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November 12, 2017, 08:24:48 PM

How about nodes? Does BCH actually have any that aren't Bitmain?

Yes.  In fact, you can download your own Bitcoin Cash node today:

https://www.bitcoinunlimited.info/download
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November 12, 2017, 08:25:23 PM

The difficulty on BCH has reset upwards, making BTC more profitable to mine.  We should see significant hash power migration shortly, a partial clearing of mempool, and a reduction in transaction fees on the Bitcoin Core chain.  

What I can't figure out is if people will dump more BTC because their coins can now move, or dump more BCH because the miners have left.  
Give me a break. Don't act innocent nor neutral because you are neither. Roger Ver is responsible for about >90% of the price movement on Bitcoin Scam aka Bitcoin Cash.

How about nodes? Does BCH actually have any that aren't Bitmain?
Yes. 
More clarifying: There is almost zero non-shill, non AWS, support of BCH.
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November 12, 2017, 08:25:52 PM


The set of Bitcoin Cash miners is pretty much identical to the set of Bitcoin Segwit miners.

Though I see you have not yet provided any sort of response to my post. To wit:

Perhaps if you could make a cogent case showing how Bitcoin Segwit is in any way more decentralized than Bitcoin Cash, you might have a point. But so far, all I've seen from you or others is mere hand waving.
You serious bro?
How about a letter from the CEO (how decentralized). They carefully removed it from the website, but google cache is still helpful
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:73C-unKBSVUJ:https://www.bitcoincash.org/letter-from-the-ceo.pdf+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk
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November 12, 2017, 08:27:57 PM

Guys, this is the speculation sub forum.  I can speculate that BCH might go down in the near term while simultaneously being a big block supporter.

Don't let your ideology cloud your trading judgement.
 
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November 12, 2017, 08:28:11 PM


The set of Bitcoin Cash miners is pretty much identical to the set of Bitcoin Segwit miners.

Though I see you have not yet provided any sort of response to my post. To wit:

Perhaps if you could make a cogent case showing how Bitcoin Segwit is in any way more decentralized than Bitcoin Cash, you might have a point. But so far, all I've seen from you or others is mere hand waving.
You serious bro?
How about a letter from the CEO (how decentralized). They carefully removed it from the website, but google cache is still helpful
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:73C-unKBSVUJ:https://www.bitcoincash.org/letter-from-the-ceo.pdf+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk

He knows. He is not arguing in good faith. It is not useful to act as if he is.
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November 12, 2017, 08:28:38 PM


The set of Bitcoin Cash miners is pretty much identical to the set of Bitcoin Segwit miners.

Though I see you have not yet provided any sort of response to my post. To wit:

Perhaps if you could make a cogent case showing how Bitcoin Segwit is in any way more decentralized than Bitcoin Cash, you might have a point. But so far, all I've seen from you or others is mere hand waving.
You serious bro?
How about a letter from the CEO (how decentralized). They carefully removed it from the website, but google cache is still helpful
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:73C-unKBSVUJ:https://www.bitcoincash.org/letter-from-the-ceo.pdf+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk


Don't bother ragnar0k. JBreher will just hand-wave those ramblings of their CEO madman away as unimportant and ignore you.
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November 12, 2017, 08:31:31 PM

I can speculate that BCH might go down in the near term while simultaneously being a big block supporter.
You can simultaneously pretend to be an expert while being a con artist. Yes, we are well aware of that. Smiley

Don't bother ragnar0k. JBreher will just hand-wave those ramblings of their CEO madman away as unimportant and ignore you.
They need an updated whitepaper,  "A CEO-to-Peer Electronic Cash System".
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November 12, 2017, 08:32:01 PM

How about nodes? Does BCH actually have any that aren't Bitmain?

Yes.  In fact, you can download your own Bitcoin Cash node today:

https://www.bitcoinunlimited.info/download

Really? And I thought BCH is a private centralized shitcoin chain, mined by one entity most, with no real devs and promoted by fraudsters like Ver and FakeSatoshi. Oh wait...
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November 12, 2017, 08:32:57 PM

If you drank the Blockstream/Core koolaid and dumped your BCH, you can buy them back at 4 BCH per BTC. 

