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Question: Closing BTC Price June 28:
$0 - 5 (3.5%)
<$7,000 - 4 (2.8%)
$7,000-$7,499 - 0 (0%)
$7,500-$7,999 - 0 (0%)
$8,000-$8,499 - 1 (0.7%)
$8,500-$8,999 - 3 (2.1%)
$9,000-$9,499 - 4 (2.8%)
$9,500-$9,999 - 26 (18.3%)
$10,000-$10,499 - 23 (16.2%)
$10,500-10,999 - 12 (8.5%)
$11,000-$11,499 - 13 (9.2%)
$11,500-$12,000 - 10 (7%)
>$12,000 - 30 (21.1%)
>$20,000 - 11 (7.7%)
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May 25, 2018, 09:13:25 PM

https://trademarks.ipo.gov.uk/ipo-tmcase/page/Results/1/UK00003279106
Some doofus (LANDSVERK, Kjell Halvor - Oct '79) in Fulham, UK, trademarked the word bitcoin for clothes, booze etc.

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May 25, 2018, 09:32:50 PM

https://trademarks.ipo.gov.uk/ipo-tmcase/page/Results/1/UK00003279106
Some doofus (LANDSVERK, Kjell Halvor - Oct '79) in Fulham, UK, trademarked the word bitcoin for clothes, booze etc.

Well He should RIGHT AWAY go sue...

umm...

start a case against...

umm...

Vitali.. no wait.

umm...

Meaningless trademark is meaningless.
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May 25, 2018, 09:39:13 PM

https://trademarks.ipo.gov.uk/ipo-tmcase/page/Results/1/UK00003279106
Some doofus (LANDSVERK, Kjell Halvor - Oct '79) in Fulham, UK, trademarked the word bitcoin for clothes, booze etc.

Well He should RIGHT AWAY go sue...

umm...

start a case against...

umm...

Vitali.. no wait.

umm...

Meaningless trademark is meaningless.

Yes it's quite dotty. He's sent a c&d letter https://www.reddit.com/r/LegalAdviceUK/comments/8m286u/advice_regarding_this_trademark_infringement/
Best part: "So I've removed all the bitcoin shirts from my store, which I'm not bothered about since they don't sell."
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May 25, 2018, 09:45:39 PM

More silly
https://www.coinspeaker.com/2018/05/23/what-is-rothschilds-immo/
https://cryptorecorder.com/2018/05/25/online-disputes-about-the-rothschilds-involvement-in-the-creation-of-their-own-cryptocurrency-projects/
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Wait.  Are you striving to suggest that I am buying into alt coin mania? or trying to get into misleading pumping and dumping?  hahahahaha

As you likely realize, I am not really interested in trading Alts, specifically, but just in case you do not know, I am interested in the concept of decentralized means to exchange bitcoins, whether that is to trade for Alts or with some kind of fiat pegged asset - and the more ways that exist to exchange your bitcoins for some other asset, the more likely competition that develops around the space, including competition regarding fees, and my ultimate concern relates back to bitcoin as I already mentioned, read above.     Tongue
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May 25, 2018, 10:13:56 PM

https://www.faa.st/pricing
.5% +tx fees +slippage - can't find what market they use.
Anyone used it? dyor essential
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There are only two camps of people, those that believe in sound, physical money that actually exists in the real world like silver and gold, and those that believe in completely arbitrary, imaginary, valueless tokens like US dollars, bitcoins, and Chuck E Cheese tokens.

Do US dollars have a hard cap? No.
Do US dollars have a predictable issuance schedule? No.
Do Chuck E Cheese tokens have a hard cap? No.
Do Chuck E Cheese tokens have a predictable issuance schedule? No.

Do Bitcoins have a hard cap? Yes.
Do Bitcoins have a predictable issuance schedule? Yes.

Therefore it is either stupid or disingenuous to lump Bitcoins in with these obvious
scam projects like US dollars or Chuck E Cheese tokens.

You cannot be serious.  I'm not some type of idiot-sucker like all you people that can be fooled by cut and pasting Andreas Antonopolous used car salesman lies.  Bitcoin has NOTHING close to a Nash equilibrium, which means none of this shit is true.  It's just a designed to centralize power vacuum to be taken over and exploited.  This is not some far off in the future thing, it happened almost immediately after the first ASIC was released.  It was at that point there was no reason for bitcoin to exist.

SURE, if the completely centralized transaction validators do something you don't like such as increasing the coin count or trying to ram in chain anchor to fully realize the police state function of bitcoin you can attempt to fork off into a different chain, but it's you that would be the altcoin, not the tyrants with power over the original chain.  The people who centralized the original chain have done absolutely nothing wrong, they have only utilized bitcoin the way it was designed - to completely centralize under them.

