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September 03, 2016, 09:48:55 PM
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If we say Komodo is BTCD 2.0 and want to be fair with BTCD holders - please discuss it with BTCD investors.

I noticed BTCD investors are now "bad holders" and new ICO - the true investors! not really fair!

This (wanting to dilute funds 5 times + no discussion) actually shows abusive approach to investors and is not a good sign for ICO investors.

If you change your approach and do what should be done before - there is still time - it can be much better for all.

So if you call it BTCD 2.0 and want to be fair with current investors + you do not want a bad fame on KMD ICO - this should be cleared.

I'm pretty sure most BTCD holders would accept 6-10k max BTC ICO , which means their funds get dilluted 2-3x, but still allows achieve some goals in the future.

But aware investors would expect some justification of required money, not just some amounts from the moon. How much we need for this, how much for that.. and so on. Sorry - this is busienss approach. Any other approach is not professional at least.

But no discussion = no trust = bad fame, complaining and FUD.

In fact if you treat old investors like that, what you expect?

Summary:

What you win by discussion and going for compromise is:
- respect
- less complaining
- trust, as you prove you treat investors seriously

What invetors need:
- not frozing the price for 10 weeks so low
- not diluting funds so much

No discussion and diluting BTCD so much is a proof for new ICO investors that the team does not care about what investors think. So it's worse then FUD, it's just a proof of a bad approach.





Where do you see mentioned that BTC ICO investors are the real investors and people with BTCD are bag holders?

The 30k BTC figure is the max amount that will be taken. I dont think anyone knows how much it will raise but that is there just in case there is sufficient demand.

Now if you FUD real hard you will help with the dilution problem as less BTC might come in but i would suggest saving your energy till OCT 15th to start.



What we as the community of BTCD should do is to ask for the ICO funds for ourselves as a DAO and only pay to jl777 for the actual work he does (if any). That way the funds would remain in the hands of the community.

It would be an interesting experiment. So far all experiments with community-controlled projects ended not very successfully...

Yes. That is what people dont understand, it is hard coming up with new ideas and actually getting someone to impliment them for you as a Salary......if they had the brains they would just do a startup themselves.





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September 03, 2016, 09:51:44 PM
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This could be another approach - maybe even more fair, but harder to do - ask the BTCD investors for additional money for development.

It's also harder because requires costs estiamtions, to know what we should pay for.

So maybe in the end ICO is best idea, but with lower max, not more then 10k BTC, I think doubling current marketcap would be ok. Still - all investors could buy BTCD already if they wanted to increase share.

What we as the community of BTCD should do is to ask for the ICO funds for ourselves as a DAO and only pay to jl777 for the actual work he does (if any). That way the funds would remain in the hands of the community. In addition, BTCD should still be renamed to Komodo because BTCD needs a better name.

BTCD investors are not going to put BTC into a community fund to pay for a dev if you need even 100 BTC. A lot of the FUDing in here has to do with greed, do you really expect people to be selfless and fund a community project? They never work out on donations alone.





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September 03, 2016, 09:55:47 PM
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Start this new Komodo coin with snapshots just like NXT did. Everyone will be happy. Then, when the Komodo chain has launched make it possible for the KMD stakeholders to print new KMD and sell them on the open market to fund development. This approach has been used before and it works. Let the community control the funds and let it be necessity-based. jl777 you don't really need 30k upfront, it's ridiculous. Just ask the money that you really need and explain where you spend it. If you are going to dilute BTCD holders share then AT LEAST DO IT BIT BY BIT.

No that will artificially inflate the price. NXT went up 4x. The whole point of this exercise is to raise funds for the dPow and to get funding to get other devs and managers on board to deliver the tech faster and more efficiently and not to enrich BTCD holders temporally. The problem with the current state of some of the other projects is that James is the one looking after them all. For Komodo he needs to get people to be able to delegate them the tasks he does not need to be involved in, so he can focus on the tech.

Now in terms of letting the community control the funds, James is a large part of the community, so why cant he control them? The 30k BTC is max and it may not get that. LIke i posted before if you keep FUDDing really hard you can help lower the amount that is invested.





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September 03, 2016, 10:00:47 PM
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Start this new Komodo coin with snapshots just like NXT did. Everyone will be happy. Then, when the Komodo chain has launched make it possible for the KMD stakeholders to print new KMD and sell them on the open market to fund development. This approach has been used before and it works. Let the community control the funds and let it be necessity-based. jl777 you don't really need 30k upfront, it's ridiculous. Just ask the money that you really need and explain where you spend it. If you are going to dilute BTCD holders share then AT LEAST DO IT BIT BY BIT.

