Do you believe in god?

[popcorn1]

iam believe
if the thread vote or comment not believe
i want to ask, what do you think about earth, who create earth
and who fist in human in earth , and who create human

Hi, let me tell you from the start that you should read some biology book or unleast research more about that topic on how did the first human come to be.

Ok, the Earth, no one created Earth, here's a little link that you can read https://www.theguardian.com/science/2008/apr/28/starsgalaxiesandplanets.geology.

Every answer is basically a click away from you, it's up to you if you're not too ignorant to find it and read it.

Now let me ask you, do you think that this universe and all the galaxies, planets and satelites were created by the big bang? By the particles and star dust that was scattered all over? If no, why not?

If no, why not?..Because GOD went ZAP..OH sorry it was so ..

[Tyrantt]

iam believe
if the thread vote or comment not believe
i want to ask, what do you think about earth, who create earth
and who fist in human in earth , and who create human

Hi, let me tell you from the start that you should read some biology book or unleast research more about that topic on how did the first human come to be.

Ok, the Earth, no one created Earth, here's a little link that you can read https://www.theguardian.com/science/2008/apr/28/starsgalaxiesandplanets.geology.

Every answer is basically a click away from you, it's up to you if you're not too ignorant to find it and read it.

Now let me ask you, do you think that this universe and all the galaxies, planets and satelites were created by the big bang? By the particles and star dust that was scattered all over? If no, why not?

If no, why not?..Because GOD went ZAP..OH sorry it was so ..

ZAP I thought it was more like TSZEEEW. No, I'm really interested, because that answer always contradicts itself.

[Tyrantt]

But logical religious people realize it didn't happen by ZAP. The atheist freaks aren't logical enough to see that God (whatever He/She/It is) is the only way things could exist as they do.

Logical religious people realize it didn't happen by ZAP...  Oh cmon dude, you can use logic with something like that. Logic would be "if I can't see any evidence of that, it must not exist", logic isnt "Unicorns exist, tho there isn't any evidence at all that doesn't mean that they dont exist. look they are here in these tales and books, so they must exist."

The atheist freaks aren't logical enough to see that God.. haha yeah, that must be it, they aren't logical enough.

[BADecker]

But logical religious people realize it didn't happen by ZAP. The atheist freaks aren't logical enough to see that God (whatever He/She/It is) is the only way things could exist as they do.

Logical religious people realize it didn't happen by ZAP...  Oh cmon dude, you can use logic with something like that. Logic would be "if I can't see any evidence of that, it must not exist", logic isnt "Unicorns exist, tho there isn't any evidence at all that doesn't mean that they dont exist. look they are here in these tales and books, so they must exist."

The atheist freaks aren't logical enough to see that God.. haha yeah, that must be it, they aren't logical enough.

Touch the wall by the computer. Is there anything behind the wall? If you can't see it, it probably isn't there, right? That's what you are saying. You are about as dumb as atheists get.

[BADecker]

iam believe
if the thread vote or comment not believe
i want to ask, what do you think about earth, who create earth
and who fist in human in earth , and who create human

who fist in human ..Some might say GOD Hmmm nice..Some might say the DEVIL ooo OUCH..

who create earth?..Not who but WHAT ..

What ever created the earth makes no difference because the earth created YOU AND I ..

People came about by cause and effect, because cause and effect works in everything. To make cause and effect happen so that the earth could bring forth people, there must have been some very deep calculations going on. Why? Because we haven't been able to come close to making life... to say nothing about intelligent life... to say nothing about life in abundance. The "What" that did all the planning and calc and set everything into the motion that went into creating life and intelligence, is God way beyond our simple meaning of the word "God."

Remember Religious freaks believe a man like being went ZAP and the earth was SO..
Impossible  ..

But logical religious people realize it didn't happen by ZAP. The atheist freaks aren't logical enough to see that God (whatever He/She/It is) is the only way things could exist as they do.

Now imagine Aliens created the earth?..STILL NOT GOD ..

Well, God certainly is not man. So, He is a form of alien.

If i plant a seed and make it grow am i a god?..The earth..