Remember, if you're holding BTC and BCH in equal proportion, you'll come out fine whether Bitcoin Core or Bitcoin Cash wins in the end.


keep repeating this stupid line. i'm sure someone will buy it. shill

I'm disheartened that many people will unnecessarily risk money when the don't have to.  If you don't have inside information, hold both coins and let the whales battle it out.

I say this because I'm passionate about bitcoin and passionate about growing it into better money that all of the people of the world can use.  In fact, in partnership with the University of British Columbia and Bitcoin Unlimited, we have a global testnet where we're propagating gigabyte blocks on consumer-grade hardware.  But you wouldn't hear about that because it is censored from Reddit and censored from here as well. 



If people are interested in the truth of how hugely scalable Bitcoin actually is, here's the video from Scaling Bitcoin Stanford where Andrew and I present our research. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3990&v=LDF8bOEqXt4

Click soon because Lauda will remove this post shortly, as it is hurtful to Blockstream's business model. 

Thx Peter.

I wonder if this is still here...?

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November 12, 2017, 08:33:36 PM

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You serious bro?
How about a letter from the CEO [of BCH] (how decentralized).

Hey, jbreher!  Did you receive your official title from Bitcoin Cash yet?  Rick is CEO, Jihan is CSO, and Roger's new title is just "jesus."

They gave me the humble title of assistant GIF-maker in residence  Undecided .
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November 12, 2017, 08:35:43 PM


The set of Bitcoin Cash miners is pretty much identical to the set of Bitcoin Segwit miners.

Though I see you have not yet provided any sort of response to my post. To wit:

Perhaps if you could make a cogent case showing how Bitcoin Segwit is in any way more decentralized than Bitcoin Cash, you might have a point. But so far, all I've seen from you or others is mere hand waving.
You serious bro?
How about a letter from the CEO (how decentralized). They carefully removed it from the website, but google cache is still helpful
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:73C-unKBSVUJ:https://www.bitcoincash.org/letter-from-the-ceo.pdf+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk


Don't bother ragnar0k. JBreher will just hand-wave those ramblings of their CEO madman away as unimportant and ignore you.

Tho I agree with one of their BCH principles, they are obviously sticking to it:
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November 12, 2017, 08:36:33 PM

I'm not a fence sitter.  I think I've made it clear that I want to see lower fees, reliable confirmations, and to help spread bitcoin all across the world.

The only thing I'm fence sitting on is whether the next move for the BTC/BCH ratio is up or down.

Nothing personal, but let me do a "socialist wants free shit ideolog" -> english translation

"I want to see lower fees" translation: i want free shit, i do not want to compete with people more intent, cause lower fees will:
"help spread bitcoin all across the world" i want my investment go up in value first and foremost, while
"reliable confirmations" i want it all to be very comfy for me, myself and me, i can not code, but someone must take care about that.

"but i am a philantrope, really"



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November 12, 2017, 08:36:49 PM

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You serious bro?
How about a letter from the CEO [of BCH] (how decentralized).

Hey, jbreher!  Did you receive your official title from Bitcoin Cash yet?  Rick is CEO, Jihan is CSO, and Roger's new title is just "jesus."

They gave me the humble title of assistant GIF-maker in residence  Undecided .

Taking facts and trying to make a sarcastic joke out of them doesn't make you look clever, it just makes you look stupid.  Embarrassed
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November 12, 2017, 08:37:58 PM

many sell wall of 1000 BTC in bitfinex at different price.. This is sad.. really sad.

This is Ver's last bitcoins, hopefully. He is a cancer to the world  Huh
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November 12, 2017, 08:44:30 PM

So lately ho is Going to buy al them lambo’s  Cool  Huh
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November 12, 2017, 08:46:02 PM

I'm not a fence sitter.  I think I've made it clear that I want to see lower fees, reliable confirmations, and to help spread bitcoin all across the world.

The only thing I'm fence sitting on is whether the next move for the BTC/BCH ratio is up or down.

