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Question: Closing BTC Price June 28:
$0 - 5 (3.3%)
<$7,000 - 4 (2.6%)
$7,000-$7,499 - 0 (0%)
$7,500-$7,999 - 0 (0%)
$8,000-$8,499 - 1 (0.7%)
$8,500-$8,999 - 3 (2%)
$9,000-$9,499 - 4 (2.6%)
$9,500-$9,999 - 26 (17.1%)
$10,000-$10,499 - 24 (15.8%)
$10,500-10,999 - 12 (7.9%)
$11,000-$11,499 - 14 (9.2%)
$11,500-$12,000 - 14 (9.2%)
>$12,000 - 32 (21.1%)
>$20,000 - 13 (8.6%)
Total Voters: 152

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March 14, 2019, 04:56:45 AM

Relevance to my observation that dishonest and dishonorable opponents are once again using falsehoods to try to taint a coin by association? None.

Your relentless defensiveness and apologism for creepy people and aspects of things you have no influence over is really bleedin' weird.

It is not a defense of people. It is in defense of my preferred blockchain. Are you so dull as to not see that? (I rather doubt it). Are you going to tell me that the intent of the post to which I replied was not to besmirch SV? Ayre is not SV, and SV is not Ayre. Ayre is neither the CEO of BSV. Such is a lie. Why do you defend a lie? Defense of lies is reprehensible. Defense of the truth is not. Casting aspersions upon those defending the truth is 'creepy'. Not to mention reprehensible.

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You do know it's about to go ripping up?

We could have made 0.1% by now
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Drunk thought of the day - what if this time around the buyers were forced to capitulate! Oh shit - it keeps going up from that not-a-capitulation low!!!

Your phrasing of such hypothetical is confusing because it seems to use the wrong terms. 

First of all, you cannot force capitulation, even though capitulation may have more than one meaning.  There is a traditional meaning of capitulation that would be that a person capitulates by selling all of his coins. 

Or there is a kind of bitcoin capitulation which seems to be what bitserve is doing, which is a kind of psychological capitulation.  He is not selling his coin, but he is not taking any other further action either, such as buying more bitcoins, making plans to buy bitcoins or making bullish moon/lambo plans.

I hate to suggest that bitserve's strategy is normal; however, there seems to be a kind of phenomenon in bitcoin that involves the presence of a decent amount of HODLers of last resort.  We don't exactly know what that number of HODLers is nor the quantity of coins that they HODL or the BTC price that would cause only the HODLers of last resort to remain, which would then leave no option for the BTC price to go up, once all of the non HODLers of last resort are weeded out.   

You, Dogboy714, seem to be suggesting a totally different scenario, in which bearwhales might unsuccessfully engage in a tactic to attempt to force the BTC price down more and more to cause capitulation, but they are unsuccessful in their attempt to weed out additional weak hands and the BTC price goes in the opposite direction, which is UP.  This kind of scenario that you are proposing has happened quite a lot in BTC's history, and at some point it is likely to happen again.  It remains unclear who gets rekt in these kinds of scenarios besides traders playing around with margin that gets called or no coiners who refuse, refuse and refuse to buy until BTC prices have gone up a considerable degree and causes them to buy way higher than they should have.. and contributes to a kind of FOMO dynamic in BTC's price rise and also losses (at least on paper) when the BTC price subsequently crashes after the exuberance wears off (which is far from clear at what price point the price reversal would take place to correct from the previous exuberance).
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Boring!!!!!!!!  Such an old talking-point.  Can't they be, at least, a little bit more creative and come up with something half-way new and interesting?
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Relevance to my observation that dishonest and dishonorable opponents are once again using falsehoods to try to taint a coin by association? None.

Your relentless defensiveness and apologism for creepy people and aspects of things you have no influence over is really bleedin' weird.

It is not a defense of people. It is in defense of my preferred blockchain. Are you so dull as to not see that? (I rather doubt it). Are you going to tell me that the intent of the post to which I replied was not to besmirch SV? Ayre is not SV, and SV is not Ayre. Ayre is neither the CEO of BSV. Such is a lie. Why do you defend a lie? Defense of lies is reprehensible. Defense of the truth is not. Casting aspersions upon those defending the truth is 'creepy'. Not to mention reprehensible.

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It appears to me that some people in this thread are projecting a little too much.

JBreher seems to me to be one of the few people in here who can have arguments without getting emotional. I certainly don't agree with him on the BTC vs BSV matter, and likely on many other issues. But he sure seems like a person that is worth talking to, as he's clearly capable of keeping an open mind without acting as if - or even worse, believing that - everybody who brings up points he doesn't like is his enemy.
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You do know it's about to go ripping up?

We could have made 0.1% by now
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You do know it's about to go ripping up?

We could have made 0.1% by now

Dont worry..there is a possibility we A) have already done this or B) get a chance to do it all again. Conjugation, Booleans, Hamiltonians and Symmetry oh my...

