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@BitfuryGeorge 1h1 hour ago https://twitter.com/BitfuryGeorge/status/1004102135812972544

Network Difficulty @ 35,000 Peta
Halving in < 2 years
And we are still at $7,500 ?
Give me a break !


... seems to be feeling the pinch there. How stupid to show your hand in public, though.
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June 05, 2018, 10:18:02 PM

Phuk!

We are like in desert without water for days waiting for the real bitcoin/Altcoins next big leg to make ATH everywhere.
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Nope.  Apparently we have a misunderstanding because I was attempting to say the opposite.  I was attempting to say that the falseness of the moonlandings would be more likely than the falseness of flat earth theories.  Thanks for clarifying and sorry for my ambiguity.


ok so we agree you misspoke.
And tbh, after re-reading your original post that elicited my response of
"oh my fucking god.....etc," that triggered this whole moon landing flat earth exchange,
I suspected that's what you actually meant, so a big NEVERMIND THEN!!! 
Dude, I wasn't trying to blow it up or pick a fight, just wanted to sort out the mess.
Now let's put this damn thing to bed, yeah? Everyone's getting annoyed..lol

Great.  Seems like we are done with battle mode, for now, and willing to hug it out.    Wink

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but we did go to the moon right?
i mean 20K is not bad right?
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at Chernobyl
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but we did go to the moon right?
i mean 20K is not bad right?

No, it wasn't too bad. It allowed for many people to finally gain some form of financial independence. However, minnows like me need it to go to $100000 USD. I long for the day that I can tell my employer good bye. Grin

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but we did go to the moon right?
i mean 20K is not bad right?

No, it wasn't too bad. It allowed for many people to finally gain some form of financial independence. However, minnows like me need it to go to $100000 USD. I long for the day that I can tell my employer good bye. Grin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPrSVkTRb24

No Moon

20K crap

my coins are easily worth over a million each

have to sell when you have to sell though.


When we can collectively devalue fiat dollars as far as we can go, bitcoin will be easily over 1 million.

No-one can stop the btc train

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Queen
The Invisible man (1996)
..."
I'm the invisible man
I'm the invisible man
Incredible how you can
See right through me
I'm the invisible man
I'm the invisible man
It's criminal how I can
See right through you

I'm in your room
And I'm in your bed
And I'm in your life
And I'm in your head
Like the CIA
Or the FBI
You'll never get close
Never take me alive

I'm the invisible man
I'm the invisible man
Incredible how you can
See right through me
I'm the invisible man
I'm the invisible man
It's criminal how I can
See right through you
"...


Not anymore we see all.


By omission or allegiance they expose their hand.
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I'm predicting lots of rocket pictures soon
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I'm predicting lots of rocket pictures soon

In which direction?  Grin
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Gold is isolated from direct factors of economic growth but silver is an industrial metal

Gold is an industrial metal too. It is inside of almost every electronic device there is.

Yep but modern manufacturing doesnt require alot of gold apparently, its become far less though I should look for a source.

Heres a couple of pie charts, showing how silver is almost like an oppisite in its industrial emphasis.   In a way its good to have solid uses but also it provides interference to the price when recession occurs




We're back above the MA blue line for BTC momentum, its flat but generally seems constructive with higher lows.   Sideways after a fall can surprise some by effectively being a positive I find, still hear people being negative when its not going down. 
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but we did go to the moon right?
i mean 20K is not bad right?

No, it wasn't too bad. It allowed for many people to finally gain some form of financial independence. However, minnows like me need it to go to $100000 USD. I long for the day that I can tell my employer good bye. Grin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPrSVkTRb24

No Moon

20K crap

my coins are easily worth over a million each

have to sell when you have to sell though.


When we can collectively devalue fiat dollars as far as we can go, bitcoin will be easily over 1 million.

No-one can stop the btc train

CCMF

Personally, I believe that it is NOT wise to play "all or nothing" strategies with your bitcoin investment, even if you have a strong conviction that each BTC is worth $1million.  It is much safer to cash out of your BTC incrementally on the way up, and to play it safe, rather than to stick with your convictions that BTC is going to be priced at $1million and perhaps end up either losing too much of your investment, or your psychology or panic selling on the way down rather than on the way up.  