Your only options at this point are either continuous forking to infinity and death by diffusion with no valid Schelling Point (not a valid option), or obeying whoever the transaction validators centralize under in some type of Orwellian dystopia.  They, or their small cartel, can collude to jack transaction fees to whatever they want, block anyone's transactions they want if you don't worship the state, or any other option that amuses them.  So all you're getting out of this is either a failed experiment or complete dystopia, pick one.  This is why the fundamentals of silver and gold completely destroy this garbage.  Shitcoins have no fundamentals because it's 100% impossible to create a decentralized digital currency.
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May 25, 2018, 10:47:08 PM

Okey so whats next???


Were gonne drop to €3k???
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May 25, 2018, 10:49:56 PM

https://trademarks.ipo.gov.uk/ipo-tmcase/page/Results/1/UK00003279106
Some doofus (LANDSVERK, Kjell Halvor - Oct '79) in Fulham, UK, trademarked the word bitcoin for clothes, booze etc.

Well He should RIGHT AWAY go sue...

umm...

start a case against...

umm...

Vitali.. no wait.

umm...

Meaningless trademark is meaningless.

He could sue Craig Wright.
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May 25, 2018, 10:58:33 PM

Okey so whats next???


Were gonne drop to €3k???
Seems like just waiting for a breakout.
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May 25, 2018, 11:00:51 PM

Quote
“In February, it became known that the Tether accounts of Bitfinex were opened in the Dutch bank ING, owned by The Rothschild Group.

It was pretty obvious even when the bitcoin price was low in the several hundreds of dollars that there was way too much seemingly infinitely printed money appearing out of the void.  It was far too easy to make money because it always felt like someone was propping up the entire scene from behind the curtain all the way from $200+ whether it was in bitcoin or altcoins.  Now you have the source of what was behind that magical curtain.
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May 25, 2018, 11:02:12 PM

There are only two camps of people, those that believe in sound, physical money that actually exists in the real world like silver and gold, and those that believe in completely arbitrary, imaginary, valueless tokens like US dollars, bitcoins, and Chuck E Cheese tokens.

Do US dollars have a hard cap? No.
Do US dollars have a predictable issuance schedule? No.
Do Chuck E Cheese tokens have a hard cap? No.
Do Chuck E Cheese tokens have a predictable issuance schedule? No.

Do Bitcoins have a hard cap? Yes.
Do Bitcoins have a predictable issuance schedule? Yes.

Therefore it is either stupid or disingenuous to lump Bitcoins in with these obvious
scam projects like US dollars or Chuck E Cheese tokens.

You cannot be serious.  I'm not some type of idiot-sucker like all you people that can be fooled by cut and pasting Andreas Antonopolous used car salesman lies.  Bitcoin has NOTHING close to a Nash equilibrium, which means none of this shit is true.  It's just a designed to centralize power vacuum to be taken over and exploited.  This is not some far off in the future thing, it happened almost immediately after the first ASIC was released.  It was at that point there was no reason for bitcoin to exist.

SURE, if the completely centralized transaction validators do something you don't like such as increasing the coin count or trying to ram in chain anchor to fully realize the police state function of bitcoin you can attempt to fork off into a different chain, but it's you that would be the altcoin, not the tyrants with power over the original chain.  The people who centralized the original chain have done absolutely nothing wrong, they have only utilized bitcoin the way it was designed - to completely centralize under them.

Your only options at this point are either continuous forking to infinity and death by diffusion with no valid Schelling Point (not a valid option), or obeying whoever the transaction validators centralize under in some type of Orwellian dystopia.  They, or their small cartel, can collude to jack transaction fees to whatever they want, block anyone's transactions they want if you don't worship the state, or any other option that amuses them.  So all you're getting out of this is either a failed experiment or complete dystopia, pick one.  This is why the fundamentals of silver and gold completely destroy this garbage.  Shitcoins have no fundamentals because it's 100% impossible to create a decentralized digital currency.

And exactly how is switching to gold and silver bullion going to get the government off of our backs? Wouldn't the governments and the religious leaders end up getting a substantial portion of the gold and silver, anyway? Wouldn't they then use the gold and silver to raise up armies and bully the rest of us into handing them even more of our gold and silver via taxes and other forms of extortion?
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May 25, 2018, 11:17:10 PM

Blah blah

Do US dollars have a hard cap? No.
Do US dollars have a predictable issuance schedule? No.
Do Chuck E Cheese tokens have a hard cap? No.
Do Chuck E Cheese tokens have a predictable issuance schedule? No.

