Is taxation theft?

[joebrook]

With the protection we get from our law enforcements and other social amenities, we shouldn't be saying that taxation is a theft though we can be over taxed at times, I think in the end taxation is really important to the economy of every country.

[PeterTheGrape]

With the protection we get from our law enforcements and other social amenities, we shouldn't be saying that taxation is a theft though we can be over taxed at times, I think in the end taxation is really important to the economy of every country.

Building a society around law enforcement is not smart.

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In your example there is one error. When he collected money from all and built a powerhouse that everyone who gave money for its construction must receive electricity for free. In our life we sell electricity. It turns out we're paying twice. And the income goes into someone else's pocket.

Only if you're taking it literally. This doesn't have to be a power plant, but a bus service that will take their kids to school every day, a teacher that will teach these kids in a classroom, which is much cheaper than private tutoring, street lamps, pavements, emergency services... All those things are provided and maintained with taxes.

But the question isn't really about 0.0001% of taxes spent on streetlights, it is about the high percentage spent on 'defense', housing marijuana smokers and the mentally ill in prisons, etc.

The solution is a crypto based economy that involves consensus spending, with smarter people individually having an edge to insert occasional checks and balances, rather than gangs of power crazy bureaucrats running amok.

The trillions wasted on nonsense could easily be diverted or redirected to science and space programs that would solve a lot of problems at once. The price would be shifted to mass casualties that would be involved in a space program. A better path.

[BADecker]

Notice the recent jump in the price of Bitcoin? Two months ago it was barely above $1,000. The changes were basically because of the Japanese and Chinese Governments destabilizing their currencies somewhat.

Think about what will happen when the freer people in the world realize that there are few if any controls on Bitcoin. And that virtually none of the controls are Governmental. They'll dive at Bitcoin, and the price will go to an easy $100,000 in two months. The Government and banker controlled world money system will collapse in one day... if not with that surge, then with the next one.

[PeterTheGrape]

Notice the recent jump in the price of Bitcoin? Two months ago it was barely above $1,000. The changes were basically because of the Japanese and Chinese Governments destabilizing their currencies somewhat.

Think about what will happen when the freer people in the world realize that there are few if any controls on Bitcoin. And that virtually none of the controls are Governmental. They'll dive at Bitcoin, and the price will go to an easy $100,000 in two months. The Government and banker controlled world money system will collapse in one day... if not with that surge, then with the next one.

Japan approved bitcoin as a method of payment, so it has some government 'authority' as currency.

People use the currency that is easiest and has the most benefits. If somebody has a gun to your head and tells you to use their currency, it is easiest to do that.

Today more people realize that the conventional economic systems are wasting vast resources. Cryptocurrency will let people, including those in organizations like government, use computing power tied to currency to incentivize certain things and spur rapid development in certain areas. If science coins were to take the place of 1/10,000th of the fiat economy there would be rapid cures found to many diseases. Once algorithms become more complex there will be new fields of mathematics developed on a regular basis.

Bitcoin itself is a wasteful currency, akin to "central bankers" or whatever.

Useful coins rule.

[BADecker]

Notice the recent jump in the price of Bitcoin? Two months ago it was barely above $1,000. The changes were basically because of the Japanese and Chinese Governments destabilizing their currencies somewhat.

Think about what will happen when the freer people in the world realize that there are few if any controls on Bitcoin. And that virtually none of the controls are Governmental. They'll dive at Bitcoin, and the price will go to an easy $100,000 in two months. The Government and banker controlled world money system will collapse in one day... if not with that surge, then with the next one.

Japan approved bitcoin as a method of payment, so it has some government 'authority' as currency.

People use the currency that is easiest and has the most benefits. If somebody has a gun to your head and tells you to use their currency, it is easiest to do that.

Today more people realize that the conventional economic systems are wasting vast resources. Cryptocurrency will let people, including those in organizations like government, use computing power tied to currency to incentivize certain things and spur rapid development in certain areas. If science coins were to take the place of 1/10,000th of the fiat economy there would be rapid cures found to many diseases. Once algorithms become more complex there will be new fields of mathematics developed on a regular basis.

Bitcoin itself is a wasteful currency, akin to "central bankers" or whatever.

Useful coins rule.

Somebody should start a cryptocurrency called "Captchacoin." Since that name is already taken, we'd have to find a different one.

It would work like this:
1. Coins are introduced by reading captcha's in the client.
2. The faster you can type to match the captcha's on your screen, the more captchacoins you get.
3. If you stop for a month while on vacation, the value of your captchacoins will go down, because of everyone else doing it; more coins means less value for each.
4. The faster you can type accurately, the more coins you get.
5. In the long run, there will be so many people doing it, that the price will level off.
6. There will be no miners with $millions in equipment necessary.

