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sorry guys i started early - gonna drink this Dublin pub dry
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March 16, 2018, 06:27:42 PM

Look at Bob, he has probably paid more in taxes than an average person would need to live their entire life. It's costly, yep, but I guess you buy some peace of mind with that. Not because it is fair or even moral, but just because you avoid such potential problems.

Of course we all have the right to gamble on the risk of not doing it. That's each person decision.


That's the point: I don't pay taxes as a matter of principle, just like I don't pay extortionists, which is the same.
If I have to live as a mafiaman and risk everything all the time, so be it. The Revolution is not for gays.

 Now I feel as though there will be IRS agents infiltrating our party.  I suggest we have to sign a message with our posted addresses to gain entry.  Maybe r0ach can guard the door to keep the riff raff out Grin
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sorry guys i started early

I see 0.1BTC of beer right there. Nice as a starting point.
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March 16, 2018, 06:43:59 PM

Look at Bob, he has probably paid more in taxes than an average person would need to live their entire life. It's costly, yep, but I guess you buy some peace of mind with that. Not because it is fair or even moral, but just because you avoid such potential problems.

Of course we all have the right to gamble on the risk of not doing it. That's each person decision.


That's the point: I don't pay taxes as a matter of principle, just like I don't pay extortionists, which is the same.
If I have to live as a mafiaman and risk everything all the time, so be it. The Revolution is not for gays.

The thing is I am not specifically against taxes. I am against the inefficient usage they do with our taxes. Taxes are needed, irresponsible spending of public funds absolutely NOT. That's what we should fight against.... but it is a lost battle unfortunately.
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March 16, 2018, 06:49:38 PM

Look at Bob, he has probably paid more in taxes than an average person would need to live their entire life. It's costly, yep, but I guess you buy some peace of mind with that. Not because it is fair or even moral, but just because you avoid such potential problems.

Of course we all have the right to gamble on the risk of not doing it. That's each person decision.


That's the point: I don't pay taxes as a matter of principle, just like I don't pay extortionists, which is the same.
If I have to live as a mafiaman and risk everything all the time, so be it. The Revolution is not for gays.

The thing is I am not specifically against taxes. I am against the inefficient usage they do with our taxes. Taxes are needed, irresponsible spending of public funds absolutely NOT. That's what we should fight against.... but it is a lost battle unfortunately.
We got a major economic disaster coming at some point. Hence bitcoin.
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The thing is I am not specifically against taxes. I am against the inefficient usage they do with our taxes. Taxes are needed, irresponsible spending of public funds absolutely NOT. That's what we should fight against.... but it is a lost battle unfortunately.

Once you accept that someone can extort money from you -for any reason-, there is no limit to your enslavement.
But if you are fine with it, good for you. Me, I opt out, with any means necessary.
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Noisy data on the old reliable.




Tera..look at your chart at around 2015..I believe you might not have put enough parabola in your channel going upwards. It looks not only flat to me but the scale is off towards the end. Have you ever used a brake press? Or bent rebar or other similar materials? If you take the circles you have in your channel and move them to the bottom and then the top lines, you will see where your parabola should start to happen.


Quadriatic Bézier curves.




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March 16, 2018, 07:10:16 PM

Things looking a bit brighter today and really refreshing to see people already talking about the future $100K party. *THAT* would be *EPIC*.

I’ll supply the cocaine (not going to say if I’m joking or not due to discretion)
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Tera..look at your chart at around 2015..I believe you might not have put enough parabola in your channel going upwards. It looks not only flat to me but the scale is off towards the end. Have you ever used a brake press? Or bent rebar or other similar materials? If you take the circles you have in your channel and move them to the bottom and then the top lines, you will see where your parabola should start to happen.


Quadriatic Bézier curves.






WTF?!?

So... uh... UP?
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The thing is I am not specifically against taxes. I am against the inefficient usage they do with our taxes. Taxes are needed, irresponsible spending of public funds absolutely NOT. That's what we should fight against.... but it is a lost battle unfortunately.

Once you accept that someone can extort money from you -for any reason-, there is no limit to your enslavement.
But if you are fine with it, good for you. Me, I opt out, with any means necessary.

I haven't opened a letter from the tax man in over two decades so I've no idea what he thinks of me these days. They get binned if they manage to find an address to send to. I also own pretty much nothing and no longer even have a mobile phone number, let alone a real one.

I presume coming in from the cold will involve men with torches on the end of their shooters coming to visit. Or I could just pick up my one bag of filth, go abroad and never return.
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March 16, 2018, 07:20:22 PM

WTF?!?

So... uh... UP?

