Is taxation theft?

[BADecker]

Before anyone complains about taxation being thievery, that person should tell us who pays the Policeman,Soldiers,Firemen and how come they had hospitals to go to and who pays for the roads they drive on. Its a give and take example, You pay taxes and the Government provide these.

Forget Government. Do you want fire protection? How about police protection? How about soldier protection and hospitals? Forget taxes. Buy what you want. That way you don't have to buy a bunch of BS that you don't want. And, there will be competition among the service offerers, so the prices will come down. And you will easily be able to take the service providers to court if they don't follow through.

Suuuuuuuuuuuure
Let's everything become private! Why not?
I mean what's private in USA and is not in civilized countries? Healthcare.
And how is USA doing in healthcare?

healthcare: 37. Just better than Slovenia, you're doing great yeah!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems_in_2000

Oh look at that! All the 10 best healthcare system in the world are public ones funded by taxation!!!
Could there be a link?

Nah must be just because USA isn't lucky.

Are you trying to sell people on an idea here? Or are you simply in favor of stealing property from people to accomplish a less expensive system for yourself?

Statistics regarding government services through taxation are going to be warped. Why? Because government is a money-making machine. And the statistics they put out, or allow to be put out, are going to be doctored so that they can eliminate as much of the competition as possible.

Hitler did it. Stalin did it. But in America, they have learned through the failure of Hitler and the failure of the USSR that you have to remain unknown, behind the scenes, if you want success. That's why the real Government in America isn't the President and Congress... or even the judicial system.

[mainpmf]

Before anyone complains about taxation being thievery, that person should tell us who pays the Policeman,Soldiers,Firemen and how come they had hospitals to go to and who pays for the roads they drive on. Its a give and take example, You pay taxes and the Government provide these.

Forget Government. Do you want fire protection? How about police protection? How about soldier protection and hospitals? Forget taxes. Buy what you want. That way you don't have to buy a bunch of BS that you don't want. And, there will be competition among the service offerers, so the prices will come down. And you will easily be able to take the service providers to court if they don't follow through.

Suuuuuuuuuuuure
Let's everything become private! Why not?
I mean what's private in USA and is not in civilized countries? Healthcare.
And how is USA doing in healthcare?

healthcare: 37. Just better than Slovenia, you're doing great yeah!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems_in_2000

Oh look at that! All the 10 best healthcare system in the world are public ones funded by taxation!!!
Could there be a link?

Nah must be just because USA isn't lucky.

Are you trying to sell people on an idea here? Or are you simply in favor of stealing property from people to accomplish a less expensive system for yourself?

Statistics regarding government services through taxation are going to be warped. Why? Because government is a money-making machine. And the statistics they put out, or allow to be put out, are going to be doctored so that they can eliminate as much of the competition as possible.

Hitler did it. Stalin did it. But in America, they have learned through the failure of Hitler and the failure of the USSR that you have to remain unknown, behind the scenes, if you want success. That's why the real Government in America isn't the President and Congress... or even the judicial system.

Oh it's YOU PEOPLE who are trying to sell an idea here.
The idea that tax is theft.
Well it's simply not true. Tax is optimization and shared responsability.

"Statistics regarding government services through taxation are going to be warped. Why? Because government is a money-making machine." dumb, it doesn't change the money SPENT.
It's not because they can print money that it's not more efficient.

[BADecker]

Before anyone complains about taxation being thievery, that person should tell us who pays the Policeman,Soldiers,Firemen and how come they had hospitals to go to and who pays for the roads they drive on. Its a give and take example, You pay taxes and the Government provide these.

Forget Government. Do you want fire protection? How about police protection? How about soldier protection and hospitals? Forget taxes. Buy what you want. That way you don't have to buy a bunch of BS that you don't want. And, there will be competition among the service offerers, so the prices will come down. And you will easily be able to take the service providers to court if they don't follow through.

Suuuuuuuuuuuure
Let's everything become private! Why not?
I mean what's private in USA and is not in civilized countries? Healthcare.
And how is USA doing in healthcare?

healthcare: 37. Just better than Slovenia, you're doing great yeah!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems_in_2000

Oh look at that! All the 10 best healthcare system in the world are public ones funded by taxation!!!
Could there be a link?

Nah must be just because USA isn't lucky.

Are you trying to sell people on an idea here? Or are you simply in favor of stealing property from people to accomplish a less expensive system for yourself?

Statistics regarding government services through taxation are going to be warped. Why? Because government is a money-making machine. And the statistics they put out, or allow to be put out, are going to be doctored so that they can eliminate as much of the competition as possible.

