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November 21, 2018, 12:56:02 AM




what if the real manipulation was not on USDT exchanges?

A Bullish Crab is close to forming on all the tether exchanges.  Makes me wonder a little bit, why do we trust the non tether exchanges, they can manipulate just as easy?  Maybe the tether exchanges are more close to an honest price.  

Or am i not understanding something?

My post will allow your earlier linked image to be seen (above )
(Edit - although Ludwig Von beat me to it.. hahahahaha).

Maybe you should explain a bit more about what you are getting at, exactly, because for several months there had been decent BTC price variance (premium) on USD tether based exchanges ranging between $50 and $250.   Currently that premium is in the $200 area, but a day or two ago it had gotten below $100 for a while.. so I still don't seem to understand your point, exactly?    

How much do we really care about "true" BTC price anyhow?   We have some folks taking advantage of arbitrage opportunities, and we have FUD thrown around about tether, and surely the introduction of "stable coins" is not going to really resolve any of this any time soon, is it?  

Surely, an additional factor is that a lot of folks tend to use Bitstamp as our price reference point for other reasons as well, including that bitstamp does not engaged in margin trading...

sorry for my english.  i am happy you chose the example of bitstamp.

I try to explain harmonic patterns appear on USDT exchanges much more regularly than on a place similar to bitstamp.additionally bitstamp is lower price than a bitcoin live sell exchance such as cex.io.  how can this be?  if harmonics are the purest form of Fibonacci numbers in trading then this suggests that tether trades fit a more natural organic pattern. 

bitstamp for my experice is a good example.  it is higher in bull times, and lower in bear times, suggesting the manipulation is there not with usdt.    When harmonic patterns show on tether echanges, especaily bitstamp will behave almost opersite to the expected result of fibbonacci harmonic patterns.  this is why the price flutuates between supposed usd and usdt, and additionally why bitstamp is lower than cex.io. 

I believe that bitstamp especally is price manipulating, either a alorthim program, the exchange or one or many traders.   you can also see the bitstam orderbook is not behaving normally.
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JJG doesn’t write posts. He sits and yells into a text to speech microphone. No one would ever type that much without being forced (like in school).
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No need to become so defensive, micteamate(s), merely because I got you pegged.

There are plenty of forum members who actually believe your online persona storyline, so who gives a shit what I have tentatively concluded through already presented information?
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November 21, 2018, 01:04:35 AM

The biggest catalyst that'd make BTC price skyrocket higher is simply move all your BTC to your PERSONAL bitcoin wallet (move off of Coinbase, Binance, Bitfinex, Square, Robinhood, CBOE/CME futures).

Fractional reserve, BTC lending, rehypothication is a bitch and can perpetually create no floor for prices by establishment market manipulators.

Plus if history is any indication, one these avenues will blow up and wreck the "holders" of bitcoin that really wasn't there because they failed to take such advice.

Take it off the exchanges and see what happens.


Underrated post.


Agreed!

Thank you both.
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November 21, 2018, 01:05:42 AM

JJG doesn’t write posts. He sits and yells into a text to speech microphone. No one would ever type that much without being forced (like in school).

LOL
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November 21, 2018, 01:06:08 AM

The biggest catalyst that'd make BTC price skyrocket higher is simply move all your BTC to your PERSONAL bitcoin wallet (move off of Coinbase, Binance, Bitfinex, Square, Robinhood, CBOE/CME futures).

Fractional reserve, BTC lending, rehypothication is a bitch and can perpetually create no floor for prices by establishment market manipulators.

Plus if history is any indication, one these avenues will blow up and wreck the "holders" of bitcoin that really wasn't there because they failed to take such advice.

Take it off the exchanges and see what happens.


Underrated post.

Overrated post because he doesn't understand how bitcoin functions.  Bitcoin is like the "cloud computing" scam.  You see ads all the time hyping this bullshit term "the cloud".  Hello goyim, upload all of your information to the magical cloud!  In reality, there is no "cloud".  The "cloud" just means uploading your shit to a computer you don't own or control.  

Bitcoin is literally cloud banking.  There is no possible way to take possession of your shitcoins whether you have the private key or not.  The coins rest permanently in a virtual cloud with built-in middlemen and counterparty risk.  You have to bribe centralized miners with ransom fees and ask them permission if you ever want to attempt to do anything with one of the coins.  There is no way to remove the counterparties from your life.  It's a permissioned ledger with non-fungible tokens where you can be blacklisted at any time.