Do Bitcoins have a hard cap? Yes.
Do Bitcoins have a predictable issuance schedule? Yes.

Therefore it is either stupid or disingenuous to lump Bitcoins in with these obvious
scam projects like US dollars or Chuck E Cheese tokens.

Blah blah centralize blah blah

And exactly how is switching to gold and silver bullion going to get the government off of our backs? Wouldn't the governments and the religious leaders end up getting a substantial portion of the gold and silver, anyway? Wouldn't they then use the gold and silver to raise up armies and bully the rest of us into handing them even more of our gold and silver via taxes and other forms of extortion?

Bones, you too still quoting him-who-must-not-be-quoted? Tongue
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May 25, 2018, 11:30:50 PM

And exactly how is switching to gold and silver bullion going to get the government off of our backs? Wouldn't the governments and the religious leaders end up getting a substantial portion of the gold and silver, anyway? Wouldn't they then use the gold and silver to raise up armies and bully the rest of us into handing them even more of our gold and silver via taxes and other forms of extortion?

This is all off-base, nonsense you're speaking.  The goal of the moneychangers is CONTROL.  They have already accumulated unimaginable wealth.  How we arrive at this point is mostly related to things like Maslow's pyramid.  These Jewish moneychanger like to make believe they're some type of advanced lifeform - 'aristocrats', but they're really just primitive monkeys governed by wants and desires most primitive monkeys are governed by.  

After they've secured the basic needs - the base of objects on rudimentary pyramids like Maslow - they then move up to the next level of desires.  It turns out monkeys are crazy, primitive, Freudian dumbasses and have most of their desires rooted in things like reproduction, and part of that paradigm of thought is the desire of the monkey to rule over and dominate all the other monkeys to secure their reproductive lot.  It doesn't really matter if these people are 90 years old and can't even have sex at all, they're like a dysfunctional robot that still wants to setup their ideal hierarchy of domination over others to maximize reproductive potential.

Since shitcoins have nothing resembling a Nash equilibrium, and it's 100% impossible to create a decentralized digital currency, they're just power vacuums for someone or a cartel to step in and take over - a technocratic dystopia. These fit well into the psycho, Freudian monkey paradigm to rule over others.  Silver and gold, on the other hand, do not have built-in middlemen (transaction validators) like shitcoins do.  They are poor systems of control.  The goal is to destroy the systems of control that a handful of monkeys use to enslave the planet.  Metals work well to accomplish this task, while shitcoins just help to increase enslavement levels.
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May 25, 2018, 11:32:32 PM

QUICK list 12288 is finisht GOOD LUCK   WO's

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May 25, 2018, 11:34:00 PM

Okey so whats next???


Were gonne drop to €3k???

thinking BTC is just testing the doug polk 10K bet
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May 25, 2018, 11:47:28 PM

And exactly how is switching to gold and silver bullion going to get the government off of our backs? Wouldn't the governments and the religious leaders end up getting a substantial portion of the gold and silver, anyway? Wouldn't they then use the gold and silver to raise up armies and bully the rest of us into handing them even more of our gold and silver via taxes and other forms of extortion?

This is all off-base, nonsense you're speaking.  The goal of the moneychangers is CONTROL.  They have already accumulated unimaginable wealth.  How we arrive at this point is mostly related to things like Maslow's pyramid.  These Jewish moneychanger like to make believe they're some type of advanced lifeform - 'aristocrats', but they're really just primitive monkeys governed by wants and desires most primitive monkeys are governed by.  

After they've secured the basic needs - the base of objects on rudimentary pyramids like Maslow - they then move up to the next level of desires.  It turns out monkeys are crazy, primitive, Freudian dumbasses and have most of their desires rooted in things like reproduction, and part of that paradigm of thought is the desire of the monkey to rule over and dominate all the other monkeys to secure their reproductive lot.  It doesn't really matter if these people are 90 years old and can't even have sex at all, they're like a dysfunctional robot that still wants to setup their ideal hierarchy of domination over others to maximize reproductive potential.

Since shitcoins have nothing resembling a Nash equilibrium, and it's 100% impossible to create a decentralized digital currency, they're just power vacuums for someone or a cartel to step in and take over - a technocratic dystopia. These fit well into the psycho, Freudian monkey paradigm to rule over others.  Silver and gold, on the other hand, do not have built-in middlemen (transaction validators) like shitcoins do.  They are poor systems of control.  The goal is to destroy the systems of control that a handful of monkeys use to illogically enslave the planet.  Metals work well to accomplish this task, while shitcoins just help to increase enslavement levels.