Hitler did it. Stalin did it. But in America, they have learned through the failure of Hitler and the failure of the USSR that you have to remain unknown, behind the scenes, if you want success. That's why the real Government in America isn't the President and Congress... or even the judicial system.

Oh it's YOU PEOPLE who are trying to sell an idea here.
The idea that tax is theft.
Well it's simply not true. Tax is optimization and shared responsability.

"Statistics regarding government services through taxation are going to be warped. Why? Because government is a money-making machine." dumb, it doesn't change the money SPENT.
It's not because they can print money that it's not more efficient.

If taxation isn't theft, then what is it?

If you give your taxes willingly, then it is a donation.

If you pay taxes because you are forced to do it, it is theft.

[mainpmf]

If taxation isn't theft, then what is it?

If you give your taxes willingly, then it is a donation.

If you pay taxes because you are forced to do it, it is theft.

It's not simply because you also receive something from the tax taken.

If you renounce to everything tax is funding you no longer have to pay tax. That's obvious and that's reality.

[BADecker]

If taxation isn't theft, then what is it?

If you give your taxes willingly, then it is a donation.

If you pay taxes because you are forced to do it, it is theft.

It's not simply because you also receive something from the tax taken.

If you renounce to everything tax is funding you no longer have to pay tax. That's obvious and that's reality.

Taxation allows the taxation people to do with the money whatever they want.

When you go to the store to buy apples and milk, you pay for them and get a receipt. Why not have to pay? Why not simply pay taxes and get your milk and apples free?

They tried that in the USSR, and it didn't work out, even though it lasted for a long time. The only reason the socialistic "free" countries of Europe are lasting is because they maintain some free enterprise beyond taxation.

Go the other way. But it all as you wish, not as you are forced. Free enterprise in government. Buy the government services you want rather than being forced through taxation.

[mainpmf]

If taxation isn't theft, then what is it?

If you give your taxes willingly, then it is a donation.

If you pay taxes because you are forced to do it, it is theft.

It's not simply because you also receive something from the tax taken.

If you renounce to everything tax is funding you no longer have to pay tax. That's obvious and that's reality.

Taxation allows the taxation people to do with the money whatever they want.

When you go to the store to buy apples and milk, you pay for them and get a receipt. Why not have to pay? Why not simply pay taxes and get your milk and apples free?

Not a bad idea.

They tried that in the USSR, and it didn't work out, even though it lasted for a long time.

Nope they didn't try that. Calling USSR communist is just the usual dumb West propaganda.

The only reason the socialistic "free" countries of Europe are lasting is because they maintain some free enterprise beyond taxation.

What are you talking about?

Go the other way. But it all as you wish, not as you are forced. Free enterprise in government. Buy the government services you want rather than being forced through taxation.

Nope, the principle of taxation is that you pay what you can and you get what you need.
That's not possible with just public services.

[BADecker]

Go the other way. But it all as you wish, not as you are forced. Free enterprise in government. Buy the government services you want rather than being forced through taxation.

Nope, the principle of taxation is that you pay what you can and you get what you need.
That's not possible with just public services.

The principle of taxation is that you pay. Often you don't get what you think you are paying for. Often you get things you don't want or need.

Get rid of taxation. Buy what you want or need. If Government is the best supplier, buy it from Government. But, be allowed to choose rather than forced.

[mainpmf]

Go the other way. But it all as you wish, not as you are forced. Free enterprise in government. Buy the government services you want rather than being forced through taxation.

Nope, the principle of taxation is that you pay what you can and you get what you need.
That's not possible with just public services.

The principle of taxation is that you pay. Often you don't get what you think you are paying for. Often you get things you don't want or need.

Get rid of taxation. Buy what you want or need. If Government is the best supplier, buy it from Government. But, be allowed to choose rather than forced.

And if you can't because you don't have the money for it? :/
Look at USA, numerous people, even with good insurance, simply don't have the money to pay for healthcare...

[BADecker]

Go the other way. But it all as you wish, not as you are forced. Free enterprise in government. Buy the government services you want rather than being forced through taxation.

Nope, the principle of taxation is that you pay what you can and you get what you need.
That's not possible with just public services.

The principle of taxation is that you pay. Often you don't get what you think you are paying for. Often you get things you don't want or need.

Get rid of taxation. Buy what you want or need. If Government is the best supplier, buy it from Government. But, be allowed to choose rather than forced.