I think that incremental selling of small amounts of BTC on the way up is better than betting too much on too high and remaining filled with hopium rather than practicalities.  

Let me provide an illustration.

Hypothetically, let's say that you have about 10 BTC that you acquired at the current price at around $7,500 (which would be a $75k investment), and you are generally bullish about the long term prospects of bitcoin while remaining somewhat skittish and skeptical about whether upwards BTC price movements are going to be sustainable.

You can decide whatever formula that you like for cashing out of your BTC in an incremental manner, but hypothetically, if you chose to cash out 5% of your BTC for every 50% that BTC prices go up, then you would be doing pretty good at various price points.

It would play out something like this:

With BTC at $25k you would still have 9.025BTC worth about $228k and $25k in cash.

With BTC at $57k you would still have 8.14BTC worth about $464k and $64k in cash.

With BTC at $85k you would still have 7.7BTC worth about $661k and $97.5k in cash.

With BTC at $128k you would still have 7.35BTC worth about $942k and $144k in cash.

With BTC at $288k you would still have 6.63BTC worth about $1.9million and $307k in cash.

With BTC at $432k you would still have 6.3BTC worth about $2.7million and $444k in cash.

With BTC at $973k you would still have 5.69BTC worth about $5.5million and $914k in cash.

The above sets of numbers assume that you do nothing else with your BTC investment, except for cash out 5% of your BTC value at the various BTC price points of 50% BTC price appreciation each time; however, you could be more active and reinvest some or all of your cashed out money on likely inevitable BTC price dips or you could choose differing increments to lock in your BTC profits... for example taking out 1% for every 10% BTC price increase.  

More frequent profit taking will not decrease the amounts of your profits dramatically while it provides some peace of mind to pull out BTC profits more regularly and sooner (rather than waiting for what might not happen).  You can play around with variations of incrementalism up the BTC price ladder in order to figure out a comfortable increment that works for you on a personal level.. rather than holding out for $1million per BTC.. which might not happen before you are dead (hate to be so morbid, but that is the truth of the matter).

The main point that I am attempting to make is to suggest that each of us should make a plan that is good for ourselves, and tweak our plans in such a way that is good for ourselves and still a reasonable plan that helps us to enjoy our BTC profits on the way UP (which BTC continues to seem to have decent chances of continuing to go UP, and having a plan will help each of us to deal with such UPPITY BTC prices at price points that each of us predetermine and can tweak at our own complete and full discretion).

Edit:  By the way, I understand that each of us might not be able to buy 10BTC at $7,500 or have that kind of BTC investment starting point, but each of us can surely work a similar formula with smaller BTC investment amounts and also continue to invest into BTC in order to attempt to reach our goals (employing dollar cost averaging), without gambling too much of our assets in order to attempt to achieve our goals (or to defeat our purposes by gambling and losing)
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June 06, 2018, 12:14:21 AM

I'm predicting lots of rocket pictures soon

In which direction?  Grin

What like this?



I hope it's not that kind of rocket.
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Is John Mcafee insane?
https://imgur.com/a/hX1LnA8

You check his twitter feed lately?
All his tweets are about crypto coins/morphing his head on other people and running for the POTUS.. again. Roll Eyes
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bitcoin just had a 14.7% difficulty change upwards. that's the biggest since january. there sure is a lot of firepower out there somewhere.

The difficulty increased by 634 billion which is the largest increase in the history of bitcoin. The increase in this period alone is nearly equal to the entire network difficulty 1 year ago.

It probably has something to do with this:

https://adclair.com/gmo-introduced-a-new-miner-that-will-take-the-market-from-bitmane/
https://twitter.com/ynakamura56/status/1003908868114509824


Or this:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3359468.20;topicseen (S11's)


Bitcoin has become a war

Yeah, it became a war about 7 years ago.
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What like this?

https://fat.gfycat.com/WeightyTautDeinonychus.gif

I hope it's not that kind of rocket.
Ohh hell no no no...!!!
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but we did go to the moon right?
i mean 20K is not bad right?