Why would anyone use "cloud banking" when you can be your own bank with physical silver or gold instead?  You are definitely NOT being your own bank with shitcoins. You're enlisting to have your life controlled by a bunch of 3rd parties you have no say over.

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November 21, 2018, 01:10:02 AM

JJG doesn’t write posts. He sits and yells into a text to speech microphone. No one would ever type that much without being forced (like in school).

I write every single one of my posts.

One thing, so far, is that i have not been accused of plagerism... hahahahahahaha.. because almost every little word that I type flows through my fingertips.... believe it or not?

Hey QA... since I got you on the line.. I seem to recall that I was pissed off at you for a certain amount of time around December 2015 because you were bragging in the thread and proclaiming to sell a decently large stash of your BTC for christmas shopping.. something like that.. so I recall that presentation from you as being an irritating set of interactions and circumstances because it seemed to be a kind of rubbing in, and even encouraging BTC sales at an inopportune time.  Like gloating.   Tongue Tongue

 Am I remembering correctly or was that a different year or perhaps a different forum member?  Could have been 2014 or even 2016.. but for some reason I seem to recall the situation as 2015.
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November 21, 2018, 01:16:47 AM

JJG doesn’t write posts. He sits and yells into a text to speech microphone. No one would ever type that much without being forced (like in school).

I write every single one of my posts.

One thing, so far, is that i have not been accused of plagerism... hahahahahahaha.. because almost every little word that I type flows through my fingertips.... believe it or not?

Hey QA... since I got you on the line.. I seem to recall that I was pissed off at you for a certain amount of time around December 2015 because you were bragging in the thread and proclaiming to sell a decently large stash of your BTC for christmas shopping.. something like that.. so I recall that presentation from you as being an irritating set of interactions and circumstances because it seemed to be a kind of rubbing in, and even encouraging BTC sales at an inopportune time.  Like gloating.   Tongue Tongue

 Am I remembering correctly or was that a different year or perhaps a different forum member?  Could have been 2014 or even 2016.. but for some reason I seem to recall the situation as 2015.

Woah!

So atleast it sounds like QA change his tune? I'm guessing?

This market is so painful btw.
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JJG doesn’t write posts. He sits and yells into a text to speech microphone. No one would ever type that much without being forced (like in school).
I used to, but I've changed my habits for the sake of readers. Now I just extrapolate if asked to and stay as brief as possible otherwise. Some 10 years ago long comments/posts were much more appreciated, but times have changed I guess.

Typing up such posts takes a minute or so when you type some ~150 words per minute by the way, so it doesn't really matter for the writer.
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For those not very familiar with mining costs, here is an excellent write up from an expert.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5063475.msg48085010#msg48085010

In US, typical (not in Cali) residential price is around 10c/kwh.

TL;DR

10c/kwh breakeven mining at $6414/btc
7c/kwh breakeven mining at $4489/btc
5c/kwh breakeven mining at $3207/btc...mostly industrial sites have this cost, unless you are living close to a hydro dam where some residents could have this and even lower.
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For those not very familiar with mining costs, here is an excellent write up from an expert.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5063475.msg48085010#msg48085010

In US, typical (not in Cali) residential price is around 10c/kwh.

TL;DR

10c/kwh breakeven mining at $6414/btc
7c/kwh breakeven mining at $4489/btc
5c/kwh breakeven mining at $3207/btc...motsly industrial site have this cost, unless you are living close to a hydro dam.

Doesn't Canada have 7c and less for residents with fluid pricing contracts?
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For those not very familiar with mining costs, here is an excellent write up from an expert.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5063475.msg48085010#msg48085010

In US, typical (not in Cali) residential price is around 10c/kwh.

TL;DR

10c/kwh breakeven mining at $6414/btc
7c/kwh breakeven mining at $4489/btc
5c/kwh breakeven mining at $3207/btc...motsly industrial site have this cost, unless you are living close to a hydro dam.

Doesn't Canada have 7c and less for residents with fluid pricing contracts?

Perhaps, typically Canada has lower electricity price than US, hence a lot of btc miners there.
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November 21, 2018, 01:31:53 AM

JJG doesn’t write posts. He sits and yells into a text to speech microphone. No one would ever type that much without being forced (like in school).

I write every single one of my posts.

One thing, so far, is that i have not been accused of plagerism... hahahahahahaha.. because almost every little word that I type flows through my fingertips.... believe it or not?