This is a start towards the idea. Anybody want to develop it with me? Because it is something anybody can do, it will become popular and widespread in a short time. It will also change the wealth of the world into the humble hands of the poor.

The above points are just the basics. Anybody want to add his valued thoughts to make it practical?

[PeterTheGrape]

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Somebody should start a cryptocurrency called "Captchacoin." Since that name is already taken, we'd have to find a different one.

It would work like this:
1. Coins are introduced by reading captcha's in the client.
2. The faster you can type to match the captcha's on your screen, the more captchacoins you get.
3. If you stop for a month while on vacation, the value of your captchacoins will go down, because of everyone else doing it; more coins means less value for each.
4. The faster you can type accurately, the more coins you get.
5. In the long run, there will be so many people doing it, that the price will level off.
6. There will be no miners with $millions in equipment necessary.

This is a start towards the idea. Anybody want to develop it with me? Because it is something anybody can do, it will become popular and widespread in a short time. It will also change the wealth of the world into the humble hands of the poor.

The above points are just the basics. Anybody want to add his valued thoughts to make it practical?

There are already companies like CrowdFlower https://www.crowdflower.com/ that do that, a coin would just be a little more efficient.

But instead of filling capchas, could do more complex tasks, but those more complex tasks would have to evolve and be built around something useful.

[BADecker]

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Somebody should start a cryptocurrency called "Captchacoin." Since that name is already taken, we'd have to find a different one.

It would work like this:
1. Coins are introduced by reading captcha's in the client.
2. The faster you can type to match the captcha's on your screen, the more captchacoins you get.
3. If you stop for a month while on vacation, the value of your captchacoins will go down, because of everyone else doing it; more coins means less value for each.
4. The faster you can type accurately, the more coins you get.
5. In the long run, there will be so many people doing it, that the price will level off.
6. There will be no miners with $millions in equipment necessary.

This is a start towards the idea. Anybody want to develop it with me? Because it is something anybody can do, it will become popular and widespread in a short time. It will also change the wealth of the world into the humble hands of the poor.

The above points are just the basics. Anybody want to add his valued thoughts to make it practical?

There are already companies like CrowdFlower https://www.crowdflower.com/ that do that, a coin would just be a little more efficient.

But instead of filling capchas, could do more complex tasks, but those more complex tasks would have to evolve and be built around something useful.

Thanks. I looked at CrowdFlower. I don't see that it is doing what I had in mind.

I was thinking of something where the average guy could:
1. Download the Captchacoin client just like you download Bitcoin-core;
2. Install it on your computer in just the same way;
3. "Mine" captchacoins by solving captchas which the client would create and place on your screen.

The client would provide complex (but doable by anyone) captchas right on your screen, and when you solved them you would get a coin. The more you solved, the more coins you would get. They would be stored in your wallet, and when you went back online, they would be uploaded to the Captchacoin blockchain as yours, in one of your wallets. If your OS or computer were in need of an upgrade, and the system crashed, your latest captchacoins might be lost.

The more coins that were mined, the less the value of each, not because of any client-built-in devaluation, but because the more of anything that there is, the less rare it is, and the less value it has. People would have to keep mining to keep value. In general, hodling would be of no value. This means that people would have to trade their coins for cash, gold or products if they wanted to maintain value. This means that there would be a growing market created.

If devs wanted some value to remain, the whole client could be built in such a way that later coins only held partial value of earlier coins, based on some simple "halving" algorithm... something like mining bitcoin blocks changes every 4 years. The halving wouldn't be based on time, but based directly on the blockchain record number of coins. There would be no limit as to the number of coins that could be mined/solved.

Does CrowdFlower provide the ability to do something like that?

[PeterTheGrape]

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Thanks. I looked at CrowdFlower. I don't see that it is doing what I had in mind.

I was thinking of something where the average guy could:
1. Download the Captchacoin client just like you download Bitcoin-core;
2. Install it on your computer in just the same way;
3. "Mine" captchacoins by solving captchas which the client would create and place on your screen.

The client would provide complex (but doable by anyone) captchas right on your screen, and when you solved them you would get a coin. The more you solved, the more coins you would get. They would be stored in your wallet, and when you went back online, they would be uploaded to the Captchacoin blockchain as yours, in one of your wallets. If your OS or computer were in need of an upgrade, and the system crashed, your latest captchacoins might be lost.

The more coins that were mined, the less the value of each, not because of any client-built-in devaluation, but because the more of anything that there is, the less rare it is, and the less value it has. People would have to keep mining to keep value. In general, hodling would be of no value. This means that people would have to trade their coins for cash, gold or products if they wanted to maintain value. This means that there would be a growing market created.