I wish I could say...YES!  Its going up and never coming down. Reality though.
I believe in the long term we are all going to be fine..  Right now I think we are laddering up to some of the resistance points I illustrated on the chart but with low hanging cloud cover in the forecast I am still cautiously optimistic. I think the price right now is lower than it should be but my opinion is just that...a opinion.
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March 16, 2018, 07:27:59 PM

One Bcash wallet owned by Bitmain with a staggering 440,000 Bcash in it, that bag gets bigger everyday because nobody is buying that shitcoin. Tongue

It'd probably be a lot bigger if the largest Bitcoin holders (like the WinkleVii for example) would dump all their remaining BCash, but I imagine that some of them just can't be bothered to jump through the hoops.  Tongue

How do we know that Winklvii and some of the other BIG ones have not dumped their Bcash?

Well I guess we don't know that, it would take some sleuthing to know for sure. The WinkleVii claim to have not sold anything and have all their Bitcoin locked up.

But then with a BCash major dump the question is who would buy it? The BCash float is so tiny and thin right now that it couldn't take a major market dump. Not on the scale of what the Bitcoin market can absorb.

I have heard some of the Windlevii claims, and I just don't buy the parts about the locked up bitcoin.  I believe that they can honestly maintain their claim that they have not spent any of their bitcoin, but still move their bitcoin.  It seems that they did use some of their own bitcoin to collateralize petitions that they were making.

I do agree with your point that there are likely some BIG OG Bcash holders out there that currently could pretty much drive the Bcash market into a pretty low price status, if they were to chose to take such action.  It may be wishful thinking to hope for such, and perhaps we are merely going to witness ongoing Bcash bleeding.. and maybe some here and there attempts at pumps.  Unless we witness some pretty calamitous Bcash price dumping, I don't doubt that there are some businesses that might not be gullible enough to take bcash on as a "cheaper bitcoin," which could cause further pumps.
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March 16, 2018, 07:29:39 PM

Next time it goes superparabolic I want to be all in, not waiting to buy the dip.

Any sense what forks are worth if you have already sold your bcash lol and Bgold?

I am looking forward to a wallet which can give you a split of all forks, then convert them all to btc.
I don't mind to pay a fee for it (0.5%-1% of the total sum is probably reasonable).
Maybe there is already a tool like this, but i am unaware of it (has to be completely reliable).
I did one conversion, splitting btc, bch and btg. It was a bit long with the use of multiple apps.
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One Bcash wallet owned by Bitmain with a staggering 440,000 Bcash in it, that bag gets bigger everyday because nobody is buying that shitcoin. Tongue

It'd probably be a lot bigger if the largest Bitcoin holders (like the WinkleVii for example) would dump all their remaining BCash, but I imagine that some of them just can't be bothered to jump through the hoops.  Tongue

How do we know that Winklvii and some of the other BIG ones have not dumped their Bcash?

Well I guess we don't know that, it would take some sleuthing to know for sure. The WinkleVii claim to have not sold anything and have all their Bitcoin locked up.

But then with a BCash major dump the question is who would buy it? The BCash float is so tiny and thin right now that it couldn't take a major market dump. Not on the scale of what the Bitcoin market can absorb.

I have heard some of the Windlevii claims, and I just don't buy the parts about the locked up bitcoin.  I believe that they can honestly maintain their claim that they have not spent any of their bitcoin, but still move their bitcoin.  It seems that they did use some of their own bitcoin to collateralize petitions that they were making.

I do agree with your point that there are likely some BIG OG Bcash holders out there that currently could pretty much drive the Bcash market into a pretty low price status, if they were to chose to take such action.  It may be wishful thinking to hope for such, and perhaps we are merely going to witness ongoing Bcash bleeding.. and maybe some here and there attempts at pumps.  Unless we witness some pretty calamitous Bcash price dumping, I don't doubt that there are some businesses that might not be gullible enough to take bcash on as a "cheaper bitcoin," which could cause further pumps.

with bitcoin's volatility, it is difficult to borrow against it (in Winkelevi case); perhaps they used or will use futures.
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Things looking a bit brighter today and really refreshing to see people already talking about the future $100K party. *THAT* would be *EPIC*.

I’ll supply the cocaine (not going to say if I’m joking or not due to discretion)

I will provide the hookers (not going to say whether I am really going to be there due to fear of receiving a wedgie).
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March 16, 2018, 07:41:06 PM

One Bcash wallet owned by Bitmain with a staggering 440,000 Bcash in it, that bag gets bigger everyday because nobody is buying that shitcoin. Tongue

It'd probably be a lot bigger if the largest Bitcoin holders (like the WinkleVii for example) would dump all their remaining BCash, but I imagine that some of them just can't be bothered to jump through the hoops.  Tongue

How do we know that Winklvii and some of the other BIG ones have not dumped their Bcash?

Well I guess we don't know that, it would take some sleuthing to know for sure. The WinkleVii claim to have not sold anything and have all their Bitcoin locked up.

But then with a BCash major dump the question is who would buy it? The BCash float is so tiny and thin right now that it couldn't take a major market dump. Not on the scale of what the Bitcoin market can absorb.

I have heard some of the Windlevii claims, and I just don't buy the parts about the locked up bitcoin.  I believe that they can honestly maintain their claim that they have not spent any of their bitcoin, but still move their bitcoin.  It seems that they did use some of their own bitcoin to collateralize petitions that they were making.

