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March 07, 2018, 05:17:49 PM


This will eventually create an avalanche that the world of finance hasn't seen yet. It's not a matter of "if", but "when".

The bitcoin world has seen plenty of "avalanches" including 90% retraces and more.
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March 07, 2018, 05:18:41 PM

Will the bearwhales attack 10k again this weekend? I'm gambling on 'yes' by putting up a low buy order. If that doesn't get filled, fine too.

I said THIS WEEKEND goddamnit =(
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March 07, 2018, 05:20:35 PM

Holy shit something major is going on here wtf
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March 07, 2018, 05:21:28 PM
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The MtGox bankruptcy settlement situation demonstrates one more time that The Law Is An Ass.

It is pretty well established in western law that such settlements be conducted on a cash basis. It seems the Japanese courts administering the MtGox deal will hew to this doctrine. As such, creditors will likely be 'made whole' [sic] by awarding them the Yen value of their MtGox accounts, calculated using the price of Bitcoin on the date of receivership.

Of course, BTC has appreciated exorbitantly since then. Given this, MtGox's residual BTC holdings are well in excess of its debts as calculated as per above. Indeed, the recent sale has generated enough fiat to 'make whole' [sic again] the creditors. After this, there remains ~$1.5 B USD worth of crypto in the MtGox coffers.

Again using the established legal protocols, this BTC will likely be considered the property not of MtGox creditors (i.e., after they have been 'made whole' [sic *3]), but of MtGox itself. While the picture is still cloudy, this may result in the rather perverse situation that Karpeles exits this process a very rich man.

The good news is that the required selling would seem to be over. The questionable news is the fate of the remaining funds (i.e. ~3x-4x more than sold so far) remains in limbo, and may be sold at any time, given case disposition. The Vonnegut-esqe news is that a single individual -- either corrupt, incompetent, or both, but clearly undeserving in any instance -- may end up a billionaire.

The Law Is An Ass.

If the Court will reject the Civil Rehabilitation, and continue with bankruptcy, you would be mostly correct. But the Court seems likely to accept CR, it's more a matter of timing.
Please read this: https://wiki.mtgoxlegal.com/en/home/frequently-asked-questions/
I am copy-pasting here the Fisherman analogy from the page linked above, I think it's funny:

A rare type of fish (pisces bitcoinii) is caught every year, by local fishermen (depositors). The fish must be stored in a climate-controlled warehouse so that it will continue to taste good. Fishermen rent space in a common warehouse (Mt. Gox) that also serves as a market, to store their catch of fish during the last season. Some fish-buyers and fishermen also store money (fiat) in the warehouse for short periods of time, but the warehouse is mainly used to store fish (bitcoins).

One year, the warehouse owner (Mark) took a long vacation to Macau (did something irresponsible), and left nobody guarding the warehouse. While he was gone, 75% of the fish and all of the money were taken by thieves. The remaining fish are mixed up so it’s unclear who they belong to (unsecured assets). When the warehouse owner notices this, he declares bankruptcy.

The fish are taken by the bankruptcy trustee, who prepares to sell them and distribute the money from the sale to the fishermen. He takes a very long time though, because a bookie is demanding the fish be sold to pay the warehouse owner’s gambling debts (Coinlab). The next year, the fish that are caught are mostly infected with worms. The price of last year’s fish catch skyrockets, and is 50 times higher than the previous year! One of the largest reserves of this fish is in the possession of the trustee. And meanwhile, the fishermen are in danger of losing their boats because they have no money, and some have taken out loans with high interest.

The bankruptcy trustee proposes to sell all the fish, pay the fishermen based on last year’s price, and then give the remaining money to the warehouse owner. This outrages the fishermen, who believe that they should be the ones to benefit, since it is their fish that are now in such high demand. It was the warehouse owner’s negligence that caused the theft, and he would be made very rich indeed if the trustee’s plan moves forward. Meanwhile, the bookie is still wasting the court’s time, claiming the fish need to be sold to pay off the warehouse owner’s gambling debts.

The fishermen aren’t sure if next year’s catch of fish will be infected with worms or not. If they are, the price will go up even more, but if not, the price will plummet, and the fishermen would all like to be able to sell at least some of their fish while the price for them is high.
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March 07, 2018, 05:21:57 PM

someone call the bottom please.
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March 07, 2018, 05:22:14 PM

Where is the Binance hack rumour coming from? Any source?
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March 07, 2018, 05:23:05 PM

Was binance hacked
https://thenextweb.com/hardfork/2018/03/07/binance-accidentally-selling-users-cryptocurrency-bitcoin/
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March 07, 2018, 05:24:02 PM

Binance Community Manager has responded in this thread (reddit) and will help keep us up to date:(https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/82pf9i/warning_issues_on_binance/dvbrzl0/)
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March 07, 2018, 05:24:07 PM

Capitulation incoming perhaps?
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March 07, 2018, 05:24:26 PM

Im calm and slowly buying the dips; all of them Cool
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March 07, 2018, 05:24:36 PM

Thats one hell of a bloody dagger candle on the 2 hour. Sad. I guess the fall over the last 2 days was insider knowledge of this announce. Still though the fall seems like an overreaction or am I missing something?
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March 07, 2018, 05:24:57 PM
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Where is the Binance hack rumour coming from? Any source?

A bot popular at binance got hacked and bought someones viacoins with an astronomical price. Binance itself is safe. BTC market is just so thin and weak that it will jump on every scare.
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March 07, 2018, 05:25:12 PM

Follow this thread on Reddit for more info on Binance current situation
https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/82pf9i/warning_issues_on_binance/
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March 07, 2018, 05:25:22 PM


Binance wasn't hacked.

It was just some dodgy API clients that decided to go rogue and take over their user's accounts.

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March 07, 2018, 05:25:52 PM

oh and Binance got hacked a bit
oh and BitMEX down

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March 07, 2018, 05:26:06 PM

someone call the bottom please.

...either the bottom or the ambulance.
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March 07, 2018, 05:27:11 PM


Binance wasn't hacked.

It was just some dodgy API clients that decided to go rogue and take over their user's accounts.

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March 07, 2018, 05:27:31 PM

Would really like to know what the folks predicting 20k/50k/100k for the end of year are saying.

In my opinion we are in a cycle of <10k - 12k which is just repeating itself.
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March 07, 2018, 05:27:56 PM

Thats one hell of a bloody dagger candle on the 2 hour. Sad. I guess the fall over the last 2 days was insider knowledge of this announce. Still though the fall seems like an overreaction or am I missing something?

It’s going to be all the people who held funds on Binance that didn’t get funds stolen obviously cashing the fuck out to get their funds safe?
I presume that’s what is happening because why the hell would anybody else care?

This is a great buying opportunity for anybody who has spare fiat.
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