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Question: How much of your corn do you plan on cashing out in the next massive bull run?
None - 27 (20.3%)
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November 12, 2017, 05:47:00 PM

It isn't much cheaper to spam bigger blocks. Why is this attack so one-sided?

I asked myself this too... spamming bch mempool would be only 8 times more costly, even more cheap because 1 bch is 1/5 of a btc in usd terms.

Why are we not attacking bch? Seems that we are have not evil manipulators on our side
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November 12, 2017, 05:47:59 PM

I asked myself this too... spamming bch mempool would be only 8 times more costly, even more cheap because 1 bch is 1/5 of a btc in usd terms.

Why are we not attacking bch? Seems that we are have not evil manipulators on our side

Is there not one extremely simple reason why it would be pointless?

No one's using it for fuck all so they wouldn't care and they're used to a frozen blockchain anyway. If it fatally broke who'd give a shit other than Mr. Wu?

It's the polar opposite for BTC which is why it stings so much more. People are actually using it in real life and this is preventing them from doing so.

Bitcoin's biggest comparative strength is also a yawning vulnerability because of it.
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November 12, 2017, 05:52:46 PM

Why are we not attacking bch?

Because nobody cares about bch. Miners will suck its blood and will throw it in the ditch.
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November 12, 2017, 05:53:23 PM

This is not a nice place to be now. Bcash is toxic and has caused major problems.

This thread has become divided and I for one am not enjoying coming here anymore.

I hope you bcash twats are happy. I'm off.

Thats what they want.  They want to wear you down.  Don't let them
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November 12, 2017, 05:54:33 PM

It isn't much cheaper to spam bigger blocks. Why is this attack so one-sided?

I asked myself this too... spamming bch mempool would be only 8 times more costly, even more cheap because 1 bch is 1/5 of a btc in usd terms.

Why are we not attacking bch? Seems that we are have not evil manipulators on our side

Bch spamming would actually be zero cost because its mempool is empty. You could fill 8mb blocks pretty quickly. In fact, with something like 500 blocks per day, you could add +3 to +4gb of spam in there for nothing (in terms of cost).

A more "real" cost would be bitcoiners who wouldn't even bother downloading a 400-500-700gb chain to cash out their bch for btc. So that would "add" a bit in terms of bch price preservation.
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November 12, 2017, 05:58:13 PM

I don't mine anymore but there is no way I would point my miners at a pool that switched to Bitch. If anyone is still using any of the Chinese mining pools, this should be a wake up call. I think a lot of people have already realized this which is why Slush pool has been growing.

The only reason Slush is growing is because all the other miners have abandoned BTC for now.

Miners aren't loyal to anyone or anything. They want them bills paid and some profit. That's it. If that dimness kills BTC they'll probably grunt and find something else to mine, even if there's nothing left.

This whole mining thing and the way it's organized really is a weak point of BTC.
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November 12, 2017, 05:58:25 PM


This is why I don't see any problem with the fees. If you can't afford those fees just use fiat banking. Bitcoin is for people that do value their money, financial freedom and privacy.


Your vision of what should be bitcoin, is far from being the one that initially captivated so many people, developers, investors, etc...
In a third world country, it is really important to have a payment system that is not banked. At the beginning bitcoin was very useful and very popular for those reasons. I do not plan to pay my coffee with bitcoin (and I hope I can do it with LN at some point), but every day bitcoin loses more and more utility in my country. And I'm frustrated to see that every day bitcoin becomes a tool for large investors, banks or investment funds, and ordinary people, on the street, are excluded.
And it seems to me, according to my humble opinion and what I have researched, that an increase to 2MB of block size is far from representing a danger or a problem to decentralization (especially when working on the optimization of block size) .
This increase would be a gesture of goodwill towards the community and would avoid all these discussions and hatred.

Fees are high - apart from the spam attack -, because demand for blockspace is higher than the supply (and always will be). 2MB/4MB/1024MB wouldn't change it, there are near infinite demand for using the blockchain's utilities; time will always be an unchangeable limit for competing transactions, no matter the blocksize.

Stop bitching about it, that is what called free market, those who value the utility/time/cost of their transactions will outcompete those who do not, same as with every goods/services with free market valuation.

Also, how are high fees a sign of failure?
Classic socialist person thinking:
"this restaurant is full, it is clearly failing because I can not eat here, RIGHT NOW, for the price i esteem "FAIR" for a table, bruh bruh "
Sorry, you just got outpriced by the market.

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November 12, 2017, 05:58:47 PM

It isn't much cheaper to spam bigger blocks. Why is this attack so one-sided?

I asked myself this too... spamming bch mempool would be only 8 times more costly, even more cheap because 1 bch is 1/5 of a btc in usd terms.

Why are we not attacking bch? Seems that we are have not evil manipulators on our side

It's more profitable to just sell your BCH for bitcoins than to worry about their forked chain.
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November 12, 2017, 05:58:54 PM

EToro just added BCH to the coins available, if nothing its gaining visibility. I wonder how many other surprises they have
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November 12, 2017, 06:02:44 PM

This is not a nice place to be now. Bcash is toxic and has caused major problems.

