Is taxation theft?

[Elwar]

If our government were funded by mass murder and rape, would you then justify it saying "mass murder and rape are the price we pay to live in a civilized society"? We gotta have government right?

"There's nothing wrong with mass murder and rape, the only problem are those corrupt politicians that abuses the mass murder and rape for there personal interest. That's why we must put right persons over the government to avoid misuse of such government mass murder and rape."

[BADecker]

We have government without government. What I mean is, who tells you which shoes to wear today? How about if you wear a suit or leisure clothes? How about the color of socks, or if you wear any at all? You do. You are your own government. We don't need them as much as they would like us to think.

[BADecker]

Yes, in many countries taxes are used by rulers only in their own interests. Until people can defeat their greed they will not be able to see a prosperous country with honest rulers.

Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. There will never be honest rulers.

Monty Python - Repressed Citizen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtYU87QNjPw

[Elwar]

What makes sex NOT rape?

Consent.

What makes employment NOT slavery?

Consent.

What makes a transaction NOT a robbery?

Consent.

What makes a visit NOT an invasion?

Consent.

What makes a boxing match NOT assault?

Consent.

What makes taxation NOT theft?

Magical fairy dust.

[Chanock]

Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

Taxation is an ancient way of the government to collect funds that they might use in nation building.  Even in the bible, Jesus teaches us to give money that is intended for Cesar. Even until now, our government still collectinh taxes on us so they have budget for infrastructure, education, health, and the like.  I guess, it is the people who corrupted the budget intended for the nation building and use for their personal interest are the theft.  They ruined the trust of people and they abuse their authority and power. 

[Elwar]

[matuson]

Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

Taxation is an ancient way of the government to collect funds that they might use in nation building.  Even in the bible, Jesus teaches us to give money that is intended for Cesar. Even until now, our government still collectinh taxes on us so they have budget for infrastructure, education, health, and the like.  I guess, it is the people who corrupted the budget intended for the nation building and use for their personal interest are the theft.  They ruined the trust of people and they abuse their authority and power. 

You speak of the Bible as the absolute authority. I don't agree with it. I don't believe in God and I do not know who wrote the Bible. I am sure that it was written by people in order to justify the exploitation of other people. The clergy has always been cooperating with the government. Besides, they live on donations. Is this not a tax?

[GuppyMan]

Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

Taxation is an ancient way of the government to collect funds that they might use in nation building.  Even in the bible, Jesus teaches us to give money that is intended for Cesar. Even until now, our government still collectinh taxes on us so they have budget for infrastructure, education, health, and the like.  I guess, it is the people who corrupted the budget intended for the nation building and use for their personal interest are the theft.  They ruined the trust of people and they abuse their authority and power. 

You speak of the Bible as the absolute authority. I don't agree with it. I don't believe in God and I do not know who wrote the Bible. I am sure that it was written by people in order to justify the exploitation of other people. The clergy has always been cooperating with the government. Besides, they live on donations. Is this not a tax?

Of course, the Bible was written by people to control other people so that they obey a sacred letter and voluntarily give money. Only now many priests live too luxuriously because of these donations.

[Elwar]

Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

Taxation is an ancient way of the government to collect funds that they might use in nation building.  Even in the bible, Jesus teaches us to give money that is intended for Cesar. Even until now, our government still collectinh taxes on us so they have budget for infrastructure, education, health, and the like.  I guess, it is the people who corrupted the budget intended for the nation building and use for their personal interest are the theft.  They ruined the trust of people and they abuse their authority and power.  

Look at the context of the Jesus/Caesar dialogue. He first says "who's image is on that coin?". On the response of "Caesar" he says to give Caesar what is Caesar's. He does not say give Caesar a percentage of your coins. He is basically saying...give Caesar all of his coins back. As in...stop using Caesar's money.

What he probably wanted to say was..."stop using fiat currency and build a cryptocurrency that is decentralized so you do not need to use government money ever again".

[FomoATH]

Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

Yes, taxation is well thought out theft. The authorities do not want to allow people to live normally and try to legally pull out of them as much money as possible under the guise of taxes.

[BADecker]

Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

Taxation is an ancient way of the government to collect funds that they might use in nation building.  Even in the bible, Jesus teaches us to give money that is intended for Cesar. Even until now, our government still collectinh taxes on us so they have budget for infrastructure, education, health, and the like.  I guess, it is the people who corrupted the budget intended for the nation building and use for their personal interest are the theft.  They ruined the trust of people and they abuse their authority and power.  

Look at the context of the Jesus/Caesar dialogue. He first says "who's image is on that coin?". On the response of "Caesar" he says to give Caesar what is Caesar's. He does not say give Caesar a percentage of your coins. He is basically saying...give Caesar all of his coins back. As in...stop using Caesar's money.

What he probably wanted to say was..."stop using fiat currency and build a cryptocurrency that is decentralized so you do not need to use government money ever again".