And if you can't because you don't have the money for it? :/
Look at USA, numerous people, even with good insurance, simply don't have the money to pay for healthcare...

I don't like the idea of death, either. But all people seem to die sooner or later.

No money? Work for it. Don't steal it from others, even by hiring a bunch of government people to do the robbery for you through taxation.

[mainpmf]

Go the other way. But it all as you wish, not as you are forced. Free enterprise in government. Buy the government services you want rather than being forced through taxation.

Nope, the principle of taxation is that you pay what you can and you get what you need.
That's not possible with just public services.

The principle of taxation is that you pay. Often you don't get what you think you are paying for. Often you get things you don't want or need.

Get rid of taxation. Buy what you want or need. If Government is the best supplier, buy it from Government. But, be allowed to choose rather than forced.

And if you can't because you don't have the money for it? :/
Look at USA, numerous people, even with good insurance, simply don't have the money to pay for healthcare...

I don't like the idea of death, either. But all people seem to die sooner or later.

No money? Work for it. Don't steal it from others, even by hiring a bunch of government people to do the robbery for you through taxation.

So if you got a basic income and you get a cancer, treatment costing about 2 or 3 millions, how do you do?
You die?
Because it doesn't matter how hard you work or how honest you are, you can't get 3 millions normal way.

[Xester]

Go the other way. But it all as you wish, not as you are forced. Free enterprise in government. Buy the government services you want rather than being forced through taxation.

Nope, the principle of taxation is that you pay what you can and you get what you need.
That's not possible with just public services.

The principle of taxation is that you pay. Often you don't get what you think you are paying for. Often you get things you don't want or need.

Get rid of taxation. Buy what you want or need. If Government is the best supplier, buy it from Government. But, be allowed to choose rather than forced.

And if you can't because you don't have the money for it? :/
Look at USA, numerous people, even with good insurance, simply don't have the money to pay for healthcare...

I don't like the idea of death, either. But all people seem to die sooner or later.

No money? Work for it. Don't steal it from others, even by hiring a bunch of government people to do the robbery for you through taxation.

Taxation is not robbery but a social obligation. If we do not pay our taxes then we can not have the welfare services from our government. Look at the United States their taxes is working on them they have 911 that will give you police power at your service including medical services during emergency. Without taxes there will be no government and the burglar will kill you since you cannot call for help.

[Symphony_fr]

Go the other way. But it all as you wish, not as you are forced. Free enterprise in government. Buy the government services you want rather than being forced through taxation.

Nope, the principle of taxation is that you pay what you can and you get what you need.
That's not possible with just public services.

The principle of taxation is that you pay. Often you don't get what you think you are paying for. Often you get things you don't want or need.

Get rid of taxation. Buy what you want or need. If Government is the best supplier, buy it from Government. But, be allowed to choose rather than forced.

And if you can't because you don't have the money for it? :/
Look at USA, numerous people, even with good insurance, simply don't have the money to pay for healthcare...

I don't like the idea of death, either. But all people seem to die sooner or later.

No money? Work for it. Don't steal it from others, even by hiring a bunch of government people to do the robbery for you through taxation.

Taxation is not robbery but a social obligation. If we do not pay our taxes then we can not have the welfare services from our government. Look at the United States their taxes is working on them they have 911 that will give you police power at your service including medical services during emergency. Without taxes there will be no government and the burglar will kill you since you cannot call for help.

Paper money can in fact be printed in any quantity to provide the state, and taxes are made of slave people not allowing them to live normally.

[youdamushi]

Taxation is not robbery but a social obligation. If we do not pay our taxes then we can not have the welfare services from our government. Look at the United States their taxes is working on them they have 911 that will give you police power at your service including medical services during emergency. Without taxes there will be no government and the burglar will kill you since you cannot call for help.

They want you to pay for that...

You know that for example after the 9/11, people came to help. Well lots of them are sick now after helping, and they can't afford the cure...

[28days_ever]

Taxation is not robbery but a social obligation. If we do not pay our taxes then we can not have the welfare services from our government. Look at the United States their taxes is working on them they have 911 that will give you police power at your service including medical services during emergency. Without taxes there will be no government and the burglar will kill you since you cannot call for help.

They want you to pay for that...

You know that for example after the 9/11, people came to help. Well lots of them are sick now after helping, and they can't afford the cure...

Many people who regularly pay taxes in difficult times can be without the help of the state and they will need to rely only on themselves or on someone else.