No that will artificially inflate the price. NXT went up 4x. The whole point of this exercise is to raise funds for the dPow and to get funding to get other devs and managers on board to deliver the tech faster and more efficiently and not to enrich BTCD holders temporally. The problem with the current state of some of the other projects is that James is the one looking after them all. He needs to get people to be able to delegate them the tasks he does not need to be involved in so he can focus on the tech.

Now in terms of letting the community control the funds, James is a large part of the community, so why cant he control them? The 30k BTC is max and it may not get that. LIke i posted before if you keep FUDDing really hard you can help lower the amount that is invested.

So $17m max for implementing dPoW? Must be one hell of an algorithm.

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Start this new Komodo coin with snapshots just like NXT did. Everyone will be happy. Then, when the Komodo chain has launched make it possible for the KMD stakeholders to print new KMD and sell them on the open market to fund development. This approach has been used before and it works. Let the community control the funds and let it be necessity-based. jl777 you don't really need 30k upfront, it's ridiculous. Just ask the money that you really need and explain where you spend it. If you are going to dilute BTCD holders share then AT LEAST DO IT BIT BY BIT.

No that will artificially inflate the price. NXT went up 4x. The whole point of this exercise is to raise funds for the dPow and to get funding to get other devs and managers on board to deliver the tech faster and more efficiently and not to enrich BTCD holders temporally. The problem with the current state of some of the other projects is that James is the one looking after them all. He needs to get people to be able to delegate them the tasks he does not need to be involved in so he can focus on the tech.

Now in terms of letting the community control the funds, James is a large part of the community, so why cant he control them? The 30k BTC is max and it may not get that. LIke i posted before if you keep FUDDing really hard you can help lower the amount that is invested.

So $17m max for implementing dPoW? Must be one hell of an algorithm.

What if James were only able to raise 500BTC, is that worth 17m? People need to understand that this ICO could be a flop in terms of BTC raised, why is everyone seeing the MAX BTC allowed as what the outcome would be? dPoW from my understanding could cost up to about 500 BTC a year, will you be funding that?





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September 03, 2016, 10:18:24 PM
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Start this new Komodo coin with snapshots just like NXT did. Everyone will be happy. Then, when the Komodo chain has launched make it possible for the KMD stakeholders to print new KMD and sell them on the open market to fund development. This approach has been used before and it works. Let the community control the funds and let it be necessity-based. jl777 you don't really need 30k upfront, it's ridiculous. Just ask the money that you really need and explain where you spend it. If you are going to dilute BTCD holders share then AT LEAST DO IT BIT BY BIT.

No that will artificially inflate the price. NXT went up 4x. The whole point of this exercise is to raise funds for the dPow and to get funding to get other devs and managers on board to deliver the tech faster and more efficiently and not to enrich BTCD holders temporally. The problem with the current state of some of the other projects is that James is the one looking after them all. He needs to get people to be able to delegate them the tasks he does not need to be involved in so he can focus on the tech.

Now in terms of letting the community control the funds, James is a large part of the community, so why cant he control them? The 30k BTC is max and it may not get that. LIke i posted before if you keep FUDDing really hard you can help lower the amount that is invested.

So $17m max for implementing dPoW? Must be one hell of an algorithm.

What if James were only able to raise 500BTC, is that worth 17m? People need to understand that this ICO could be a flop in terms of BTC raised, why is everyone seeing the MAX BTC allowed as what the outcome would be? dPoW from my understanding could cost up to about 500 BTC a year, will you be funding that?

"500 BTC a year"?

Where's that figure come from?

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September 03, 2016, 11:47:21 PM
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"500 BTC a year"?

What is the benefits fforit? How much can you make from it?
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64 nodes x $500 a month x 12 months. $600 BTC means that it will actually take over 600 btc for a year.

This will be paid to the node owners to support the network. If a lower funding amount comes in then this would need to be revisited.






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September 04, 2016, 01:02:28 AM
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64 nodes x $500 a month x 12 months. $600 BTC means that it will actually take over 600 btc for a year.

This will be paid to the node owners to support the network. If a lower funding amount comes in then this would need to be revisited.


The block rewards for nodes including txfees are expected to pay for costs after the initial startup period.

So it is a cost upfront that should eventually be self-sustaining. Changing parameters can be done to reduce costs, so the 500 btc/yr is for the high end scenarios where it represents around 2% of capital

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This is a scam. Zero Knowledge proofs are unproven lack of research field of Cryptography. Sorry this pump will fail
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BTCD will back 0.002
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BTCD will back 0.002

I will buy it all at that price.





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September 04, 2016, 02:02:38 AM
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It is a whole new approach for PoW . Hmm interesting concept the BTCD is building . Going to watch over this.
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It is a whole new approach for PoW . Hmm interesting concept the BTCD is building . Going to watch over this.
Thanks!

