Do you believe in god?

[BADecker]

I do believe in God the Creator of heaven and earth. I see from nature that God  manifest himself in living things and nor living things should we deny reality? That list we human being by looking at our nature should know that there is something greater than  our thought, soul and body that dwell inside and outside us. God is my source therefore I believe in him.

Today there is a science with which all are faced and there is no refutation of the teaching of science. All scientific conclusions are supported by evidence. But how can God exist from a scientific point of view? Can it still be considered that God is spirit or scientific, energy or power capable of creating and creating?

All science that explains where the universe and life comes from, is science theory. Science theory is something that is not known to be factual.

Since the universe is here, along with intelligence and life, whatever could cause these things to happen is God. If Big Bang Theory is proven to be the way that the universe came about, then Big Bang is God. So far, according to science, Big Bang is not known to be factual, or even to plausibly exist.

It is not necessary to think unfoundedly
that God is an explosion. It is
necessary to think a little more broadly
and to perceive everything, both
positive and negative energy as an
entire whole. God is a great power.

God is not big bang. But if big bang ever existed, God might be it, or at least working through it.

God, Himself, is beyond energy, although He has energy, and uses energy.

And your proof of this claim is where?

The proof is right here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

Oh, that's right. You don't understand the proof. In addition, you would claim the proof isn't proof even if you understood. But what else can an ignorant, barbarous, unthinking person do? You fit right into the pattern you have built for yourself.

Not proof puddleduck.

Its only your silly assumptions.

Can you please provide proof?

It is as I said. You wouldn't accept the proof as proof if you understood it. Yet you can't show any scienti8fic rebuttal to the scientific proof. So, the proof stands, by you own admission - your non-rebuttal admission.

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I do believe in God the Creator of heaven and earth. I see from nature that God  manifest himself in living things and nor living things should we deny reality? That list we human being by looking at our nature should know that there is something greater than  our thought, soul and body that dwell inside and outside us. God is my source therefore I believe in him.

Today there is a science with which all are faced and there is no refutation of the teaching of science. All scientific conclusions are supported by evidence. But how can God exist from a scientific point of view? Can it still be considered that God is spirit or scientific, energy or power capable of creating and creating?

All science that explains where the universe and life comes from, is science theory. Science theory is something that is not known to be factual.

Since the universe is here, along with intelligence and life, whatever could cause these things to happen is God. If Big Bang Theory is proven to be the way that the universe came about, then Big Bang is God. So far, according to science, Big Bang is not known to be factual, or even to plausibly exist.

It is not necessary to think unfoundedly
that God is an explosion. It is
necessary to think a little more broadly
and to perceive everything, both
positive and negative energy as an
entire whole. God is a great power.

God is not big bang. But if big bang ever existed, God might be it, or at least working through it.

God, Himself, is beyond energy, although He has energy, and uses energy.

And your proof of this claim is where?

The proof is right here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

Oh, that's right. You don't understand the proof. In addition, you would claim the proof isn't proof even if you understood. But what else can an ignorant, barbarous, unthinking person do? You fit right into the pattern you have built for yourself.

Not proof puddleduck.

Its only your silly assumptions.

Can you please provide proof?

It is as I said. You wouldn't accept the proof as proof if you understood it. Yet you can't show any scienti8fic rebuttal to the scientific proof. So, the proof stands, by you own admission - your non-rebuttal admission.

Just for you.......

BADecker's evidence in a nutshell......

Link 1
Machine like nature of the universe.
Cause and effect
Nations looking for God?
BADecker believes that all machines are ultimately the result of a god.

Link 2
Cause and effect

Link 3
Cause and effect

Link 4
Cause and effect

Cause and effect rebuttal
If cause and effect is proof of a god, then who made god? Was it god's god? And who made god's god? was it god's god's god? This is a cycle of infinity. This is no proof.
BADecker simply applies an assumption that  this a god. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC7Ttc9g1u8   

Machines like nature of the universe rebuttal
BADecker believes that machines need a maker and that maker has to be a god. The reality of this is that evolution has caused the changes. http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v481/n7381/full/nature10724.html   

BADecker then claims that this is only theory. The reality is that science is disproving/proving all theories  we (humans) have believed for years. That is the nature of science. For it to be tested by others. People like BADecker will continually use their same argument of assumptions to state there is no proof that god does not exist. The reality is that history has shown that early Vikings believed  "lightning flashed whenever Thor threw his hammer". Science has proven this incorrect.

