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Question: Nov. 30 Price Forecast:
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November 09, 2017, 01:13:19 AM



You are too nice....  Roll Eyes



Perhaps, but I think it is important now to take the high road and build a path forward with as broad a consensus as possible. 

That is bullshit.

Bitcoin is decentralized and no one controls it, and there is no need to compromise with terrorist (which is the part you took out of my prior comment).

Sure, they are human beings, so they deserve some dignity and respect in that regard; however, they do not deserve any sympathy for their engaging in bad and evil acts, and maybe they may need to be burned at the stake because of their evil behavior... I am not sure.  I am not aware of all of the facts, but it seems that several of them have been involved in very egregious and destructive behavior that had the potential to really undermine bitcoin and even perhaps destroy it...

Also, there since there is not an actual legal court to try and convict these folks then probably they should at least be punished by the bitcoin community in various ways... perhaps decentralized and consensus ways, but they are not good people as far as I can tell... but surely I am just one voice, and it is possible that my facts are inadequate in some ways, but at this point, I am not prepared to give them any benefit of the doubt or to reach out some olive branch in order that they can be empowered to engage in more evil conduct.




While actual evil actors may have been at work in this drama, many in the other camp do, in fact, have genuine concerns and believe that they are acting in the best interests of Bitcoin. 

Good things can be ascribed to a lot of evil players.  Probably Hitler (not trying to bring out the pro-nazi crowd) was nice to his dog, but that does not mean that his actions were not worthy of censure.. and punishment.



I may disagree with them on how we get there, or even on where "there" is, but these people are not the evil ones.

We can just disagree here, I supposed.  Based on the evidence that I have right now, it seems that they were engaged in pretty evil conduct... but maybe I am missing a few details, and I doubt it is really worth a battle to go down this path, right?



Bitcoin will find it's real enemies, let us not make them out of our friends.

O.k.  I am about to let bygones be bygones, and you seem to be convoluting this topic... now they are friends? 

One of our ongoing challenges in bitcoin is going to be the existence of various attackers and it may not be easy to determine if they are good or bad, and maybe that is why the software is supposed to kind of assume that everyone is acting in his own selfish interest, and we get to trust the math but not necessarily the various people?   

I don't really have a need to pursue this topic, even though it is likely going to keep coming up long into bitcoin's future... and hopefully bitcoin has a long future and has become stronger from this attack and don't give into leaving holes by inviting into confidence some of the players who engage in destructive behaviors.
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November 09, 2017, 01:16:45 AM

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November 09, 2017, 01:17:53 AM

Now it has settled and we are back to where we started before all the 2x getting cancelled news.

Can we finally get back to getting to $8k already? Huh
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November 09, 2017, 01:19:20 AM

Now it has settled and we are back to where we started before all the 2x getting cancelled news.

Can we finally get back to getting to $8k already? Huh

Someone is still buying futures, the miners are still signalling. Seems premature..
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November 09, 2017, 01:23:40 AM

TALKY MAN TALK TOO MUCH
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November 09, 2017, 01:24:57 AM


Finally, seems that we agree!!!! 


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November 09, 2017, 01:28:55 AM

Now it has settled and we are back to where we started before all the 2x getting cancelled news.

Can we finally get back to getting to $8k already? Huh

Someone is still buying futures, the miners are still signalling. Seems premature..
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November 09, 2017, 01:31:48 AM

Now it has settled and we are back to where we started before all the 2x getting cancelled news.

Can we finally get back to getting to $8k already? Huh

Someone is still buying futures, the miners are still signalling. Seems premature..


the futures have gone from $186 to $220 while we've dropped. does this mean nothing?
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November 09, 2017, 01:35:17 AM


They don't need to run btc1. It's just a simple patch to core code.

They don't need to keep signaling anymore. If they keep doing it, it needs to be interpreted as their intention to follow on with the agreement. In this case with the 2x part of it.

It's not because they "signaled" it... it is because the keep signaling it now.

What other interpretation would be possible for their signaling now?



Trying to play chicken with the Core team to get them to agree to Segwit2x agreement even if no one from the Core team was there to be party to the agreement. I think the big blockers will be the ones to pull off to the side come early November.


So glad that I was right. Big blockers pulled away.  Cool
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November 09, 2017, 02:18:08 AM

Actually that Quantum Computing article against Bitcoin can't even get its fact straight.  "Most mining is done by application-specific integrated circuits (ASICs) made by companies such as Nvidia". 

Nvidia doesn't even have fabs and they miss the timeline by 5 years if they think that mining is still being done by GPUs.  It would be more correct to say that both Bitmain and Nvidia uses TSMC's foundry services (and so are most of FPGA/CPLD made back when it was still profitable to mine with them, before ASIC came along). 

Lastly, my condolence to the "SegWit by Miner Activated Soft-Fork with a 2MB Blocksize Increase DCG Consensus Agreement of 2017" dude who died in vain.  The S2X cabal now has innocent blood on their hand.


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November 09, 2017, 02:21:15 AM

Now it has settled and we are back to where we started before all the 2x getting cancelled news.

Can we finally get back to getting to $8k already? Huh

Someone is still buying futures, the miners are still signalling. Seems premature..


the futures have gone from $186 to $220 while we've dropped. does this mean nothing?


Yeah, futures are now $340. Still no idea what's going on.
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November 09, 2017, 02:27:35 AM

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........Really, fuckface* ......