If you formulate the process whereby a bunch of chemicals come together and form a seed, and then force the chemicals to come together... because of how complex this process is, you would be God. But you can't do this, although it has been done... by God.

Science is the key to life ..

God is the Maker of science.

The main problem is people who believe in a god and believe in the religious books they read..
CRAZIES ..

The main problem is that atheists can't think deeply enough to understand that science shows that God exists.

People who say Arrr well something put us here but i don't know what..
You people are not the problem..

Nutters who say a human like being went zap and made the earth are crazies ..

Nutters who think that they know even a fraction of the things that go on in the universe, don't realize that they don't know enough about God to say that God couldn't go ZAP and make everything just like that. Then these same nutters go off and accept and confirm and support Big Bang that says the universe was created just like that... ZAP.

No one really knows how we got here YET..
If we had no religion we would be 5 thousand years ahead or dead in science?..

If we had no religion, Big Bang ideas would not exist as though they were factual. This means that if we didn't have the religion of science, science would be far ahead of where it is.

Who knows religion might of slowed us down from killing ourselves..
Or it could of slowed us down from having a better life on earth..

Rather, it shows us things about God, who created everything... except for the religion of atheism.

Me thinks it slowed us down from having a better life on earth..
BUT we might of killed ourselves already..

You thinks, but not very much. And you doesn't know.

Ok no ZAP..BUT..It was so?..And it was so ..If you ask me not much different than saying ZAP  ..Or abracadabra  ..Or bish bosh bash ..

You thinks, but not very much ..Says the religious freak..At least i think..
Very much come to think about it ..MONEY MONEY MONEY..Bet bet bet bet..

you get told how to think by your bible?.And you still don't follow gods words after reading his manual .
 You come up with crazy religious science ..

We come from a single point..Why because we are expanding spreading out..
So rewind the clock and we started from a certain point in the universe..

Now one day we will see what happens to new solar systems how they are made ..
100% we will know for sure..We almost do know 100% how life and the universe started  ..

Just your religion is making up MAD SCIENCE..How you ask..

Well if i say it was so you will believe anything..Oh it's got to be wrote in a old looking book for you to believe ..DUMB SHIT ..

There you go, saying the same silly stuff you did before. Just because you say in more than once, still doesn't make it true, or even logical.

[BADecker]

iam believe
if the thread vote or comment not believe
i want to ask, what do you think about earth, who create earth
and who fist in human in earth , and who create human

Hi, let me tell you from the start that you should read some biology book or unleast research more about that topic on how did the first human come to be.

Ok, the Earth, no one created Earth, here's a little link that you can read https://www.theguardian.com/science/2008/apr/28/starsgalaxiesandplanets.geology.

Every answer is basically a click away from you, it's up to you if you're not too ignorant to find it and read it.

Now let me ask you, do you think that this universe and all the galaxies, planets and satelites were created by the big bang? By the particles and star dust that was scattered all over? If no, why not?

Many of the books say that humans came into being by evolution. Evolution is simply change, and change is programmed to do what it does by cause and effect. People were planned by the One who started cause and effect.

Believing Big Bang without any way to prove it, and in light of contradictory ideas about it even among those scientists who formulate what they think it was like, shows that the whole BB idea is stupid. Find something more logical to believe in.

[lokomotive]

Yes, but as in higher power/being. Not as Christian god.

[BADecker]

Yes, but as in higher power/being. Not as Christian god.

Why? Do you think Christians are so great that God isn't their God as well?

[Tyrantt]

But logical religious people realize it didn't happen by ZAP. The atheist freaks aren't logical enough to see that God (whatever He/She/It is) is the only way things could exist as they do.

Logical religious people realize it didn't happen by ZAP...  Oh cmon dude, you can use logic with something like that. Logic would be "if I can't see any evidence of that, it must not exist", logic isnt "Unicorns exist, tho there isn't any evidence at all that doesn't mean that they dont exist. look they are here in these tales and books, so they must exist."

The atheist freaks aren't logical enough to see that God.. haha yeah, that must be it, they aren't logical enough.