In addition, Jesus says "give." He doesn't say "pay." So when you pay your taxes, you aren't doing what Jesus says anyway. Because "give" means to donate, not pay. And if you donate, it isn't taxes; it is a gift. Jesus wasn't talking about taxes at all. But it shut the mouths of those who were trying to trick Jesus. Because they hadn't thought it through.

In addition. When Romans 13 talks about obeying your Government, the only Government it talks about directly is God. It leaves the rest of it open. What I mean is, how does a government become your Government? Isn't it by your choice? So, if a government is your Government, do what you agreed to do. Obey it. But if you don't like obeying it, make it to not be your Government any longer.

In America, this doesn't mean moving off the land. Why not? The only land that belongs to the Government is that which is delegated to it according to the laws of the Government. The Constitution gives only D.C. and ceded forts and lands in the States to the Federal Government.

Most Federal Government lands within State borders are not ceded to them; they may be usurping them. Your private land isn't theirs. And your private land doesn't even belong to the States. It is essentially your own personal Government land.

Learn the law. Google and Youtube search on "Karl Lentz common law."

[joromz1226]

Taxation in each country is legally implemented and applied. It will only be called theft if some of the officials in the government
steal taxes of their citizens.  Then if you believe in the it is also wrritten there abiut the laws of taxes between  the government
And into God.

[ppaul15]

of course no! we pay tax to rovide  some infrastracture and some rehabilitation. we are not in a stone age so they need to have money to do their things. the only problem is some official cant resist the money so they always attempt to stole thoss money. Money is the root of all evil

[freeyourmind]

Well played my friend.  That looks like check mate to me.  This thread should be locked with no further responses 

[HarmonyA]

Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

Taxation is not theft. Every profitable venture should be taxed in order to generate revenue for providing basic needs of society. If we are not taxed, we might abuse the privilege of profiting thereby making the society thirsty of the benefit of government.

[Proton2233]

Taxes are necessary, nobody argues, but without proper control over their spending, they turn to theft. This situation with the control leads to loss of motivation to pay taxes, and we often see people trying to hide income.

[Elwar]

Taxes are necessary, nobody argues, but without proper control over their spending, they turn to theft. This situation with the control leads to loss of motivation to pay taxes, and we often see people trying to hide income.

I beg to differ.

Not everyone believes in non-consentual activities.

[Elwar]

Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

Taxation is not theft. Every profitable venture should be taxed in order to generate revenue for providing basic needs of society. If we are not taxed, we might abuse the privilege of profiting thereby making the society thirsty of the benefit of government.

Is taxation voluntary?

[BADecker]

Ron Paul: We Must Declare Independence

As Independence Day comes around again we should spend a few moments between barbecue and fireworks to think about the meaning of independence. The colonists who rebelled against the British Crown were, among other things, unhappy about taxation. Yet, as economist Gary North points out, the total burden of British imperial taxation was about one-to-two percent of national income.

Some 241 years later, Washington claims more of our money as its own than King George could have ever imagined. What do we get in this bargain? We get a federal government larger and more oppressive than before 1776, a government that increasingly views us as the enemy.

Think about NSA surveillance. As we have learned from brave whistleblowers like William Binney and Edward Snowden, the US intelligence community is not protecting us from foreigners who seek to destroy our way of life. The US intelligence community is itself destroying our way of life. Literally every one of our electronic communications is captured and stored in vast computer networks. Perhaps they will be used against "dissidents" in the future who question government tyranny.

We have no privacy in our computers or our phones. If the government wants to see what we are doing at any time, it simply switches on our phone camera or computer camera – or our "smart" television. Yet today we continue to hear, "I've got nothing to hide."

In a recent interview on our Liberty Report, Edward Snowden made the excellent point that,

"saying that you don't care about privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about freedom of speech because you have nothing to say."

Think about the TSA. The freedom to travel is fundamental, and our Fourth Amendment protection against unreasonable searches and seizures is the law of the land. But if you dare to exercise that right by purchasing an air ticket, you are treated like a Guantanamo Bay detainee. Don't dare question as the TSA agents commit acts that would be crimes were they done by anyone else. Yet so many Americans still believe this is what it takes to be "safe."

Think about the military industrial complex. The US government spends more on its military empire than much of the rest of the world combined. Our so-called mortal enemy Russia spends ten cents to every dollar we spend on weapons of war. Yet we are told we must spend more! Imagine the amazing peaceful scientific discoveries that might be made were so many researchers and scientists not on the government payroll designing new ways to end life on earth.

Read more at http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-03/ron-paul-we-must-declare-independence.

[BADecker]

IT'S OVER:
NEW REPORT JUST EXPOSED UNBELIEVABLE IRS FRAUD,
TRUMP IS GOING TO HAVE A FIELD DAY

This is certainly something to celebrate on Independence day. Emily Nowak for Liberty Writers reports, Nothing like knowing your hard earned tax dollars are being put to good use, right? Well sadly that's not the case for the one agency you'd think would value tax dollars the most- the IRS.

IT’S OVER: NEW REPORT JUST EXPOSED UNBELIEVABLE IRS FRAUD, TRUMP IS GOING TO HAVE A FIELD DAY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrRyux-Y_KU