Nations looking for god rebuttal
BADecker claims that people are looking for how the universe was made. This is true. However, BADecker then claims that because the answers are still not found, the answer must be a god. WRONG.... this is not proof. This is an assumption again on BADecker's part. Science is unlocking secrets every day. Religion is being disproven daily and BADecker continues to hold on to his mindless views.

[Moloch]

Well... when you say it that way...



Makes perfect sense?

[BADecker]

Just for you.......

BADecker's evidence in a nutshell......

Link 1
Machine like nature of the universe.
Cause and effect
Nations looking for God?
BADecker believes that all machines are ultimately the result of a god.

Link 2
Cause and effect

Link 3
Cause and effect

Link 4
Cause and effect

Cause and effect rebuttal
If cause and effect is proof of a god, then who made god? Was it god's god? And who made god's god? was it god's god's god? This is a cycle of infinity. This is no proof.
BADecker simply applies an assumption that  this a god. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC7Ttc9g1u8  

Machines like nature of the universe rebuttal
BADecker believes that machines need a maker and that maker has to be a god. The reality of this is that evolution has caused the changes. http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v481/n7381/full/nature10724.html  

BADecker then claims that this is only theory. The reality is that science is disproving/proving all theories  we (humans) have believed for years. That is the nature of science. For it to be tested by others. People like BADecker will continually use their same argument of assumptions to state there is no proof that god does not exist. The reality is that history has shown that early Vikings believed  "lightning flashed whenever Thor threw his hammer". Science has proven this incorrect.

Nations looking for god rebuttal
BADecker claims that people are looking for how the universe was made. This is true. However, BADecker then claims that because the answers are still not found, the answer must be a god. WRONG.... this is not proof. This is an assumption again on BADecker's part. Science is unlocking secrets every day. Religion is being disproven daily and BADecker continues to hold on to his mindless views.

Your info is completely faulty as is shown by this reply of mine, here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1771311.msg18709342#msg18709342.

[Moloch]

Cause and effect rebuttal
If cause and effect is proof of a god, then who made god? Was it god's god? And who made god's god? was it god's god's god? This is a cycle of infinity. This is no proof.
BADecker simply applies an assumption that  this a god. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC7Ttc9g1u8  

Machines like nature of the universe rebuttal
BADecker believes that machines need a maker and that maker has to be a god. The reality of this is that evolution has caused the changes. http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v481/n7381/full/nature10724.html  

The fact that evolution is true, doesn't in itself disprove creation (they could both be true)

Similarly, just because the bible is provably false, does not prove no gods exist, only that the god of the bible does not exist

The "machine like nature of the universe" rebuttal is the same as the cause and effect...

If the argument is... every machine has a creator, therefore the universe needs a creator... well...
Then the creator is machine-like and also needs a creator, and his creator needs a creator, ad infinitum

[stats]

Just for you.......

BADecker's evidence in a nutshell......

Link 1
Machine like nature of the universe.
Cause and effect
Nations looking for God?
BADecker believes that all machines are ultimately the result of a god.

Link 2
Cause and effect

Link 3
Cause and effect

Link 4
Cause and effect

Cause and effect rebuttal
If cause and effect is proof of a god, then who made god? Was it god's god? And who made god's god? was it god's god's god? This is a cycle of infinity. This is no proof.
BADecker simply applies an assumption that  this a god. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC7Ttc9g1u8  

Machines like nature of the universe rebuttal
BADecker believes that machines need a maker and that maker has to be a god. The reality of this is that evolution has caused the changes. http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v481/n7381/full/nature10724.html  

BADecker then claims that this is only theory. The reality is that science is disproving/proving all theories  we (humans) have believed for years. That is the nature of science. For it to be tested by others. People like BADecker will continually use their same argument of assumptions to state there is no proof that god does not exist. The reality is that history has shown that early Vikings believed  "lightning flashed whenever Thor threw his hammer". Science has proven this incorrect.

Nations looking for god rebuttal
BADecker claims that people are looking for how the universe was made. This is true. However, BADecker then claims that because the answers are still not found, the answer must be a god. WRONG.... this is not proof. This is an assumption again on BADecker's part. Science is unlocking secrets every day. Religion is being disproven daily and BADecker continues to hold on to his mindless views.

