Is taxation theft?

[Elwar]

Without taxes the state can not exist. Taxes should not be exorbitant and the tax should not be imposed on everything around, but all the same it should be.

It's all about the tax rates. For example, in Russia they are having a flat tax rate of around 13%. Now compare this to the tax rates in Germany (where it is close to 45%). Also, the VAT and the other indirect taxes are also extremely high in Germany. For example, a litre of gasoline in Germany costs twice as much  as that in Russia.

The rate has nothing to do with whether or not taxation is theft or not.

If someone holds a gun to your head and says give me 10% of the money in your wallet, you get to keep the rest...is that still theft?

If someone says you must pay 10% of your income to rent something is that still theft? Tax is the rent u pay for society to function, there are alternatives if you don't want to pay it, just not in the country you are in.

It depends, do I have a choice whether or not I rent? Is it voluntary?

If a woman is raped, would you tell her she should just go to a country with no men if she doesn't want to be raped?

[dimatu]

Without taxes the state can not exist. Taxes should not be exorbitant and the tax should not be imposed on everything around, but all the same it should be.

It's all about the tax rates. For example, in Russia they are having a flat tax rate of around 13%. Now compare this to the tax rates in Germany (where it is close to 45%). Also, the VAT and the other indirect taxes are also extremely high in Germany. For example, a litre of gasoline in Germany costs twice as much  as that in Russia.

The rate has nothing to do with whether or not taxation is theft or not.

If someone holds a gun to your head and says give me 10% of the money in your wallet, you get to keep the rest...is that still theft?

If someone says you must pay 10% of your income to rent something is that still theft? Tax is the rent u pay for society to function, there are alternatives if you don't want to pay it, just not in the country you are in.

It depends, do I have a choice whether or not I rent? Is it voluntary?

If a woman is raped, would you tell her she should just go to a country with no men if she doesn't want to be raped?

Rape is a crime, taxation is not. And yes you have the choice to pay it or go to another country just as u have the choice to rent a different house.

[Elwar]

Without taxes the state can not exist. Taxes should not be exorbitant and the tax should not be imposed on everything around, but all the same it should be.

It's all about the tax rates. For example, in Russia they are having a flat tax rate of around 13%. Now compare this to the tax rates in Germany (where it is close to 45%). Also, the VAT and the other indirect taxes are also extremely high in Germany. For example, a litre of gasoline in Germany costs twice as much  as that in Russia.

The rate has nothing to do with whether or not taxation is theft or not.

If someone holds a gun to your head and says give me 10% of the money in your wallet, you get to keep the rest...is that still theft?

If someone says you must pay 10% of your income to rent something is that still theft? Tax is the rent u pay for society to function, there are alternatives if you don't want to pay it, just not in the country you are in.

It depends, do I have a choice whether or not I rent? Is it voluntary?

If a woman is raped, would you tell her she should just go to a country with no men if she doesn't want to be raped?

Rape is a crime, taxation is not. And yes you have the choice to pay it or go to another country just as u have the choice to rent a different house.

The only difference between rape and sex is consent.
The only difference between theft and making a purchase is consent.

So...in the days where the king required each bride to have sex with him first on the honeymoon, you would not consider that rape? Because it was legal?

[Kotone]

There are many kind of taxes in the world and taxes are the most important we all pay taxes when we are buying something because it so called business and you can make changes without the money of people you can't upgrade the city without budget we are in new technology.

[poisonivy77]

Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

i guess not,  it is not a theft. Taxation is what happens when a person or a group of people decide that they will take a portion of your wealth or income, on terms decided solely by them. You are expected to remit funds in, as and when desired. If you do not comply, they will take it from your bank account, or have title to your property legally conveyed to them

[altcoinboss177]

eagerly want to know this .

[Elwar]

I am starting a poll on this thread.

Anyone who believes that we are owed the money of those that do not believe taxation is theft respond with the words "taxation is theft".

If you do not agree, type "I support the thread tax".

When the poll is tallied, those that do not believe taxation is theft will owe the rest of us money.