* stated in the most loving manner. Well, the most deserving of someone who randomly asserts false crap about me. Fuckface.

Hahahahaha.. you said it twice, and I really have some difficulties understanding how "fuckface" deserves a descriptive footnote, and at the end of the descriptive footnote, it is either signed by you as "fuckface" or you just cannot help to repeat "lovingly" calling it to Paashaas one more time?

I thought that I was using "fuck" a lot, but fuckface does not even seem to fit very well into any kind of descriptive context, even if used in a "most loving manner"   Tongue

Rather disingenuous for you to quote the invective, while not quoting the substance. One portion thereof to wit:

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'Copy pasting'? I challenge you to find a handful of sentences I have copy pasted. Really, fuckface* - find the evidence and post it.

...which, of course, in response to an accusation by Paashass that I merely copy-paste my replies. In other words, a false assertion on his/her part, for which I am fully entitled to refute directly.

The careful reader will note that no such evidence has been proffered to support the specious accusation.
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Great one.

When does ist starts?  Tongue
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November 09, 2017, 02:39:36 AM

TALKY MAN TALK TOO MUCH
Even though I have him on ignore I can still kind of hear the chatter from a distance.
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Call off the party.
https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-segwit2x/2017-November/000689.html
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November 09, 2017, 03:28:00 AM

nice wee ascending triangle there
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November 09, 2017, 03:38:33 AM

Based on the evidence that I have right now, it seems that they were engaged in pretty evil conduct... but maybe I am missing a few details, and I doubt it is really worth a battle to go down this path, right?

we get to trust the math but not necessarily the various people?  


mathematically someone evil and hidden is trying to destroy bitcoin - this is true and correct

bitcoin is mathematical trust and transparent - this is true and correct

mathematically then to change the trust and transparency you expose the evil intentions against bitcoin

but not the person funding it, only the players being funded can do that

1. If they do know they wont 2. If they realize they being duped, they may be too scared

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November 09, 2017, 03:53:48 AM

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........Really, fuckface* ......

* stated in the most loving manner. Well, the most deserving of someone who randomly asserts false crap about me. Fuckface.

Hahahahaha.. you said it twice, and I really have some difficulties understanding how "fuckface" deserves a descriptive footnote, and at the end of the descriptive footnote, it is either signed by you as "fuckface" or you just cannot help to repeat "lovingly" calling it to Paashaas one more time?

I thought that I was using "fuck" a lot, but fuckface does not even seem to fit very well into any kind of descriptive context, even if used in a "most loving manner"   Tongue

Rather disingenuous for you to quote the invective, while not quoting the substance. One portion thereof to wit:

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'Copy pasting'? I challenge you to find a handful of sentences I have copy pasted. Really, fuckface* - find the evidence and post it.

...which, of course, in response to an accusation by Paashass that I merely copy-paste my replies. In other words, a false assertion on his/her part, for which I am fully entitled to refute directly.

The careful reader will note that no such evidence has been proffered to support the specious accusation.


O.k.. thou dost protest too muchie.

How could I be disingenuous when I am not even talking substantively about the argument between you and paashaas, whether he actually merits the "fuckface" descriptor or not, and I was just having a little fun with you in regards to your choice of fuckface rather than some other kind of potentially better discriptor.  You disgruntled fat picnic food eating bear, you.

Have a little fun!!!!  I understand that your grumpy ass bear is likely feeling worse because your potentially newly spouted attack vector (namely segwit2x) has seemingly been put on a kind of tentative HODL status.. and even cancelled completely - yet I doubt that either you or your other nutjobber BIG blockers are going to give up on your whining about core, blah blah blah.. but I do recognize that it probably has not been a good day for you hoo.  So, to the extent that there is any genuiness in your BIG blocker nutjob position, which I highly doubt, I would therefore hypothetically have some sympathy to the extent that possibly, maybe and perhaps there could on the out chance be some actual kind of semblance of genuineness there.... so DONT  Angry be using my "genuiness" word against me, especially when it doesn't even seem to apply to this particular situation. Tongue
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November 09, 2017, 04:04:00 AM

Based on the evidence that I have right now, it seems that they were engaged in pretty evil conduct... but maybe I am missing a few details, and I doubt it is really worth a battle to go down this path, right?

we get to trust the math but not necessarily the various people?  


mathematically someone evil and hidden is trying to destroy bitcoin - this is true and correct

bitcoin is mathematical trust and transparent - this is true and correct

mathematically then to change the trust and transparency you expose the evil intentions against bitcoin

but not the person funding it, only the players being funded can do that

1. If they do know they wont 2. If they realize they being duped, they may be too scared


I think that we are on the same page here, mymenace...   Some posters here, seem to think that you just accept that these fucking attackers have been acting in good faith in order to "improve" bitcoin, which should be obvious, for the most part, that they are not acting in good faith because otherwise they would work within the system to make robust proposals and to argue them to death and provide evidence and attempt to garner support through those kinds of means, rather than engaging in what seems fairly obvious as destructive measures and lucky for us, there is a smart enough community of bitcoinners that recognize the bullshit of the attackers and a large number of strong (and seemingly smart) core developers to also develop robust code and strategies that protect capital punishment type death to bitcoin, which kind of seems to make bitcoin stronger - lucky for us BTC HODLers and accumulators.
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