Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion

[FullLife]

All it takes is someone like my friend's grandma (who has about $200 million dollars) to decide to put 10 percent into Bitcoin...and BAM!

Haha, that pic made my day.  Had a good laugh, thanks!

[Odalv]

If you offer a stop loss would you not simply put the coins for sale at the stop loss? How can they end up not being sold then?

Example:
 1. imagine you have 10k BTC
 2. set stop loss @ $130
=> there is not buyer who can buy your coins

[rpietila]

when there's a bit too much bullish sentiment around..  i get this urge to start selling

If you make your decisions based on what a couple people post on one forum on the Internet then yes, please sell.

Having lived through the booms and busts since 2010, I would classify the present situation as "relief". This is still a negative sentiment. It takes several months and several doublings of price from the current levels to develop a mania.

[samson]

If you offer a stop loss would you not simply put the coins for sale at the stop loss? How can they end up not being sold then?

Example:
 1. imagine you have 10k BTC
 2. set stop loss @ $130
=> there is not buyer who can buy your coins

The only way you could do it would be to have the script / engine monitor the bid depth and dump accordingly and in advance as the price falls.

If someone else dumps a large amount of Bitcoin - something like 5-10K moving the price straight past your stop loss trigger point then you would be out of luck and could end up missing your sell point by a large amount due to the low liquidity and huge swings in this market.

[ChartBuddy]

[NewLiberty]

If you offer a stop loss would you not simply put the coins for sale at the stop loss? How can they end up not being sold then?

Example:
 1. imagine you have 10k BTC
 2. set stop loss @ $130
=> there is not buyer who can buy your coins

The only way you could do it would be to have the script / engine monitor the bid depth and dump accordingly and in advance as the price falls.

If someone else dumps a large amount of Bitcoin - something like 5-10K moving the price straight past your stop loss trigger point then you would be out of luck and could end up missing your sell point by a large amount due to the low liquidity and huge swings in this market.

Yes, in such a case, you would get much lower than 130. 
A large stop loss on real exchanges is what the day-traders and bots are sort of hoping to trigger...  if they can sell into the stop price, and trigger the big sell, they can then buy after the stop-loss triggered market-order selling is done (and any other stops that such selling may trigger) and then get cheap coins.

Thin markets are decent reasons not to have stop loss orders, but offering the option for folks to do it anyway may be in the best interests of the exchange from a pure trade-revenue perspective.  If they were trading their own exchange, then it would REALLY be in their best interests, though that would be inviting the SEC in a away that would best be avoided...

[crazy_rabbit]

Gox is under DDOS at the moment. Times sure are changing that the bottom hasn't fallen out of the market because of it.

[Loozik]

Gox's new trading engine and all of the upcoming exchanges (ex, Coinsetter) are completely unnecessary given the total volume on all current exchanges.

What a magnificent engine this is that a trader can't even put a protective stop loss, not to mention a trailing stop!

Gox will still maintain the lead [...]

unless someone who has experience in exchange / brokerage business finally sets up a quality exchange. If this happens Gox and others will die in 6 months.

Don't you think that the only reason for BTC exchanges not to offer this facility is because they're all playing there own markets?  I can't understand it otherwise.

Maybe it's because they are playing their own game, maybe it's because they cannot get their engine more sophisticated due to their poor coding skills. Maybe ... I don't know.


I am just plain angry. I saw the recent bottoming at 121.25, and I didn't trade. I wanted to go long, but ... what if the price disrupted over night? - then I wouldn't have been protected. I am not happy Gox.


Do other BTC exchanges have stop loss functionality? If yes, which ones?

[Rampion]

One hour without a single trade at Gox.

DDoS? Not looking good.

[Odalv]

One hour without a single trade at Gox.

DDoS? Not looking good.

Gox is down

502 Bad Gateway

[Rampion]

One hour without a single trade at Gox.

DDoS? Not looking good.

Gox is down

502 Bad Gateway

It has been completely down for one hour down. Normally, when there is a DDoS some trades come through... Now, not a single trade in exactly one hour. Not a single update on Gox or Twitter. Didn't check IRC, but its not looking too good.

[ChartBuddy]

[razibuzouzou]

One hour without a single trade at Gox.

DDoS? Not looking good.

Gox is down

502 Bad Gateway

It has been completely down for one hour down. Normally, when there is a DDoS some trades come through... Now, not a single trade in exactly one hour. Not a single update on Gox or Twitter. Didn't check IRC, but its not looking too good.

There aren't any trade, but the order book is slightly changing over time.

[derpinheimer]

 People aren't scared of DDoS anymore. if there is a dump beforehand, yes. But this wouldn't scare me at all if i were in BTC,(and I'm not; nor am I excited to be in fiat) unlike months ago where id be frantic.

DDoS has been overdone. Need at least a couple thousand dumped to make  anything happen

[Loozik]

One hour without a single trade at Gox.

DDoS? Not looking good.

Gox is down

502 Bad Gateway

Maybe an ''unanticipated'' dump is happening? I placed my buy order yesterday well below the recent low of 121.25. I hope to get filled if the dump scenario is materializing right now (without us plankton traders seeing it because of not having access to a secret DDoS-proof API that selected whales should have).

I hope MtGox has such a secret API - all major exchanges do have it for the biggest players.

Do you guys know why Gox and other BTC exchanges never bothered to distribute their data feed to market data sellers like, e.g. this one: http://www.iqfeed.net/ ?

[01BTC10]

One hour without a single trade at Gox.

DDoS? Not looking good.

Gox is down

502 Bad Gateway

It has been completely down for one hour down. Normally, when there is a DDoS some trades come through... Now, not a single trade in exactly one hour. Not a single update on Gox or Twitter. Didn't check IRC, but its not looking too good.

There aren't any trade, but the order book is slightly changing over time.

Website works but is lagging from Canada. Maybe there are moving server. Trade API was up but seems down while writing this post.

[crazy_rabbit]

People aren't scared of DDoS anymore. if there is a dump beforehand, yes. But this wouldn't scare me at all if i were in BTC,(and I'm not; nor am I excited to be in fiat) unlike months ago where id be frantic.

DDoS has been overdone. Need at least a couple thousand dumped to make  anything happen

Agreed. I'm not bothered in the slightest. Gox isn't the center of our universe anymore anyway. Besides, most likely some Litecoin users are seriously angry about the endless delay.

[mccorvic]

Besides, most likely some Litecoin users are seriously angry about the endless delay.

The endess delay in relevancy? In that case, they're going to have to keep waiting for a very, very, very long time.

[leemar]

Did someone turn the lights off ?

[derpinheimer]

  something is happening!!!! Look at this



Wow!