Oh please. the way banknotes started in the first place is merchants wanted to store their gold at a bank, rather than lugging it around themselves or setting up their own fort and small militia to protect it. Then they were issued a piece of paper, a banknote. When the bankers discovered people were using the banknotes like money, they discovered a way to loan people paper and run a fractional reserve. It doesn't matter what medium you use as money. Someone is going to find a way to put them self in the middle and exact their usurious fees. Or they will just use force or stealth and outright steal your bounty.
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May 25, 2018, 11:51:38 PM

https://www.faa.st/pricing
.5% +tx fees +slippage - can't find what market they use.
Anyone used it? dyor essential

Is that the service that is being used by Trezor?  From the link that you provided, the swap fee is paid on each side of the transaction, so if it is .5%, as it is listed in the example, then it would have to be x2 and therefore a total of 1% for the whole transaction.. that is how it appears, currently.
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Oh please. the way banknotes started in the first place is merchants wanted to store their gold at a bank, rather than lugging it around themselves or setting up their own fort and small militia to protect it. Then they were issued a piece of paper, a banknote. When the bankers discovered people were using the banknotes like money, they discovered a way to loan people paper and run a fractional reserve. It doesn't matter what medium you use as money. Someone is going to find a way to put them self in the middle and exact their usurious fees. Or just plain use force or stealth and outright steal your bounty.

Interestingly, the first technology to be developed since the advent of fractional reserve banking that actually has a real chance of putting a stop to most of the double counting of reserve assets is... drum-roll... blockchain!
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And exactly how is switching to gold and silver bullion going to get the government off of our backs? Wouldn't the governments and the religious leaders end up getting a substantial portion of the gold and silver, anyway? Wouldn't they then use the gold and silver to raise up armies and bully the rest of us into handing them even more of our gold and silver via taxes and other forms of extortion?

This is all off-base, nonsense you're speaking.  The goal of the moneychangers is CONTROL.  They have already accumulated unimaginable wealth.  How we arrive at this point is mostly related to things like Maslow's pyramid.  These Jewish moneychanger like to make believe they're some type of advanced lifeform - 'aristocrats', but they're really just primitive monkeys governed by wants and desires most primitive monkeys are governed by.  

After they've secured the basic needs - the base of objects on rudimentary pyramids like Maslow - they then move up to the next level of desires.  It turns out monkeys are crazy, primitive, Freudian dumbasses and have most of their desires rooted in things like reproduction, and part of that paradigm of thought is the desire of the monkey to rule over and dominate all the other monkeys to secure their reproductive lot.  It doesn't really matter if these people are 90 years old and can't even have sex at all, they're like a dysfunctional robot that still wants to setup their ideal hierarchy of domination over others to maximize reproductive potential.

Since shitcoins have nothing resembling a Nash equilibrium, and it's 100% impossible to create a decentralized digital currency, they're just power vacuums for someone or a cartel to step in and take over - a technocratic dystopia. These fit well into the psycho, Freudian monkey paradigm to rule over others.  Silver and gold, on the other hand, do not have built-in middlemen (transaction validators) like shitcoins do.  They are poor systems of control.  The goal is to destroy the systems of control that a handful of monkeys use to illogically enslave the planet.  Metals work well to accomplish this task, while shitcoins just help to increase enslavement levels.

Oh please. the way banknotes started in the first place is merchants wanted to store their gold at a bank, rather than lugging it around themselves or setting up their own fort and small militia to protect it. Then they were issued a piece of paper, a banknote. When the bankers discovered people were using the banknotes like money, they discovered a way to loan people paper and run a fractional reserve. It doesn't matter what medium you use as money. Someone is going to find a way to put them self in the middle and exact their usurious fees.

This has nothing to do with metals in general.  It can happen to shitcoins and any other thing you attempt to use as a monetary instrument.  You have simply discovered possession is 9/10ths of the law.  Unless you can hold something in your hand and defend it with an AR15 from someone attempting to take it from you, you don't own it.  The moral of the story is, don't accept IOUs or anything with middlemen or counterparty risk.

Bitcoin has built-in middlemen - transaction validators who can approve or blacklist your tokens, amongst thousands of other individuals in the world from people working at the power company, to programmers, etc., that are needed to keep the thing running.  It does not require thousands of other counterparties just for silver or gold to exist.  They exist whether all those idiots like it or give permission for it to or not.  Metals are the only real permissionless system of money.
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