Your info is completely faulty as is shown by this reply of mine, here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1771311.msg18709342#msg18709342.

Ha ha ha ha.....

Linking to yourself again!

This really shows you have no understanding of reality.

[BADecker]

Just for you.......

BADecker's evidence in a nutshell......

Link 1
Machine like nature of the universe.
Cause and effect
Nations looking for God?
BADecker believes that all machines are ultimately the result of a god.

Link 2
Cause and effect

Link 3
Cause and effect

Link 4
Cause and effect

Cause and effect rebuttal
If cause and effect is proof of a god, then who made god? Was it god's god? And who made god's god? was it god's god's god? This is a cycle of infinity. This is no proof.
BADecker simply applies an assumption that  this a god. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC7Ttc9g1u8  

Machines like nature of the universe rebuttal
BADecker believes that machines need a maker and that maker has to be a god. The reality of this is that evolution has caused the changes. http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v481/n7381/full/nature10724.html  

BADecker then claims that this is only theory. The reality is that science is disproving/proving all theories  we (humans) have believed for years. That is the nature of science. For it to be tested by others. People like BADecker will continually use their same argument of assumptions to state there is no proof that god does not exist. The reality is that history has shown that early Vikings believed  "lightning flashed whenever Thor threw his hammer". Science has proven this incorrect.

Nations looking for god rebuttal
BADecker claims that people are looking for how the universe was made. This is true. However, BADecker then claims that because the answers are still not found, the answer must be a god. WRONG.... this is not proof. This is an assumption again on BADecker's part. Science is unlocking secrets every day. Religion is being disproven daily and BADecker continues to hold on to his mindless views.

Your info is completely faulty as is shown by this reply of mine, here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1771311.msg18709342#msg18709342.

Ha ha ha ha.....

Linking to yourself again!

This really shows you have no understanding of reality.

Until you rebut the scientific laws of cause and effect, entropy, and complex universe, and how they work together to prove the existence of God, anything and everything you say is irrelevant.

[Tyrantt]

God doesn't want you to be a bad man in life even if it means him using force, fear and manipulation... And even if you live a pretty sinless life, you still commited a sin and you're going to hell so your best bet is to die from some illness as soon as you're baptised.

[Johnnyan]

Yes i do,because when i prayed god for something.He gave me power,trust and faith to gain it by myself

[lunatik]

If course yes

[taked]

God is real and to those atheist and people that doesn't believe, there is still a lot of time for you to repent.

[ivanpoldark]

I do believe in God. There was a time when i did not believe in God. That time did not bring me any benefit at all. I saw all these doc. films, confirming that humanity originate from monkeys. And so what? What can i do with that information? But belief in God, in loving Father, going to the Church every Sunday, that is what fills me with power every day.

[cybersofts]

Do you believe in god? If you do, why do you believe? (give a few reasons)

Why not? who do you think built Earth, space and the solar system?

Nothing creates itself, e.g. Satoshi Nakamoto created the Bitcoin, dude! Everything has a creator!!!

[BADecker]

Do you believe in god? If you do, why do you believe? (give a few reasons)

Why not? who do you think built Earth, space and the solar system?

Nothing creates itself, e.g. Satoshi Nakamoto created the Bitcoin, dude! Everything has a creator!!!

Well I hope you know that not everything in nature has a creator.

Who created rain last week, or snow last year?  Weather God?

With your line of thinking I am surprised you don't believe in Thor and pray to him every time there is a thunderstorm.

God created all these things (and everything else, as well) through the all-encompassing cause and effect He set in place at the Beginning of the universe. Everything in nature has God as its creator.

There is only ONE God. He is powerful and capable beyond our greatest and wildest understanding.

[Tyrantt]

I do believe in God. There was a time when i did not believe in God. That time did not bring me any benefit at all. I saw all these doc. films, confirming that humanity originate from monkeys. And so what? What can i do with that information? But belief in God, in loving Father, going to the Church every Sunday, that is what fills me with power every day.

You don't have to actually believe the whole christianity or every religion as all facts and that there is an actual god, in today's time that can be pretty stupid but you can strongly stand behind the ideas and philosophy of that religion. But whatever makes suites you.

[BADecker]

Do you believe in god? If you do, why do you believe? (give a few reasons)

Why not? who do you think built Earth, space and the solar system?