I am glad somebody noticed dPoW is a brand new consensus mechanism that provides bitcoin security to all other dPoW chains.




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September 04, 2016, 03:47:26 AM
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It is a whole new approach for PoW . Hmm interesting concept the BTCD is building . Going to watch over this.
Thanks!

I am glad somebody noticed dPoW is a brand new consensus mechanism that provides bitcoin security to all other dPoW chains.





When is the white paper scheduled to be released?

ICO announcement is essentially presentation of concept to potential investors to raise funds
Announcing ICO without proper white paper is like showing up to venture capitalist and saying I have an idea, I can't really explain it, but trust me it's gonna be HUUUGE

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September 04, 2016, 03:54:06 AM
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It is a whole new approach for PoW . Hmm interesting concept the BTCD is building . Going to watch over this.
Thanks!

I am glad somebody noticed dPoW is a brand new consensus mechanism that provides bitcoin security to all other dPoW chains.





When is the white paper scheduled to be released?

ICO announcement is essentially presentation of concept to potential investors to raise funds
Announcing ICO without proper white paper is like showing up to venture capitalist and saying I have an idea, I can't really explain it, but trust me it's gonna be HUUUGE



ICO starts on the 15th of OCT. It will be released before then.





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September 04, 2016, 03:57:02 AM
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Hey James,  
maybe you can give us a statement to thefollowing.

There are dozends of projects and icos from you. jl777, nxtventure, supernet, etc etc

Almost none of your projects is anywhere near finished. The recent project Iguana is not finished.

Now you start the next project and the next ico.

Looks like there is some systematic behind this.

So maybe you can tell us, if you will ever finish a project?
While I have done many projects, I think "dozens" is an exaggeration. Similarily your statement about no projects finished is a bit harsh.

jl777hodl is a holding fund for various crypto projects. As such it has been finished for years. It was the first asset that started trading and made history, this was something like 2 years ago. I would consider this finished.

MGW is multigateway.com and that also has been finished and in service for over a year. Since it is working and being used for over a year, I would consider that finished.

NXTventure is another one that has been finished for over a year. It has paid out in dividends more than I think any other NXT asset by value of dividends at the time it was sent out. Again, the future of NXTventure is hampered by all the changes with NXT that is out of my control, however I would consider NXTventure was completed.

SuperNET is a hybrid holding vehicle and technology incubator. At least that is one way to look at it. http://www.supernet.org/nav.php shows its current holdings and despite being hit by a 75% reduction in its NAV the first year (mostly due to NXT price decline and my not actively trading), the NAV has more than doubled to within striking distance of the original. This is achieved while paying for all the costs to run SuperNET out of the investment gains. Now what other project self-funds from investment gains that it makes?

I have issued more than a dozen proxy assets, such as mgwBTC and superBTC. These asset's function is to represent 1:1 the BTC to allow using the NXT AE to trade them via blockchain. I did this 2 years ago and I am pretty sure it was the first tokenDEX that allowed trading of crypto against crypto. This is 2 years ago, when just now we finally see other solutions of this kind appearing. I would consider these assets completed.

Iguana is a bitcoin daemon and wallet that can sync the entire BTC blockchain from scratch in 2 hours. It also can sync over a dozen other coins, all from a self-contained codebase that I wrote from scratch. Its codesize is about 3MB and it has been ported from unix to osx, win32, win64, android and chrome app. docs.supernet.org documents its API bindings and it is now in the final stages of debug and will be used as a component within komodo. I have seen some GUI that is looking pretty good and for basic wallet function and parallel sync it appears to be working, though I do the core level code and not the GUI so I cant speak for it in detail.

Is iguana completed? Not quite, but it is very close and I suggest you take a look at it. The source code has been open and available during the development process at https://github.com/jl777/SuperNET and you can see that I have been quite busy over the years. docs.supernet.org documents the API

crypto777: this is an ongoing technology revenue asset and as soon as project start generating revenues, it will too. It basically represents revenues from the technology that I do that doesnt already have an asset to encapsulate its revenues. In some sense it is done, just that the revenue streams are flowing yet. Maybe this is in an in-between state, but there was no ICO per se for this, so not sure if you have an issue with it.

Now to the real unfinished projects list, however please note that there was NO ICO for these and it was funded by small number of private investors, so I dont think it is fair for you to criticize them as an incomplete ICO, as they were not even ICO:

InstantDEX: easyDEX is in last stages of coding/debugging and is part of the overall solution of loosely coupled blockchains using atomic swaps. The full InstantDEX was mostly working last year(!) however due to disappearance of GUI dev combine with NXT increasing txfees dramatically while reducing the available space to store data, made an InstantDEX built on NXT uneconomic. Should InstantDEX have been finished by now? Yes. I made a mistake of building the InstantDEX on top of NXT, which is a platform that I had no voice in and when everything was changed and made it so a few of my projects became unviable, my protests were met with a "you should have known better". OK, so lesson learned and now I know better, I wrote iguana from scratch so its entirety I am in control. Never again will I be at the mercy of arbitrary changes that break backward compatibility and the fundamental economic model of a service I built on top of it.