Hey QA... since I got you on the line.. I seem to recall that I was pissed off at you for a certain amount of time around December 2015 because you were bragging in the thread and proclaiming to sell a decently large stash of your BTC for christmas shopping.. something like that.. so I recall that presentation from you as being an irritating set of interactions and circumstances because it seemed to be a kind of rubbing in, and even encouraging BTC sales at an inopportune time.  Like gloating.   Tongue Tongue

 Am I remembering correctly or was that a different year or perhaps a different forum member?  Could have been 2014 or even 2016.. but for some reason I seem to recall the situation as 2015.

Woah!

So atleast it sounds like QA change his tune? I'm guessing?

This market is so painful btw.

No.  I think that he is largely the same... which means that it is likely that his account has not been SODLed nor compromised... hahahahaha

I can still read such variations of quasi-subdued gloating in his posts that leaks out of the post seams, every once in a while.. .. at least attempting to read the overall contents and tone...   

Nonetheless, I do have to say that I did appreciate some of his relatively recent efforts to screen bitcoin maximalists, and to send smerits to largely bitcoin maximalists rather than shit coin pumpers, but I think that he had given up on that angle as long as he could figure out other means of contribution.. I suppose that he could probably elaborate, if he were to conclude that such topic were worthy of any response from his highness.  hahahahahhaha
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November 21, 2018, 01:38:06 AM


Dozens of tiny drivers? We used to think that Bose 801's made good PA too - back in the day.

(Truth be told, I've not heard the PJ's. But in my experience, plentiful bass requires surface area.)

dude, "there is no replacement...for displacement" used to be my mantra

I was agog when I heard that little thing, genuinely shocked.
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November 21, 2018, 01:44:19 AM

Jojo just keep that F***ing Smiley face next to your name!
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I thought what I'd do was, I'd pretend I was one of those deaf-mutes.
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November 21, 2018, 01:47:29 AM

JJG doesn’t write posts. He sits and yells into a text to speech microphone. No one would ever type that much without being forced (like in school).

I write every single one of my posts.

One thing, so far, is that i have not been accused of plagerism... hahahahahahaha.. because almost every little word that I type flows through my fingertips.... believe it or not?

Hey QA... since I got you on the line.. I seem to recall that I was pissed off at you for a certain amount of time around December 2015 because you were bragging in the thread and proclaiming to sell a decently large stash of your BTC for christmas shopping.. something like that.. so I recall that presentation from you as being an irritating set of interactions and circumstances because it seemed to be a kind of rubbing in, and even encouraging BTC sales at an inopportune time.  Like gloating.   Tongue Tongue

 Am I remembering correctly or was that a different year or perhaps a different forum member?  Could have been 2014 or even 2016.. but for some reason I seem to recall the situation as 2015.

Woah!

So atleast it sounds like QA change his tune? I'm guessing?

This market is so painful btw.

No.  I think that he is largely the same... which means that it is likely that his account has not been SODLed nor compromised... hahahahaha

I can still read such variations of quasi-subdued gloating in his posts that leaks out of the post seams, every once in a while.. .. at least attempting to read the overall contents and tone...   

Nonetheless, I do have to say that I did appreciate some of his relatively recent efforts to screen bitcoin maximalists, and to send smerits to largely bitcoin maximalists rather than shit coin pumpers, but I think that he had given up on that angle as long as he could figure out other means of contribution.. I suppose that he could probably elaborate, if he were to conclude that such topic were worthy of any response from his highness.  hahahahahhaha

You may have a point - he didn't even give me smerit for the post which he 'agreed' being underrated
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November 21, 2018, 01:54:36 AM

The biggest catalyst that'd make BTC price skyrocket higher is simply move all your BTC to your PERSONAL bitcoin wallet (move off of Coinbase, Binance, Bitfinex, Square, Robinhood, CBOE/CME futures).

Fractional reserve, BTC lending, rehypothication is a bitch and can perpetually create no floor for prices by establishment market manipulators.

Plus if history is any indication, one these avenues will blow up and wreck the "holders" of bitcoin that really wasn't there because they failed to take such advice.

Take it off the exchanges and see what happens.


Underrated post.


Agreed!

Thank you both.

That's exactly what  I did.  Now to fund a new round and when that position is complete, the same will happen.
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1h fibs
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November 21, 2018, 02:08:05 AM

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you are a fucking freak dude
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Can someone point me to historical drawdowns table for BTC (ie 2013, 2015, including updates with Nov '18 action)??
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