Nothing personal, but let me do a "socialist wants free shit ideolog" -> english translation

"I want to see lower fees" translation: i want free shit, i do not want to compete with people more intent, cause
"help spread bitcoin all across the world" i want my investment go up in value first and foremost, while
"reliable confirmations" i want it all to be very comfy for me, myself and me, i can not code, but someone must take care about that.

"but i am a philantrope, really"


I recently spearheaded the launch of a 5-year / $3-million dollar project called the Gigablock Testnet Initiative.  The goals of the project are to do scaling R&D so that bitcoin can scale to bank the billions of unbanked, facilitated low-friction payments between anyone, and .... well simply be better money.



Link to video of Scaling Bitcoin Stanford talk:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3990&v=LDF8bOEqXt4

People like you may miss all of the work being done to grow bitcoin because you don't realize that you're in a censored echo chamber where only Blockstream/Core's narrative is allowed to propagate.  

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November 12, 2017, 08:46:29 PM

I'm not a fence sitter.  I think I've made it clear that I want to see lower fees, reliable confirmations, and to help spread bitcoin all across the world.

The only thing I'm fence sitting on is whether the next move for the BTC/BCH ratio is up or down.

Nothing personal, but let me do a "socialist wants free shit ideolog" -> english translation

"I want to see lower fees" translation: i want free shit, i do not want to compete with people more intent, cause lower fees will:
"help spread bitcoin all across the world" i want my investment go up in value first and foremost, while
"reliable confirmations" i want it all to be very comfy for me, myself and me, i can not code, but someone must take care about that.

"but i am a philantrope, really"
Nobody is going to buy a broken product. Yes, we want bitcoin to be as good as it can be because that's how capitalism works!
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Thx Peter.
I wonder if this is still here...?
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yeah the censorship comment is nonsense - it's still there

will watch this tomorrow. It's too late here now and I find all these scammer's voices difficult enough anyway.

for now, tell us, is this the show where the 'global network' turns out to be 6 nodes?

possible i was misinformed

edit: motherfucker Peter you're a wrecker. piss off.

https://www.scribd.com/document/359889814/ScalingBitcoin-Stanford-GigablockNet-Proposal


http://www.trustnodes.com/2017/10/14/first-1gb-bitcoin-block-mined-testnet
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November 12, 2017, 09:00:18 PM

So lately ho is Going to buy al them lambo’s  Cool  Huh

We changed to Trabis... . (And looking at Tata 's)  Wink Cheesy
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November 12, 2017, 09:00:32 PM

I'm not a fence sitter.  I think I've made it clear that I want to see lower fees, reliable confirmations, and to help spread bitcoin all across the world.

The only thing I'm fence sitting on is whether the next move for the BTC/BCH ratio is up or down.

Nothing personal, but let me do a "socialist wants free shit ideolog" -> english translation

"I want to see lower fees" translation: i want free shit, i do not want to compete with people more intent, cause
"help spread bitcoin all across the world" i want my investment go up in value first and foremost, while
"reliable confirmations" i want it all to be very comfy for me, myself and me, i can not code, but someone must take care about that.

"but i am a philantrope, really"


I recently spearheaded the launch of a 5-year / $3-million dollar project called the Gigablock Testnet Initiative.  The goals of the project are to do scaling R&D so that bitcoin can scale to bank the billions of unbanked, facilitated low-friction payments between anyone, and .... well simply be better money.


People like you may miss all of the work being done to grow bitcoin because you don't realize that you're in a censored echo chamber where only Blockstream/Core's narrative is allowed to propagate.  


You do not know nothing about what i read/know or do not know about "all the work done".

Saying "you are in a censored echo chamber" is not an argument, hence can be ignored as is.
Goals of a project, "spearheading the launch of the real beginning of the starting, now really" does not equal an actual, finished, workable product. Come back when it is done, implemented and used, than i will congratulate for your hard work and ingenuity.

In 3rd world countries, where the economic need to use bitcoin is high (Venezuela, Zimbabwe, India, etc.), it already trades on a higher value than in the banked comfy western countries, so the basic assumption you argue that "scaling problems prohibit 3rd world use" is factually false. You can make it cheaper for them, yes, but it is not broken.
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