No, it wasn't too bad. It allowed for many people to finally gain some form of financial independence. However, minnows like me need it to go to $100000 USD. I long for the day that I can tell my employer good bye. Grin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPrSVkTRb24

No Moon

20K crap

my coins are easily worth over a million each

have to sell when you have to sell though.


When we can collectively devalue fiat dollars as far as we can go, bitcoin will be easily over 1 million.

No-one can stop the btc train

CCMF

Personally, I believe that it is not wise to play "all or nothing" with your bitcoins, even if you have a strong conviction that BTC is worth $1million each.  It is much safer to cash out of your BTC incrementally, and to play it safe, rather than to stick with your convictions that BTC is going to be priced at $1million and perhaps end up either losing too much of your investment, or your psychology or selling on the way down rather than on the way up.  

I think that incremental selling of small amounts of BTC on the way up is better than betting too much on too high.  Let me provide an illustration.

Hypothetically, let's say that you have about 10 BTC that you acquired at the current price at around $7,500 (which would be a $75k investment), and you are generally bullish about the long term prospects of bitcoin while remaining somewhat skittish and skeptical about whether upwards BTC price movements are going to be sustainable.

You can decide whatever formula that you like for cashing out of your BTC in an incremental manner, but hypothetically, if you chose to cash out 5% of your BTC for every 50% that BTC prices go up, then you would be doing pretty good at various price points.

It would play out something like this:

With BTC at $25k you would still have 9.025BTC worth about $228k and $25k in cash.

With BTC at $57k you would still have 8.14BTC worth about $464k and $64k in cash.

With BTC at $85k you would still have 7.7BTC worth about $661k and $97.5k in cash.

With BTC at $128k you would still have 7.35BTC worth about $942k and $144k in cash.

With BTC at $288k you would still have 6.63BTC worth about $1.9million and $307k in cash.

With BTC at $432k you would still have 6.3BTC worth about $2.7million and $444k in cash.

With BTC at $973k you would still have 5.69BTC worth about $5.5million and $914k in cash.

The above sets of numbers assume that you do nothing else with your BTC investment, except for cash out 5% of your BTC value at the various BTC price points of 50% BTC price appreciation each time; however, you could be more active and reinvest some or all of your cashed out money on likely inevitable BTC price dips or you could choose differing increments to lock in your BTC profits... for example taking out 1% for every 10% BTC price increase.  

More frequent profit taking will not decrease the amounts of your profits dramatically while it provides some peace of mind to pull out BTC profits more regularly and sooner (rather than waiting for what might not happen).  You can play around with variations of incrementalism up the BTC price ladder in order to figure out a comfortable increment that works for you on a personal level.. rather than holding out for $1million per BTC.. which might not happen before you are dead (hate to be so morbid, but that is the truth of the matter).

The main point that I am attempting to make is to suggest that each of us should make a plan that is good for ourselves, and tweak our plans in such a way that is good for ourselves and still a reasonable plan that helps us to enjoy our BTC profits on the way UP (which BTC continues to seem to have decent chances of continuing to go UP, and having a plan will help each of us to deal with such UPPITY BTC prices at price points that each of us predetermine and can tweak at our own complete and full discretion).

Edit:  By the way, I understand that each of us might not be able to buy 10BTC at $7,500 or have that kind of BTC investment starting point, but each of us can surely work a similar formula with smaller BTC investment amounts and also continue to invest into BTC in order to attempt to reach our goals (employing dollar cost averaging), without gambling too much of our assets in order to attempt to achieve our goals (or to defeat our purposes by gambling and losing)

That sounds similar to the Bitcoin Savings Plan
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Actually, that is a nice link infofront.  The investment and cashing out strategy looks to be fairly similar to mine - except for that strategy seems to cash out 10% for every 100% price rise.  My above example uses a similar proportion of cashing out 5% for every 50% price rise.  Further, if you know that in late 2013 Rpietila had a BTCtalk thread on the topic too, and Rpietila was suggesting to cash out 10% for every 100% price rise.