Touch the wall by the computer. Is there anything behind the wall? If you can't see it, it probably isn't there, right? That's what you are saying. You are about as dumb as atheists get.

But this is the thing, If I were to thouch a wall, I can and could go around and see whats on the other side and see that there is nothing on the other side, but if you were to touch a wall, would you go around to see what's behind, do a little research or would you be satisfied with some bullshit like "that's the gods domain, god scratches hiss balls there but you cant see on the other side and you shouldnt research a little because thats how it is". And that's the main problem, religious people are satisfied with some madeup bullshit about anything, do you still believe that thunder is the wrath of god? No, we know what thunder is, and that's the main deifference between atheism (science) and religion, religion has all the answers but are mostly wrong or some vague bullshit, but science doesn't knwo wall of the answers but is looking for them. You are as delusional and ignorant as a religious person gets.

[Tyrantt]

iam believe
if the thread vote or comment not believe
i want to ask, what do you think about earth, who create earth
and who fist in human in earth , and who create human

who fist in human ..Some might say GOD Hmmm nice..Some might say the DEVIL ooo OUCH..

who create earth?..Not who but WHAT ..

What ever created the earth makes no difference because the earth created YOU AND I ..

People came about by cause and effect, because cause and effect works in everything. To make cause and effect happen so that the earth could bring forth people, there must have been some very deep calculations going on. Why? Because we haven't been able to come close to making life... to say nothing about intelligent life... to say nothing about life in abundance. The "What" that did all the planning and calc and set everything into the motion that went into creating life and intelligence, is God way beyond our simple meaning of the word "God."

Remember Religious freaks believe a man like being went ZAP and the earth was SO..
Impossible  ..

But logical religious people realize it didn't happen by ZAP. The atheist freaks aren't logical enough to see that God (whatever He/She/It is) is the only way things could exist as they do.

Now imagine Aliens created the earth?..STILL NOT GOD ..

Well, God certainly is not man. So, He is a form of alien.

If i plant a seed and make it grow am i a god?..The earth..

If you formulate the process whereby a bunch of chemicals come together and form a seed, and then force the chemicals to come together... because of how complex this process is, you would be God. But you can't do this, although it has been done... by God.

Science is the key to life ..

God is the Maker of science.

The main problem is people who believe in a god and believe in the religious books they read..
CRAZIES ..

The main problem is that atheists can't think deeply enough to understand that science shows that God exists.

People who say Arrr well something put us here but i don't know what..
You people are not the problem..

Nutters who say a human like being went zap and made the earth are crazies ..

Nutters who think that they know even a fraction of the things that go on in the universe, don't realize that they don't know enough about God to say that God couldn't go ZAP and make everything just like that. Then these same nutters go off and accept and confirm and support Big Bang that says the universe was created just like that... ZAP.

No one really knows how we got here YET..
If we had no religion we would be 5 thousand years ahead or dead in science?..

If we had no religion, Big Bang ideas would not exist as though they were factual. This means that if we didn't have the religion of science, science would be far ahead of where it is.

Who knows religion might of slowed us down from killing ourselves..
Or it could of slowed us down from having a better life on earth..

Rather, it shows us things about God, who created everything... except for the religion of atheism.

Me thinks it slowed us down from having a better life on earth..
BUT we might of killed ourselves already..

You thinks, but not very much. And you doesn't know.

Ok no ZAP..BUT..It was so?..And it was so ..If you ask me not much different than saying ZAP  ..Or abracadabra  ..Or bish bosh bash ..

You thinks, but not very much ..Says the religious freak..At least i think..
Very much come to think about it ..MONEY MONEY MONEY..Bet bet bet bet..

you get told how to think by your bible?.And you still don't follow gods words after reading his manual .
 You come up with crazy religious science ..

We come from a single point..Why because we are expanding spreading out..
So rewind the clock and we started from a certain point in the universe..

Now one day we will see what happens to new solar systems how they are made ..
100% we will know for sure..We almost do know 100% how life and the universe started  ..