Pangea: this is a decentralized poker service that is in a holding pattern now due to the retooling required to switch from a NXT based service to iguana based.

Tradebots/NXTcoinsco: part of this is in the process of being completed within the easyDEX framework, but again the shift from NXT based to iguana based was a delay factor.

NXTprivacy: this is mostly a deprecated asset due to my shift from NXT to iguana, but I do have a plan to infuse some life to it after the dust settles from the other projects. In any case it never did any ICO and didnt even do much of secondary trading on NXT AE, so its priority has been low.

Do you want me to list the projects that I didnt even raise funds from private investors and are just various technology projects that I have percolating? Not sure why you would have any complaints if I have a lot of projects in the research phase that I have not raised funds for.

I proposed an Asset Passport system, which is a way to protect asset issuer and holders by allowing them to migrate from chain to chain. This was actually the genesis of dPoW which evolved from the need to secure weak PoS chains. I never raised any funds for this.

I have proposed Teleport, Telepathy and PAX within the BTCD context, but I did not do any ICO to raise funds to develop this. Teleport at a high level is similar to zcash, in that there is a blackbox of bits representing the transaction, but the math behind the zero knowledge proofs is a step above anything else and I always want to use the best tech solution for my systems, even if it means replacing something I made. Telepathy is a network level privacy "mixer" and this will work on top of the komodo, of course it needs for komodo to be finalized and also its urgency is much less due to the strength of zcash tech. PAX has been coded to alpha level, but as an unfunded project has been back burnered and also waits for the full transition to iguana. Is it is disappointing that these things have not been completed yet? Sure, but I am just one guy coding away most days and many have advised me to get more help at the core level. The issue is I cant find any other C coders at my level who will work for anything less than a lot of money.

I am also providing free consulting for many projects, they just have to ask and I try to help as I can, which is usually with some technical ideas. I am not the one actually doing these projects though, so I hope you do not hold me responsible for any delivery status of all the projects I have helped with my advice.

I understand if you see all these projects and there isnt the level of success you want to see. After all if it was all finished and a big success I wouldnt have to be working these 14 hour days 28 days a month, continuously.

However, the perception that I never finish everything is not correct. The perception that I do dozens of ICOs and just spend all the money and ask for more, is not correct.

I have done exactly one ICO outside of the NXT assets, and that is SuperNET. Its charter for use of funds is primarily to make investments and I have been funding operations from the profits, while growing the NAV from a low of .002 to its current .006 level.

If you can name any other ICO I conducted where funds were raised and I havent delivered anything, I am curious to know what it is. As you can see I am not limited in the number of ideas, nor do I feel their quality is low. What I need is more resources. I had hoped to get at least half a dozen volunteers to work on the core C projects, but alas, there were none.

With komodo there is the possibility of creating not only the first dPoW implementation, but also to fund all of the pending projects that are in slow motion due to my only having 16 hours per day to work and I am slacking off this year by working only 14 hours per day.

James



What about Waves? Seems you raised 30k btc there. I havnt followed it at all, but it seems strange that it was not mentioned at all here, given that they are so closely tied to the vision of Supernet.

How is Waves doing?
 
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James is not part of Waves, that belongs to Sasha and Co. He did invest Supernet funds into Waves.





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This is a scam. Zero Knowledge proofs are unproven lack of research field of Cryptography. Sorry this pump will fail
Strange...

https://github.com/zcash/zips/blob/master/protocol/protocol.pdf

There seems to be  a lot of math proofs and a lot of research and a protocol specification.

What part of this doesnt meet your high standards?

Also, zcash appears to be 9% of the most cited research in this field: http://saweis.net/posts/most-cited-security-papers-2013-2014.html


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September 04, 2016, 04:04:31 AM
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What about Waves? Seems you raised 30k btc there. I havnt followed it at all, but it seems strange that it was not mentioned at all here, given that they are so closely tied to the vision of Supernet.

How is Waves doing?
Waves wasnt mentioned. Neither was IOTA. Neither was Stratis. Neither was HEAT

SuperNET owns significant stakes in all four of those projects:

http://www.supernet.org/nav.php

I didnt mention these projects in the komodo ICO as it doesnt relate to them and being invested in a project, giving advice to it, is different than conducting an offering.

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