Nothing creates itself, e.g. Satoshi Nakamoto created the Bitcoin, dude! Everything has a creator!!!

Well I hope you know that not everything in nature has a creator.

Who created rain last week, or snow last year?  Weather God?

With your line of thinking I am surprised you don't believe in Thor and pray to him every time there is a thunderstorm.

God created all these things (and everything else, as well) through the all-encompassing cause and effect He set in place at the Beginning of the universe. Everything in nature has God as its creator.

There is only ONE God. He is powerful and capable beyond our greatest and wildest understanding.

That is because cause and effect that works outside of this universe and happens to work on the otherwise  'undefined' God entity?

Do you even count the mental assumptions you are making to explain this nonsense?

Let me summarize it for you:
- God exists outside of this universe - Cause and effect combined with entropy shows that God made the universe, and set the whole thing in cause-and-effect motion. However, cause and effect doesn't explain (define) God very much. Since there is no example that we have of anything being a part of the thing that it makes, wherein the thing did not exist before it was made, God is outside of the universe. But he is within it as well. Now that He made it, He placed Himself within it.
- God is unexplained - What does this even mean? God is explained by the Bible. The scientific proof that God exists shows that He is extremely powerful and full of knowledge way beyond our understanding.
- God caused the Big Bang - Nobody know that there was a big bang. It is scientific theory. However, if there was a big bang of sorts, God cause it.
- God programmed everything in this universe - We have no evidence of anything other than cause and effect in the universe. Since entropy shows that there was a beginning, and since complexity shows taht there is organization in the universe, Whatever could make this to be like this has to be God. the fact that cause and effect has run for thousands of years, shows that things that exist today have been programmed to be at the beginning, being set to run as they have, to produce the effects of life and intelligence that we see today. Programming!
- God lives in people's minds - Since there is life, thinking and emotion, the Thing that set it in motion through cause and effect thousands of years ago has to have complete control. That is what cause and effect over thousands of years demonstrates. Therefore, God lives in peoples' minds as well as everywhere else, even if it is only through His programming.
- God is responsible for all the good stuff in this universe - Isn't that just what cause and effect produce? Responsibility?
- God is not responsible for all the bad stuff that happens in this universe - Because God offers freedom to people. And they use their freedom to make the bad stuff.
- God loves everyone even children born with genetic defects so he creates them and takes them to heaven earlier than normal, because he loves them - There isn't any "earlier than normal." God loves all people. All people have, at least, the genetic defect of sin. God takes to Heaven all those who accept Jesus salvation.

Add to the list if I missed anything...

Actually, it is you assuming that I am making assumptions.

Look at my responses, above.

[BADecker]

You are just like your Bible.  You contradict yourself.  You cling to your ever disappearing faith like a leach to a host.

Another of your assumptions.

BTW, according to you, babies born with genetic disorders who die before they can accept Jesus as their 'savior' will go to hell.
Nice going.  Makes perfect sense.  Create the retards, kill them and send them to hell.  Nice going Jesus.

Another of your assumptions. Bible scholars who are saying this are assuming it, simply because they don't realize that it is Jesus holding the embryo and fetus and little child alive. The little child probably has faith, but if he doesn't, nobody knows.

Don't you see the holes in this ideology?

If God is loving, why did he create hell from the get go...

How ignorant do you have to prove yourself to be?

God created all things for His purposes, for His glory.

The devil and people created the only thing that God didn't create... destruction. Destruction is what Hell is made out of.

God through Jesus manipulated destruction better than the devil and evil people. He made it into Hell, the place where the devil and wicked, evil people will ultimately wind up. After all, they seem to like it so much as evidenced by the things that they do.

Here you are, trying to detract from God's salvation, trying to hide the dangers of Hell from people. Your wicked evilness will plunge you into Hell destruction, if you do not change. Change while you have time.

[Buffer Overflow]

God created all things for His purposes, for His glory.

Does that include pedophiles and child cancer?

[Moloch]

God created all things for His purposes, for His glory.

Does that include pedophiles and child cancer?

Why do you think so many pedophiles are priests?

[BADecker]

God created all things for His purposes, for His glory.

Does that include pedophiles and child cancer?

Again, God didn't create the evil. When He destroys all of it following the judgment, it will never be remembered or brought to mind again. It will be as though it had never been, and so extremely strong as though it had never been, that it will never have been.