Just your religion is making up MAD SCIENCE..How you ask..

Well if i say it was so you will believe anything..Oh it's got to be wrote in a old looking book for you to believe ..DUMB SHIT ..

There you go, saying the same silly stuff you did before. Just because you say in more than once, still doesn't make it true, or even logical.

That exactly same thing for for you and your "scientific" proof of gods existance. Those 4 links to the posts you wrote.

[protokol]

But logical religious people realize it didn't happen by ZAP. The atheist freaks aren't logical enough to see that God (whatever He/She/It is) is the only way things could exist as they do.

Logical religious people realize it didn't happen by ZAP...  Oh cmon dude, you can use logic with something like that. Logic would be "if I can't see any evidence of that, it must not exist", logic isnt "Unicorns exist, tho there isn't any evidence at all that doesn't mean that they dont exist. look they are here in these tales and books, so they must exist."

The atheist freaks aren't logical enough to see that God.. haha yeah, that must be it, they aren't logical enough.

Touch the wall by the computer. Is there anything behind the wall? If you can't see it, it probably isn't there, right? That's what you are saying. You are about as dumb as atheists get.

And you're dumb if you think you can just make up what's behind the wall and portray it as fact.

Science asks what's behind the wall and if we can detect it.

[BADecker]

But logical religious people realize it didn't happen by ZAP. The atheist freaks aren't logical enough to see that God (whatever He/She/It is) is the only way things could exist as they do.

Logical religious people realize it didn't happen by ZAP...  Oh cmon dude, you can use logic with something like that. Logic would be "if I can't see any evidence of that, it must not exist", logic isnt "Unicorns exist, tho there isn't any evidence at all that doesn't mean that they dont exist. look they are here in these tales and books, so they must exist."

The atheist freaks aren't logical enough to see that God.. haha yeah, that must be it, they aren't logical enough.

Touch the wall by the computer. Is there anything behind the wall? If you can't see it, it probably isn't there, right? That's what you are saying. You are about as dumb as atheists get.

And you're dumb if you think you can just make up what's behind the wall and portray it as fact.

Science asks what's behind the wall and if we can detect it.

You are right. I would be "dumb" if I did that. That's why I show the evidence and proof:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

[btcmylove]

As the letter there, do not believe there is No. If God really exists, it can punish the wicked, it is estimated that there will be no war. Of course, this is just a good wish. I don't need to talk about history. Talk about my understanding of god. God is a kind of faith, but I think it is a kind of belief. God will not pity Burma a lazy person, but God will strive for the life of the people rewarding, God is "person" it is also very busy, can not take care of all the people (a tragedy) but as long as you work hard for God is your chance 51%.

[stats]

CoinCube..... I see you missed the others.

Do you want to explain how the bible explains slavery and marrying the rapist, or even not wearing clothing of 2 different materials..... what about forbidding you from eating rabbit, shellfish, pork, weasels, scavengers, reptiles, and owls.

Please.... any of these will do?

If they are too hard, what about killing? 2 crops in the same field? No Jewelry or ostracizing people with disabilities?

Please shed some light.

Stats its not really my job to answer these questions for you nor do I have all the answers but I will answer the hardest one on your list and leave it to you to figure out the rest. Lets look at slavery. Why might the Bible/Torah have rules about how slaves should be treated rather then simply prohibit slavery outright?

Let's start simple:

Take an agrarian society surrounded by hostile nations. Go in there and forcefully abolish slavery. The result? War, bloodshed, hatred, prejudice, poverty and eventually, a return to slavery until the underlying conditions change. Which is pretty much what happened in the American South when the semi-industrialized North imposed their laws upon the agrarian South. And in Texas when Mexico attempted to abolish slavery among the Anglophones there.

Not a good idea. Better idea: Place humane restrictions upon the institution of indentured servitude. Yes, it's still ugly, but in the meantime, you'll teach people compassion and kindness. Educate. Make workshops... Eventually, things change and slavery becomes an anachronism for such a society.