In about 2014/2015 I constructed a similar strategy to rpietila; however, I did not want to wait for BTC prices to double before cashing out 10%, so I played around with much smaller variations that are similar in their proportions, and I tend to play around with cashing out 1% for every 10% rise in price and I even play in smaller increments, too while keeping the cashing out proportions approximately the same or sometimes playing around a bit with the proportions if I am in more of a gambling mood.    I believe that there were periods of time that I was cashing out higher proportions of BTC because I already realized that there was a pretty damned high likelihood that I would be using all or part of the cashed out money to buy back in, so I did not mind cashing out a bit more in order to attempt to more or less maintain a 10/1 ratio by accounting for my anticipated buying back.

It is true that some peeps are going to be comfortable to wait for 100% price rises before cashing out, but I think that such expectations can become a bit difficult to put into practice because for some other peeps it is going to be difficult to wait that amount of a BTC price appreciation before cashing out.. especially when peeps are already scared that BTC prices are going to reverse back down.  

My personal approach has been to use such an incremental cashing out strategy to reinvest decent portions of what I had cashed out in order to buy back into BTC with dips.  So far, I have found that even with reinvesting part of the value that I have cashed out, my incremental cashing out and reinvesting strategy tends to generate a decent amount of cashed out fiat (and perhaps my feeling even excessive amounts of fiat) in order for me to feel personally comfortable that I have plenty of fiat to work with to buy more BTC on dips or just to walk away with that fiat in the event that I chose not to reinvest it.   On the other side of the coin, I also feel comfortable with the amount of BTC that I am retaining in my holdings because I will always have a moderate amount and I am never cashing out more than a certain proportion that I had previously established as acceptable for me (which in my full and complete discretion, I can re-think the matter and change those amounts and increments at any time too).
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I will concede that perhaps I am a bit resentful of profits made by others during this kind of seemingly low volatility

And you castigated me for setting my interval at 'such a low value' (i.e., less than the interval you chose). Well, you reap what you sow.
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Actually, that is a nice link infofront.  The investment and cashing out strategy looks to be fairly similar to mine - except for that strategy seems to cash out 10% for every 100% price rise.  My above example uses a similar proportion of cashing out 5% for every 50% price rise.  Further, if you know that in late 2013 Rpietila had a BTCtalk thread on the topic too, and Rpietila was suggesting to cash out 10% for every 100% price rise.

In about 2014/2015 I constructed a similar strategy to rpietila; however, I did not want to wait for BTC prices to double before cashing out 10%, so I played around with much smaller variations that are similar in their proportions, and I tend to play around with cashing out 1% for every 10% rise in price and I even play in smaller increments, too while keeping the cashing out proportions approximately the same or sometimes playing around a bit with the proportions if I am in more of a gambling mood.    I believe that there were periods of time that I was cashing out higher proportions of BTC because I already realized that there was a pretty damned high likelihood that I would be using all or part of the cashed out money to buy back in, so I did not mind cashing out a bit more in order to attempt to more or less maintain a 10/1 ratio by accounting for my anticipated buying back.

It is true that some peeps are going to be comfortable to wait for 100% price rises before cashing out, but I think that such expectations can become a bit difficult to put into practice because for some other peeps it is going to be difficult to wait that amount of a BTC price appreciation before cashing out.. especially when peeps are already scared that BTC prices are going to reverse back down.  

My personal approach has been to use such an incremental cashing out strategy to reinvest decent portions of what I had cashed out in order to buy back into BTC with dips.  So far, I have found that even with reinvesting part of the value that I have cashed out, my incremental cashing out and reinvesting strategy tends to generate a decent amount of cashed out fiat (and perhaps my feeling even excessive amounts of fiat) in order for me to feel personally comfortable that I have plenty of fiat to work with to buy more BTC on dips or just to walk away with that fiat in the event that I chose not to reinvest it.   On the other side of the coin, I also feel comfortable with the amount of BTC that I am retaining in my holdings because I will always have a moderate amount and I am never cashing out more than a certain proportion that I had previously established as acceptable for me (which in my full and complete discretion, I can re-think the matter and change those amounts and increments at any time too).

Yeah that website was based on Rpietila's strategy. He came up with that when we nearly hit $1,200, if memory serves me right. He was having a manic episode and was likely too aggressive with his pricing predictions.

Your plan actually makes more sense.
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