If devs wanted some value to remain, the whole client could be built in such a way that later coins only held partial value of earlier coins, based on some simple "halving" algorithm... something like mining bitcoin blocks changes every 4 years. The halving wouldn't be based on time, but based directly on the blockchain record number of coins. There would be no limit as to the number of coins that could be mined/solved.

Does CrowdFlower provide the ability to do something like that?

Crowdflower will deliver capchas to your desktop, you solve them, then they give you bitcoin. The employer who hires crowdflower to subcontract to you is a spammer of course.

More practical as a currency would be have an algorithm that allows any human input, then have people respond to that input, or reate bots to respond to it if they can.

For example

1) You receive questions on the blockchain and are paid a coin to answer them, or to create a bot that can answer them.

2) Somebody else who wants your work, or who wants to subcontract bot technology, provides their latest algorithm for generating questions.

You would have a coin that could be used to subcontract any kind of development quickly and results based with no bureaucracy.

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If your goal is specifically spam then you could make a coin like that but hopefully nobody would support it.

[BADecker]

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Thanks. I looked at CrowdFlower. I don't see that it is doing what I had in mind.

I was thinking of something where the average guy could:
1. Download the Captchacoin client just like you download Bitcoin-core;
2. Install it on your computer in just the same way;
3. "Mine" captchacoins by solving captchas which the client would create and place on your screen.

The client would provide complex (but doable by anyone) captchas right on your screen, and when you solved them you would get a coin. The more you solved, the more coins you would get. They would be stored in your wallet, and when you went back online, they would be uploaded to the Captchacoin blockchain as yours, in one of your wallets. If your OS or computer were in need of an upgrade, and the system crashed, your latest captchacoins might be lost.

The more coins that were mined, the less the value of each, not because of any client-built-in devaluation, but because the more of anything that there is, the less rare it is, and the less value it has. People would have to keep mining to keep value. In general, hodling would be of no value. This means that people would have to trade their coins for cash, gold or products if they wanted to maintain value. This means that there would be a growing market created.

If devs wanted some value to remain, the whole client could be built in such a way that later coins only held partial value of earlier coins, based on some simple "halving" algorithm... something like mining bitcoin blocks changes every 4 years. The halving wouldn't be based on time, but based directly on the blockchain record number of coins. There would be no limit as to the number of coins that could be mined/solved.

Does CrowdFlower provide the ability to do something like that?

Crowdflower will deliver capchas to your desktop, you solve them, then they give you bitcoin. The employer who hires crowdflower to subcontract to you is a spammer of course.

More practical as a currency would be have an algorithm that allows any human input, then have people respond to that input, or reate bots to respond to it if they can.

For example

1) You receive questions on the blockchain and are paid a coin to answer them, or to create a bot that can answer them.

2) Somebody else who wants your work, or who wants to subcontract bot technology, provides their latest algorithm for generating questions.

You would have a coin that could be used to subcontract any kind of development quickly and results based with no bureaucracy.

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If your goal is specifically spam then you could make a coin like that but hopefully nobody would support it.

If Crowdflower goes down, are they open source so that anyone could maintain their development, and the coin keep going?

[PeterTheGrape]

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If Crowdflower goes down, are they open source so that anyone could maintain their development, and the coin keep going?

They don't do it as a coin. At least as of a few years ago, they are old fashioned intermediaries. You go to them and say "I want 10,000 people a day to do trivial things on the computer for $1 per hour or $0.05 per task", and they create the software etc.

For example they used to subcontract the service of increasing google ranks, if I recall correctly. You as an individual work for a company that gets tasks from them. Then you sit at a computer with instructions from them like
1) Google "tree trimming service toledo ohio"
2) scroll through the results until you see bob's tree trimming service
3) Click on that result
4) Go to the contact page and enter the first word of the second paragraph on our form, and that task is complete.

Soon bob's tree trimming service is higher on google and a few hundred people have made enough to buy a few beers.

Their basic concept is very simple and you could copy it easily, just have to have some networking skills etc.

[Lecsor]

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If Crowdflower goes down, are they open source so that anyone could maintain their development, and the coin keep going?

They don't do it as a coin. At least as of a few years ago, they are old fashioned intermediaries. You go to them and say "I want 10,000 people a day to do trivial things on the computer for $1 per hour or $0.05 per task", and they create the software etc.

For example they used to subcontract the service of increasing google ranks, if I recall correctly. You as an individual work for a company that gets tasks from them. Then you sit at a computer with instructions from them like
1) Google "tree trimming service toledo ohio"
2) scroll through the results until you see bob's tree trimming service
3) Click on that result
4) Go to the contact page and enter the first word of the second paragraph on our form, and that task is complete.