I do agree with your point that there are likely some BIG OG Bcash holders out there that currently could pretty much drive the Bcash market into a pretty low price status, if they were to chose to take such action.  It may be wishful thinking to hope for such, and perhaps we are merely going to witness ongoing Bcash bleeding.. and maybe some here and there attempts at pumps.  Unless we witness some pretty calamitous Bcash price dumping, I don't doubt that there are some businesses that might not be gullible enough to take bcash on as a "cheaper bitcoin," which could cause further pumps.

Maybe I am wrong but I have always presumed that the winklevi had some sort of fund (Gemini?) with a substantial part of their BTC so that when people buy "shares" of it it is, effectively, as if they were "selling" (they trade a share of their BTC for FIAT) but without (directly) affecting the market. That's why they plan to also do a Bcash fund, to make some of their coins liquid without having to directly sell.
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March 16, 2018, 07:43:25 PM

One Bcash wallet owned by Bitmain with a staggering 440,000 Bcash in it, that bag gets bigger everyday because nobody is buying that shitcoin. Tongue

It'd probably be a lot bigger if the largest Bitcoin holders (like the WinkleVii for example) would dump all their remaining BCash, but I imagine that some of them just can't be bothered to jump through the hoops.  Tongue

How do we know that Winklvii and some of the other BIG ones have not dumped their Bcash?

Well I guess we don't know that, it would take some sleuthing to know for sure. The WinkleVii claim to have not sold anything and have all their Bitcoin locked up.

But then with a BCash major dump the question is who would buy it? The BCash float is so tiny and thin right now that it couldn't take a major market dump. Not on the scale of what the Bitcoin market can absorb.

I have heard some of the Windlevii claims, and I just don't buy the parts about the locked up bitcoin.  I believe that they can honestly maintain their claim that they have not spent any of their bitcoin, but still move their bitcoin.  It seems that they did use some of their own bitcoin to collateralize petitions that they were making.

I do agree with your point that there are likely some BIG OG Bcash holders out there that currently could pretty much drive the Bcash market into a pretty low price status, if they were to chose to take such action.  It may be wishful thinking to hope for such, and perhaps we are merely going to witness ongoing Bcash bleeding.. and maybe some here and there attempts at pumps.  Unless we witness some pretty calamitous Bcash price dumping, I don't doubt that there are some businesses that might not be gullible enough to take bcash on as a "cheaper bitcoin," which could cause further pumps.

with bitcoin's volatility, it is difficult to borrow against it (in Winkelevi case); perhaps they used or will use futures.


I am not saying that they actually borrowed against it, but when they filed their various licensing petitions, whether with the exchange or with the ETF or other business branches that they have, they likely used some or part of their bitcoin stash as a form of collateral to show that they could support some of the business liquidity.
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March 16, 2018, 07:45:33 PM

One Bcash wallet owned by Bitmain with a staggering 440,000 Bcash in it, that bag gets bigger everyday because nobody is buying that shitcoin. Tongue

It'd probably be a lot bigger if the largest Bitcoin holders (like the WinkleVii for example) would dump all their remaining BCash, but I imagine that some of them just can't be bothered to jump through the hoops.  Tongue

How do we know that Winklvii and some of the other BIG ones have not dumped their Bcash?

Well I guess we don't know that, it would take some sleuthing to know for sure. The WinkleVii claim to have not sold anything and have all their Bitcoin locked up.

But then with a BCash major dump the question is who would buy it? The BCash float is so tiny and thin right now that it couldn't take a major market dump. Not on the scale of what the Bitcoin market can absorb.

I have heard some of the Windlevii claims, and I just don't buy the parts about the locked up bitcoin.  I believe that they can honestly maintain their claim that they have not spent any of their bitcoin, but still move their bitcoin.  It seems that they did use some of their own bitcoin to collateralize petitions that they were making.

I do agree with your point that there are likely some BIG OG Bcash holders out there that currently could pretty much drive the Bcash market into a pretty low price status, if they were to chose to take such action.  It may be wishful thinking to hope for such, and perhaps we are merely going to witness ongoing Bcash bleeding.. and maybe some here and there attempts at pumps.  Unless we witness some pretty calamitous Bcash price dumping, I don't doubt that there are some businesses that might not be gullible enough to take bcash on as a "cheaper bitcoin," which could cause further pumps.

Maybe I am wrong but I have always presumed that the winklevi had some sort of fund (Gemini?) with a substantial part of their BTC so that when people buy "shares" of it it is, effectively, as if they were "selling" (they trade a share of their BTC for FIAT) but without (directly) affecting the market. That's why they plan to also do a Bcash fund, to make some of their coins liquid without having to directly sell.

I think that is something like what I am saying regarding my disbelief about any claims that the winlevii actually have their BTC "locked up"
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Or I could just pick up my one bag of filth, go abroad and never return.

That's where an exotic wife comes very handy.
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