You will provide your private keys publicly and we promise we will take what we think is fair. We also promise to do good things with it.

[vok-wok_hok]

I consider the taxation of theft, because in our country all residents pay taxes, but the state does nothing to improve life, but rather puts very tough conditions for survival and many leave the country.

[jk_14]

I consider the taxation of theft, because in our country all residents pay taxes, but the state does nothing to improve life, but rather puts very tough conditions for survival and many leave the country.

This is true.
I live in Germany and as soon as I finish university I am leaving this country since I refuse to pay 40-60% of my income to the government. They completely waste the majority of the money too, it's quite a pathetic sight and I won't be supporting this nonsense.

I do believe that taxation is theft, but I would be fine with it if the money went to sensible uses and/or if citizens had a direct word on how their money gets used.

[OQ]

Taxation is itself not theft but the ones who collect duty are thief.

[no0dlepunk]

Yes, it definitely is... The government should run a business like planting trees, fruits, and veggies to sustain their operations and to pay their employee's salary. We citizens should only give donations to them, we are the ones who should decide how much to pay them according to the services that they provide. If they suck then they don't even deserve a dime... If they are doing a great job then I would give them 10% of my monthly earnings. That's how I see it should be... think about it, humans!

[Sithara007]

I consider the taxation of theft, because in our country all residents pay taxes, but the state does nothing to improve life, but rather puts very tough conditions for survival and many leave the country.

This is true.
I live in Germany and as soon as I finish university I am leaving this country since I refuse to pay 40-60% of my income to the government. They completely waste the majority of the money too, it's quite a pathetic sight and I won't be supporting this nonsense.

I do believe that taxation is theft, but I would be fine with it if the money went to sensible uses and/or if citizens had a direct word on how their money gets used.

The funny thing about Germany is that the government always say that they have excess money (i.e budget surplus). If you have a 60% income tax rate and 100% VAT, then obviously the government coffers would be full. And this is the reason why the government is facing no hardships in spending $50 billion a year on the immigrants (i.e rapefugees) from Syria and Iraq.

[sharonmae]

The idea of taxation as theft is a viewpoint found in a number of political philosophies. Under this view, government transgresses property rights by enforcing compulsory tax collection.

[PMmesexycoins]

The idea of taxation as theft is a viewpoint found in a number of political philosophies. Under this view, government transgresses property rights by enforcing compulsory tax collection.

On the other hand governments play a large role in allowing such property rights. It wouldn't be anywhere as efficient in a world without centralization where everyone's fending for themselves.

[ahrimanbro]

they way i see it, taxation is not theft, excess taxation is. taxation for *common good* development of infrastructure, establishing governance, laws and legislation, security - all of which are necessary precurosrs for the establishment of secure stable nation states. absent those and you're left with anarchy, disorganized chaos.

[Elwar]

Ok, you all convinced me. Seeing the same answer over and over by people with signatures must mean that it is true.

I not think tax is theft. It depend on what it spent on. It good for society.

[lexamagic]

Yes, taxation is stealing. The government specifically does this to take money from people and not allow them to be free, but when people need help from the state, they remain in trouble.

[kissmarx]

Yes, taxation is stealing. The government specifically does this to take money from people and not allow them to be free, but when people need help from the state, they remain in trouble.

It's not really stealing because you pay it. It's more like robbery or extortion.

But the question is, why would you not want to pay taxes, or dislike the fact that you pay taxes?

[memyselfandi]

No. It's a necessity of a civilization. A sophisticated society cannot function without taxation. People will not make voluntary donations for roads, airports, schools, etc. Simply put, without a state and taxation, there will be no polity or society. nobody but fanatics is interested in pursuing such a state of affairs, but it's nice to know that you got a home on your Politics. This place has to be good for something.

[Elwar]

Yes, taxation is stealing. The government specifically does this to take money from people and not allow them to be free, but when people need help from the state, they remain in trouble.

It's not really stealing because you pay it. It's more like robbery or extortion.

But the question is, why would you not want to pay taxes, or dislike the fact that you pay taxes?

I know right!?!

We all love paying taxes!