Is taxation theft?

[scaramanga1337]

taxation becomes theft when the taxes are too high, it feels like a real theft, when the government suffers from corruption and illegal preferences.......governemt and states must act careful with the use of taxes....

[marzyyy]

Specifically, a legal theft. Lol. And ironically, it is illegal to avoid taxes, just in case you dont know. 

[t4syarosmala]

I agree with this statement and neither. 
I say tax is not theft, because the state infrastructure is made using taxes, it is clear here the function of taxes work.
I say tax is theft, if there is a case of corruption in my country. more precisely this is the theft of citizens' rights

[Crazygreek]

Taxation is theft but it's actually necessary for government to exist. Bitcoin is making governments weak but i am not sure they have no other ways to got income.

[Elwar]

For those that believe taxation is not theft...

Please answer this thread asking if forcing a woman to have sex is rape if the woman has an orgasm:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3114570.0

I am sure you will be consistent.

[JulianCrump]

Taxation is not theft, I know many people here would love a world without government but the reality is despite some of the things you dislike about government, it allows society to function. Another way to look at taxation is to consider it as a rent for living in the society you live in, no one would say its theft to pay rent on a car/house but for some reason people seem to think differently when its the government doing it.

[Elwar]

Taxation is not theft, I know many people here would love a world without government but the reality is despite some of the things you dislike about government, it allows society to function. Another way to look at taxation is to consider it as a rent for living in the society you live in, no one would say its theft to pay rent on a car/house but for some reason people seem to think differently when its the government doing it.

I know right!? The end justifies the means.


Please go and explain to all of these losers in this thread that it's not really rape if the woman has an orgasm afterwards.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3114570.0

They're under the misguided illusion that for some reason a non-consensual act is a bad thing....but like you said...just think of the outcome first to determine if the act is bad.

Another way to look at rape is like when you have consensual sex. Nobody would say it's rape if they had consensual sex, but for some reason people seem to think differently when it is non consensual.

So wise!

[uwr]

Undeniably a theft!

instead of taxation, there should be funding --- stricly voluntarily backed by decentralized voting system:

You re a car owner and you want good roads -- fund the transportation division
You want health care - fund medical division
You love space - fund space exploration division
You are crazy enough to enjoy envaiding other countries for oil - fund army


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[ayaayapotpot]

No, because it’s in the law. The taxes you paid is for the government to use for the projects that the people of the country will benefit. They will use it for the rehabilitation of roads, constructions of different way of transportation, health benefits, school benefits for children who want to study that don’t have mean to. It’s all for good of the country. You may feel that taxation is theft when the government is doing nothing and keep it in their own pocket. (Corruption) that’s when you feel the taxation is a theft.

[BADecker]

No, because it’s in the law. The taxes you paid is for the government to use for the projects that the people of the country will benefit. They will use it for the rehabilitation of roads, constructions of different way of transportation, health benefits, school benefits for children who want to study that don’t have mean to. It’s all for good of the country. You may feel that taxation is theft when the government is doing nothing and keep it in their own pocket. (Corruption) that’s when you feel the taxation is a theft.

Are you getting what you paid for?

Do you even know what you wanted to buy?

Make it a purchase rather than taxation so you get the things that you are buying, don't have to support the things you don't want, and keep Government more honest that way.

[Elwar]

No, because it’s in the law. The taxes you paid is for the government to use for the projects that the people of the country will benefit. They will use it for the rehabilitation of roads, constructions of different way of transportation, health benefits, school benefits for children who want to study that don’t have mean to. It’s all for good of the country. You may feel that taxation is theft when the government is doing nothing and keep it in their own pocket. (Corruption) that’s when you feel the taxation is a theft.

You will not believe the amount of people in this thread that disagree with you:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3114570.0

One person even says:
Countries that recognise theft outside of the pre-defined parameters of statutory theft will probably focus on the issue of consent/agreement. Hence, in many countries it will not be possible for government agents to tax a person and it not be considered theft.

[josephine85]

I do not think that taxation is a theft. Because I know that our government used it for some livelihood programs in order to support and help the poor people to learn some things that may help them to earn money. I can also see the Infrastructure improvement in our area which are from the taxes of the people. People money goes back to people.

[GianSnow26]

I think it is not totally theft but there are some (people who handle our taxes) that abuse their authority. I feel like they are not putting ALL of our taxes in the right way. I think corruption is always present in taxes.

[Bitcollector26]

Not all people who collect our taxes are corrupt. Just some of them. Some of our taxes goes to different departments that improves our society while some of it are being corrupted by the government

[Elwar]

I do not think that taxation is a theft. Because I know that our government used it for some livelihood programs in order to support and help the poor people to learn some things that may help them to earn money. I can also see the Infrastructure improvement in our area which are from the taxes of the people. People money goes back to people.

So...the outcome is what determines if the act is theft or not.

Got it.

Could you please go tell the people in this thread that it is the outcome of the act and not the act itself that matters? They are a bit confused.

Is forcing a woman to have sex considered rape if the woman has an orgasm?

[Wasaisisi]

Taxes is the base for any kind of gobeerment, what you really should ask is what are he goberment doing with the taxes you pay to improve your life and country. I dont think is a theft is necesary for the country.

[BADecker]

I do not think that taxation is a theft. Because I know that our government used it for some livelihood programs in order to support and help the poor people to learn some things that may help them to earn money. I can also see the Infrastructure improvement in our area which are from the taxes of the people. People money goes back to people.

So...the outcome is what determines if the act is theft or not.

Got it.

Could you please go tell the people in this thread that it is the outcome of the act and not the act itself that matters? They are a bit confused.

Is forcing a woman to have sex considered rape if the woman has an orgasm?

If a person who doesn't want to pay taxes is smart enough, he can figure out ways to avoid taxes.

Some people welcome taxes. Many donate more than taxes to Government. After all, you can't pay more than a certain amount and be honest on the tax form at the same time. Government won't let you.

The robbery comes when people who aren't smart enough, and don't want to pay taxes, are forced into it.

What all this means is that in some cases the outcome is robbery, and in other cases it isn't.

Same said forced sex. Some women welcome it (they fight it, but they like the fight) and some don't. In some cases it is rape and in some it isn't.

[Denifriska]

Tax always reminds me that I don't really own a thing in these world. I can't even call my profession a property or my own because of that tax. Tax it's not just theft, it's a unfairness of mankind.

[Blackmet]

I am not thinking in this way. Many countires buying gas or making electricity for their people and they should pay for it to make a chance for government to buy everything necessary again.

[BADecker]

I am not thinking in this way. Many countires buying gas or making electricity for their people and they should pay for it to make a chance for government to buy everything necessary again.

But with taxes, you don't know what you are buying. If you simply bought what you wanted, you would get what you wanted, and you wouldn't be paying for all kinds of junk you don't want. Government could orchestrate the buying of the things you want in bulk. They could do it without taxes. With taxes you don't know how much they take out and stick in their pocket on the side.