Which is pretty much what happened to Jewish society. Note this: At a time when Romans had literally thousands of slaves per citizen, even the wealthiest Jews held very modest numbers of servants. And those servants, the Talmud tells us, were treated better by their masters than foreign kings would treat their own subjects.

Torah teaches us how to run a libertarian society--through education and participation. Elsewhere in the world, emperors and aristocracy knew only how to govern a mass of people through oppression. Look what happened to Rome.

Getting Real Change

If God would simply and explicitly declare all the rules, precisely as He wants His world to look and what we need to do about it, the Torah would never become real to us. No matter how much we would do and how good we would be, we would remain aliens to the process.

So, too, with slavery (and there are many other examples): In the beginning, the world starts off as a place where oppressing others is a no-qualms, perfectly acceptable practice. It's not just the practice Torah needs to deal with, it's the attitude. So Torah involves us in arriving at that attitude. To the point that we will say, "Even though the Torah lets us, we don't do things that way."

Which means that we've really learnt something. And now, we can teach it to others. Because those things you're just told, those you cannot teach. You can only teach that which you have discovered on your own.
History bears this out... As much as Rome ruled over Judea, Jewish values deeply transformed Rome. One of the results was the legal privileges eventually granted to slaves and the gradual recognition of the value of human life.

Christianity’s influence, in the west, set into motion the belief that man is accountable to God and that the law is the same regardless of status.

http://crossandquill.com/journey/the-influence-of-christianity-on-western-civilization/

Take the conflict between the Christian emperor Theodosius the Great and St. Ambrose. It happened in 300 A.D. when some in Thessalonica rioted and aroused the anger of the emperor who overreacted by slaughtering approximately seven thousand people, most of whom were innocent. Bishop Ambrose asked the emperor to repent and when Theodosius refused, the bishop excommunicated him. After a month Theodosius prostrated himself and repented in Ambrose’s cathedral.

Ambrose readmitted the emperor only after several months of penance and when he promoted a law, which in the case of death sentences would allow a thirty-day lag before the execution would be enforced. One can only speculate how many other massacres were avoided throughout history by the mitigating influence of a religion who's commandments include "Thou shalt not kill"

But is says to do so in the Bible.... so why do you not follow the bible?

[stats]

But logical religious people realize it didn't happen by ZAP. The atheist freaks aren't logical enough to see that God (whatever He/She/It is) is the only way things could exist as they do.

Logical religious people realize it didn't happen by ZAP...  Oh cmon dude, you can use logic with something like that. Logic would be "if I can't see any evidence of that, it must not exist", logic isnt "Unicorns exist, tho there isn't any evidence at all that doesn't mean that they dont exist. look they are here in these tales and books, so they must exist."

The atheist freaks aren't logical enough to see that God.. haha yeah, that must be it, they aren't logical enough.

Touch the wall by the computer. Is there anything behind the wall? If you can't see it, it probably isn't there, right? That's what you are saying. You are about as dumb as atheists get.

And you're dumb if you think you can just make up what's behind the wall and portray it as fact.

Science asks what's behind the wall and if we can detect it.

You are right. I would be "dumb" if I did that. That's why I show the evidence and proof:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

Your "evidence and proof" is flawed.

You quote yourself as proof and therefore cannot be trusted.

Have your God come down and drink a beer with me. No simple task for your God is it?

Whilst you are at it, prove to me that Thor, Buddah, Zeus and any other God does not exist therefore making your God special.

[CoinCube]

But is says to do so in the Bible.... so why do you not follow the bible?

Stats I already answered your question but you may have missed it upthread so I will try one last time.

Let's look at another similar example.

Exodus 31:14
"Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death; for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people."

According to your interpretation stats we should execute everyone we see working on Saturday?
Personally I feel that such an action would violate the Biblical prohibition on murder don't you?

What is the actual meaning? I think it means is that if we work 7 days a week we make slaves of ourselves separating ourselves from our families and communities and over the long run doing so is extremely bad for us  even fatal. The Japanese call this Karōshi literally death from work.