This thread has become divided and I for one am not enjoying coming here anymore.

I hope you bcash twats are happy. I'm off.

Thats what they want.  They want to wear you down.  Don't let them

Don't assume everyone is like you...

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November 12, 2017, 06:08:13 PM

Maybe BTC and BCH community can set aside their differences and destroy BTG  Cheesy
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November 12, 2017, 06:08:21 PM

Congrats. Bitcoin is successfully cleaning itself from Wus, Vers, Rights, and other rats. Future for Bitcoin is bright!

what if they just made more money?
They probably did. Doesn't matter. Obvious pump and dump is obvious, their credibility is shot.

Look at what these hypocrites are posting, have they no shame?
https://twitter.com/ProfFaustus/status/929276396295393280

Being pathetic to the floor, while doing exactly opposite of what they are talking.

That is really beyond the pale....

Look at his Twitter profile word salad:  INCOMPREHENSIBLE!!

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My opinions are my own Eternal student and Researcher Plugging Bitcoin from as long as it was Lawyer, Banker, Economist, Coder, Investor, Mathematician & Stats

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November 12, 2017, 06:12:53 PM

I don´t give a shit!
The Idea is not to let anyone tell you what is worth more in the future. It´s not only about the Value in compare to Fiat! YOU decide!

HODL!!!
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November 12, 2017, 06:20:27 PM

As for the fees, Segwit2x will probably be a required fork for the "mainstream" Bitcoin, since Segwit alone failed to address the problem in the short term.

The "problem" with the fees will never be solved whatever we do. There will always be people that will say fees are too high. Segwit2x will fail to address the problem and Segwit4x will be required. Then Segwit8x wil be required and so on. This is why I don't see any problem with the fees. If you can't afford those fees just use fiat banking. Bitcoin is for people that do value their money, financial freedom and privacy.


Ten bucks per transfer really is too fucking high. I just made three of those, and not even for priority transfers - those are 15 a pop. And I will have to spend even more if I dig out the rest of my clonecash at this time, so that's gonna have to wait.
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November 12, 2017, 06:20:33 PM

If you hold the same amount (in coins) of BTC and BCH basically nothing has changed for you.

A few days ago they held a combined USD of ~7800 and it's the same now (though it's currently down to ~7500 but was touching 8000 a few hours ago)
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November 12, 2017, 06:23:07 PM

Maybe BTC and BCH community can set aside their differences and destroy BTG  Cheesy

BCH community?... Seriously?
This community is 3 men whose egos are bigger than Everest.

Craig Wright - Fake Satoshi who tried to con everybody.
Roger - Who told you Mt Gox and Bitcoin Unlimited were safe, and joined all possible BTC fork initiatives since day one.
Jihan - Mining/chip mafia leader and Antbleed purveyor.

What possibly could get wrong with BCH?
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November 12, 2017, 06:25:00 PM

https://www.bitcoincash.org/letter-from-the-ceo.pdf
OFFICIAL STATEMENT
COMMUNIQUÉ OFFICIE


That entire pdf is the biggest load of crap I've ever seen. It sounds like it was written by a 3rd grader. And there's a lot of "We the Management will manage things better for you" garbage rhetoric. So centralized management will decide what's best for the lowly masses. Got it.
Our pic'a'nic bear really is not arguing in good faith. At least we see through him.
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November 12, 2017, 06:25:24 PM

How is 70% of the mining power directed at Bitch Coin? Did Bitmain hijack every Antminer on the planet? No miner in their right mind would voluntarily mine that crap. How did they get that much of the hash rate?

Why would do you assume they will not voluntarily mine BCH? They see this as an opportunity to get much more money for electricity spent. It will be over in a few hours anyway:

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Coin Date (UTC 24h) Remaining Change
BCH Nov 12th, 21:09 3 hours, 2 minutes (131 blk) +400.00%

No way miners are that stupid. Unless they can sell their Bitch within the next 12 hours, it will be nearly worthless again. I think the larger problem here is that the Bitmain mining cartel has revealed their hand on how much hash rate they actually control. The community used to get upset when a pool neared 50% of the hash rate. Now we see that someone actually controls nearly 70%.

Why wouldn't they be able to sell their BCH within 12 hours? With blocks coming in at 1 per minute, you can move from pool to market in a few minutes. Furthermore, F2Pool makes it easy for you. They give the miners the option to pay you in BTC instead.
Its a wham, bam, thank you ma'am proposition. Don't worry, most of the miners will be leaving the BiTcH, shortly.
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November 12, 2017, 06:26:20 PM

The recent low barely brought us to mid channel, if it holds it may well have set the bottom for the next parabolic-er run.  Nothing even remotely worrying here.



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November 12, 2017, 06:26:34 PM

If you hold the same amount (in coins) of BTC and BCH basically nothing has changed for you.

A few days ago they held a combined USD of ~7800 and it's the same now (though it's currently down to ~7500 but was touching 8000 a few hours ago)

Totally irrelevant.
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