[richsoon]

Taxation is not theft, I know many people here would love a world without government but the reality is despite some of the things you dislike about government, it allows society to function. Another way to look at taxation is to consider it as a rent for living in the society you live in, no one would say its theft to pay rent on a car/house but for some reason people seem to think differently when its the government doing it.

[Lampaster]

Taxation is not robbery but a social obligation. If we do not pay our taxes then we can not have the welfare services from our government. Look at the United States their taxes is working on them they have 911 that will give you police power at your service including medical services during emergency. Without taxes there will be no government and the burglar will kill you since you cannot call for help.

They want you to pay for that...

You know that for example after the 9/11, people came to help. Well lots of them are sick now after helping, and they can't afford the cure...

This situation with the medical care of 9/11 rescue workers only confirms the thesis that taxes is theft.

[youdamushi]

Taxation is not robbery but a social obligation. If we do not pay our taxes then we can not have the welfare services from our government. Look at the United States their taxes is working on them they have 911 that will give you police power at your service including medical services during emergency. Without taxes there will be no government and the burglar will kill you since you cannot call for help.

They want you to pay for that...

You know that for example after the 9/11, people came to help. Well lots of them are sick now after helping, and they can't afford the cure...

This situation with the medical care of 9/11 rescue workers only confirms the thesis that taxes is theft.

How is that?
How does that show it's theft?

[BADecker]

Go the other way. But it all as you wish, not as you are forced. Free enterprise in government. Buy the government services you want rather than being forced through taxation.

Nope, the principle of taxation is that you pay what you can and you get what you need.
That's not possible with just public services.

The principle of taxation is that you pay. Often you don't get what you think you are paying for. Often you get things you don't want or need.

Get rid of taxation. Buy what you want or need. If Government is the best supplier, buy it from Government. But, be allowed to choose rather than forced.

And if you can't because you don't have the money for it? :/
Look at USA, numerous people, even with good insurance, simply don't have the money to pay for healthcare...

I don't like the idea of death, either. But all people seem to die sooner or later.

No money? Work for it. Don't steal it from others, even by hiring a bunch of government people to do the robbery for you through taxation.

Taxation is not robbery but a social obligation. If we do not pay our taxes then we can not have the welfare services from our government. Look at the United States their taxes is working on them they have 911 that will give you police power at your service including medical services during emergency. Without taxes there will be no government and the burglar will kill you since you cannot call for help.

Just the idea of social obligation without voluntary joining ones self to such social obligation is a form of theft. The theft is that those who want social obligation are forcing those who don't want it into the mentality of it.

Good. Get rid of welfare.

Police in the States aren't required to do anything, by law.

Wrong. Without taxes, if you want police protection, pay for it directly. Perhaps you own guns and don't need police protection. Why should you be forced to buy it through taxes?

Taxes are theft. Tax collectors are the thieves. Buy police protection to protect yourself from these tax collector thieves.

[Kronos21]

Taxation is not robbery but a social obligation. If we do not pay our taxes then we can not have the welfare services from our government. Look at the United States their taxes is working on them they have 911 that will give you police power at your service including medical services during emergency. Without taxes there will be no government and the burglar will kill you since you cannot call for help.

They want you to pay for that...

You know that for example after the 9/11, people came to help. Well lots of them are sick now after helping, and they can't afford the cure...

This situation with the medical care of 9/11 rescue workers only confirms the thesis that taxes is theft.

How is that?
How does that show it's theft?

How do American people? According to official data more than 300 million people. Add to this the illegals who are working and indirectly also pay taxes. So many taxes and fees and no money for treatment of rescuers? I don't believe. Officials sent the money to repair his office, but not for the treatment of rescuers. What is that but theft?

[youdamushi]

Taxation is not robbery but a social obligation. If we do not pay our taxes then we can not have the welfare services from our government. Look at the United States their taxes is working on them they have 911 that will give you police power at your service including medical services during emergency. Without taxes there will be no government and the burglar will kill you since you cannot call for help.

They want you to pay for that...

You know that for example after the 9/11, people came to help. Well lots of them are sick now after helping, and they can't afford the cure...

This situation with the medical care of 9/11 rescue workers only confirms the thesis that taxes is theft.

How is that?
How does that show it's theft?

How do American people? According to official data more than 300 million people. Add to this the illegals who are working and indirectly also pay taxes. So many taxes and fees and no money for treatment of rescuers? I don't believe. Officials sent the money to repair his office, but not for the treatment of rescuers. What is that but theft?

Hmm... Hellooooooo?
Are you even aware that taxation does NOT fund healthcare in USA?
That's exactly what I'm talking about...