The following five minute clip from Prager university covers this in more depth.
https://www.prageru.com/courses/religionphilosophy/remember-sabbath

[Buffer Overflow]

But logical religious people realize it didn't happen by ZAP. The atheist freaks aren't logical enough to see that God (whatever He/She/It is) is the only way things could exist as they do.

Logical religious people realize it didn't happen by ZAP...   Oh cmon dude, you can use logic with something like that. Logic would be "if I can't see any evidence of that, it must not exist", logic isnt "Unicorns exist, tho there isn't any evidence at all that doesn't mean that they dont exist. look they are here in these tales and books, so they must exist."

The atheist freaks aren't logical enough to see that God.. haha yeah, that must be it, they aren't logical enough.

Touch the wall by the computer. Is there anything behind the wall? If you can't see it, it probably isn't there, right? That's what you are saying. You are about as dumb as atheists get.

And you're dumb if you think you can just make up what's behind the wall and portray it as fact.

Science asks what's behind the wall and if we can detect it.

You are right. I would be "dumb" if I did that. That's why I show the evidence and proof:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

And you're dumb if you think you can just make up what's behind the wall and portray it as fact.

You are right. I would be "dumb" if I did that.

Sounds like BADlogic is guessing what's behind the wall and protraying it as fact. He says so himself:

Science is guesswork.

 

[Indijanos]

But is says to do so in the Bible.... so why do you not follow the bible?

Stats I already answered your question but you may have missed it upthread so I will try one last time.

Let's look at another similar example.

Exodus 31:14
"Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death; for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people."

According to your interpretation stats we should execute everyone we see working on Saturday?
Personally I feel that such an action would violate the Biblical prohibition on murder don't you?

What is the actual meaning? I think it means is that if we work 7 days a week we make slaves of ourselves separating ourselves from our families and communities and over the long run doing so is extremely bad for us  even fatal. The Japanese call this Karōshi literally death from work.

The following five minute clip from Prager university covers this in more depth.
https://www.prageru.com/courses/religionphilosophy/remember-sabbath

I have noticed that bible has a few stuff that contradict one another like that one and the problem is that we can't know and people are understanding is as they want to but as we know that one man didn't write the bible but a few of them, that can happen since they probably weren't writing the bible books over skype. :p

[iluvbitcoins]

I have noticed that bible has a few stuff that contradict one another like that one and the problem is that we can't know and people are understanding is as they want to but as we know that one man didn't write the bible but a few of them, that can happen since they probably weren't writing the bible books over skype. :p

Exactly

Bible is a book of men, not a book of God

I can't understand how people fail to realize that

Constantinopole 4th century BC 

[BADecker]

But logical religious people realize it didn't happen by ZAP. The atheist freaks aren't logical enough to see that God (whatever He/She/It is) is the only way things could exist as they do.

Logical religious people realize it didn't happen by ZAP...   Oh cmon dude, you can use logic with something like that. Logic would be "if I can't see any evidence of that, it must not exist", logic isnt "Unicorns exist, tho there isn't any evidence at all that doesn't mean that they dont exist. look they are here in these tales and books, so they must exist."

The atheist freaks aren't logical enough to see that God.. haha yeah, that must be it, they aren't logical enough.

Touch the wall by the computer. Is there anything behind the wall? If you can't see it, it probably isn't there, right? That's what you are saying. You are about as dumb as atheists get.

And you're dumb if you think you can just make up what's behind the wall and portray it as fact.

Science asks what's behind the wall and if we can detect it.

You are right. I would be "dumb" if I did that. That's why I show the evidence and proof:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

And you're dumb if you think you can just make up what's behind the wall and portray it as fact.

You are right. I would be "dumb" if I did that.

Sounds like BADlogic is guessing what's behind the wall and protraying it as fact. He says so himself:

Science is guesswork.

 

Science theory is guesswork. Science law is fact. So, science as a whole is guesswork. The wise person depends on science law.

You don't know if there is anything behind the wall. If you are in construction, your experience might suggest it. Smash through your wall to see if there is anything back there.

NO, Fluffer! Don't really do this. I had to tell you not to do it. Otherwise you just might go around smashing walls to see if there is anything behind them.