Maybe that's why.

[suchmoon]

I'm using a wallet I generated at myetherwallet.com a while back, maybe a year ago. I don't remember. I never intentionally upgraded it, but the transaction I sent to bitpop was in block    1925409 which I guess means that wallet is on the new chain by default, somehow.

A wallet by itself doesn't belong to a specific chain. If you own the private key you can send a TX to either one (or both) of the chains. Did you use myetherwallet website to create the transaction?

The transaction I sent, yes. The ones I did not receive, no. For the ones I did not receive, I have no idea why they didn't get to me. Maybe I can import the wallet address into my other wallet that is working and it will have the coins? Let me try that.

It's viewing it on the myetherwallet.com website that I cannot see the balance change. Maybe that's why.

Yes, use your own wallet (or two wallets - both chains), import the key, pay attention to the block height, and you should be able to figure out where your coins went.

[Perryl]

I'm using a wallet I generated at myetherwallet.com a while back, maybe a year ago. I don't remember. I never intentionally upgraded it, but the transaction I sent to bitpop was in block    1925409 which I guess means that wallet is on the new chain by default, somehow.

A wallet by itself doesn't belong to a specific chain. If you own the private key you can send a TX to either one (or both) of the chains. Did you use myetherwallet website to create the transaction?

The transaction I sent, yes. The ones I did not receive, no. For the ones I did not receive, I have no idea why they didn't get to me. Maybe I can import the wallet address into my other wallet that is working and it will have the coins? Let me try that.

It's viewing it on the myetherwallet.com website that I cannot see the balance change. Maybe that's why.

Yes, use your own wallet (or two wallets - both chains), import the key, pay attention to the block height, and you should be able to figure out where your coins went.

I have no ETH anyways, I sold out before the DAO fiasco even happened, but I'm importing the wallet, it's been about 13 minutes and it just says importing. I guess that means it's doing something. lol. We'll see.

No luck, guess I don't remember the key I set to it. Oh well, it's only 3 ETHC. lol. I'll get at it one day I'm sure. I do have the private key, but I guess there is a different password setting as well. idk, I don't really care. It's a waste of my time to do all this for 3 coins. Unless maybe it was 3 BTC. lol

[bitpop]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/francescoppola/2016/07/21/a-painful-lesson-for-the-ethereum-community/

[NSA360]

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