Soon bob's tree trimming service is higher on google and a few hundred people have made enough to buy a few beers.

Their basic concept is very simple and you could copy it easily, just have to have some networking skills etc.

Practically new such of the above was and will be involved in the network of different companies. I think that of the Internet users, few people did not do such things when they worked for a particular structure. I see no reason to be very indignant about this, because this is something only for the benefit and development.

[PeterTheGrape]

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Practically new such of the above was and will be involved in the network of different companies. I think that of the Internet users, few people did not do such things when they worked for a particular structure. I see no reason to be very indignant about this, because this is something only for the benefit and development.

Sure everybody wants food before they want a book. If Albert Einstein had been hungry he would have been a bank robber, not a physicist.

[Wintorez]

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Practically new such of the above was and will be involved in the network of different companies. I think that of the Internet users, few people did not do such things when they worked for a particular structure. I see no reason to be very indignant about this, because this is something only for the benefit and development.

Sure everybody wants food before they want a book. If Albert Einstein had been hungry he would have been a bank robber, not a physicist.

In those days when the people existed And such great people lived According to the example of Einstein and others, no one had such problems as today but of course there were others. I believe that the standard of living of the world grows with each passing day and therefore everything must be paid for. Just so nothing happens And no one just does not give anything.

[arigathanks23]

Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

I think it's not considered theft, because the government needs our taxes to support and provide our needs. Well it's only my opinion so you can ignore me

[kayeme]

I think its predominantly Americans that have this idea that a society could function without government. In reality its not possible as it would only lead to dictatorship in the long run. You don't say that paying your rent is a unfair, the same as paying a rent for living in the country you live in is also not unfair.

[BADecker]

I think its predominantly Americans that have this idea that a society could function without government. In reality its not possible as it would only lead to dictatorship in the long run. You don't say that paying your rent is a unfair, the same as paying a rent for living in the country you live in is also not unfair.

No, Americans don't have that idea.

The American Government is set up to look like a civil law government. But it only acts that way until the people jump in, in the form of the jury. The jury overrules all civil laws, and even moral laws. Most people don't understand this simple thing about the American Government... even most Americans.

Taxes are formally not supposed to come from income and property taxation... according to the way Government is written. The fact that they do shows how far away from the ideals of basic American law the people have allowed the country to go.

[seo11]

In addition, paying tax is a responsibility to each of the citizens in a particular country inorder to contribute something to its growth which not just you but everyone will also benefit from it. It is true that those who are handling taxes are the ones who committed theft but not the tax itself. Just think about the roads, the facilities and other that have been made possible through taxes that benefits you and others either directly or indirectly is a proof that in order for a country to survuve and improve itself it needs tax by the help of its people.

[iram3130]

Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

I think it's not considered theft, because the government needs our taxes to support and provide our needs. Well it's only my opinion so you can ignore me

Tax is something you pay for the services you'll get from the government, but the thing is government's are corrupt and they just steal your money so we can say it is a type of theft in some countries but developing countries where corruption ratio is less, taxes are very useful.

[BADecker]

In addition, paying tax is a responsibility to each of the citizens in a particular country inorder to contribute something to its growth which not just you but everyone will also benefit from it. It is true that those who are handling taxes are the ones who committed theft but not the tax itself. Just think about the roads, the facilities and other that have been made possible through taxes that benefits you and others either directly or indirectly is a proof that in order for a country to survuve and improve itself it needs tax by the help of its people.

That's why it is beneficial to not be a citizen of a country. Simply live on the land. Being domeciled on the land isn't even residing in the country.

[PancherBitCoin]

In addition, paying tax is a responsibility to each of the citizens in a particular country inorder to contribute something to its growth which not just you but everyone will also benefit from it. It is true that those who are handling taxes are the ones who committed theft but not the tax itself. Just think about the roads, the facilities and other that have been made possible through taxes that benefits you and others either directly or indirectly is a proof that in order for a country to survuve and improve itself it needs tax by the help of its people.

That's why it is beneficial to not be a citizen of a country. Simply live on the land. Being domeciled on the land isn't even residing in the country.

This is a very interesting idea. And in some cases it is worthwhile to heed that you get rid of the citizenship of some country in order not to pay taxes. But you are in one little error and this is what if a person without citizenship wants to have some business and he will still need to register and unambiguously pay the tax, and a simple person will simply lose some of the conclusions that he can get in the country having citizenship. I am sure that many emigrants who moved to a permanent place of residence, for example, in the United States of America and obtained citizenship, very much feel all the privileges that give them this status a country not only inside the country But also abroad.