Arrow of Time and its Reversal on IBM Quantum Computer.
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1712.10057.pdf

Sheeit, you kids think you got problems now with block sizes, bandwidth and data migration...just wait until we have to store and reconstruct temporal timelines.
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Boring!!!!!!!!  Such an old talking-point.  Can't they be, at least, a little bit more creative and come up with something half-way new and interesting?
If they could they wouldn't have to use misinformation tactics in their attempt of maintaining power. Smiley
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Relevance to my observation that dishonest and dishonorable opponents are once again using falsehoods to try to taint a coin by association? None.

Your relentless defensiveness and apologism for creepy people and aspects of things you have no influence over is really bleedin' weird.

It is not a defense of people. It is in defense of my preferred blockchain. Are you so dull as to not see that? (I rather doubt it). Are you going to tell me that the intent of the post to which I replied was not to besmirch SV? Ayre is not SV, and SV is not Ayre. Ayre is neither the CEO of BSV. Such is a lie. Why do you defend a lie? Defense of lies is reprehensible. Defense of the truth is not. Casting aspersions upon those defending the truth is 'creepy'. Not to mention reprehensible.

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Hahahahahahahaha...

Whether we are referring to the Calvin Ayer picture, or just suggesting that Ayer is attempting to proclaim to be the CEO of BSV, jbreher is frequently on a tear and more than willing to run to the defense and support almost any and all of the behaviors of any scammer that supports BIGBLOCKER ideations.  A kind of BIGBLOCKER purism.

By the way, a couple more points:  1) I am with infofront regarding what seems to be too many inferences being presumed from some pictures, and I suppose that there is a bit of bad taste from Ayer to be publicize such pattern of behavior and potentially misleading and inflammatory pictures with young girls in sexually explicit poses (or even suggestions of such) 2) I understand that Ayer likely never proclaimed to be the CEO of BSV like Ricky Falconwings had claimed to be the CEO of bcash, as Hairyberry already pointed out.  Nonetheless, who really gives a ratt's ass about some of the details involving various bcasher pumpers, whether we are talking about Ayer, or Ver, or CSW, or JiHan, or a few of their other scammy and scummy small number of team members participating in those various bcash scam/scum projects?
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Yes, Sue was my original avatar before the mutant fish. She's my kind of gal. You just can't go wrong with Sue. Thanks again xhomerx10!! Smiley

I want to know more about this Sue gal.  I may be missing one of the secrets of a possibly more content existence, especially if I don't know about sue, beyond Johnny Cash having had written a song that had such resentment towards such name for a boy.
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Relevance to my observation that dishonest and dishonorable opponents are once again using falsehoods to try to taint a coin by association? None.

Your relentless defensiveness and apologism for creepy people and aspects of things you have no influence over is really bleedin' weird.

It is not a defense of people. It is in defense of my preferred blockchain. Are you so dull as to not see that? (I rather doubt it). Are you going to tell me that the intent of the post to which I replied was not to besmirch SV? Ayre is not SV, and SV is not Ayre. Ayre is neither the CEO of BSV. Such is a lie. Why do you defend a lie? Defense of lies is reprehensible. Defense of the truth is not. Casting aspersions upon those defending the truth is 'creepy'. Not to mention reprehensible.

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It appears to me that some people in this thread are projecting a little too much.

JBreher seems to me to be one of the few people in here who can have arguments without getting emotional. I certainly don't agree with him on the BTC vs BSV matter, and likely on many other issues. But he sure seems like a person that is worth talking to, as he's clearly capable of keeping an open mind without acting as if - or even worse, believing that - everybody who brings up points he doesn't like is his enemy.

So fucking what?  In 2014/15 Jstolfi participated in this thread a lot too, and he had good manners too, and he really did not deserve to be defended for his purported reasonable and trollish arguments against bitcoin.

Yeah, fair enough that jbreher does not devolve into too much emotions, but he is surely fair game for attack.. especially his ideas and approach that frequently could mislead folks. 

I will concede that every once in a while jbreher makes some decent points regarding investment style, planning and tactics and even sometimes (rarely) conceding that some bcash dynamics are not really going as well as anticipated, but he also is more than fair game - largely for his ideas, not whether he is a good person or not.... Actually, I will also concede that I would rather sit down and argue with him over a beer regarding his dumb ideas than some other members who might be pro-bitcoin, yet unable to control their emotions or to control when their ideas get attacked... so that is definitely a sign of jbreher's maturity in that regard (even if he might be a grandpa bot with bad circuits).. but again, his stupid ass ideas of defending bcash and BIG BLOCKERS are more than fair game as a constant justification to denigrate him, rather than putting him on a pedestal.    Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Yes, Sue was my original avatar before the mutant fish. She's my kind of gal. You just can't go wrong with Sue. Thanks again xhomerx10!! Smiley

I want to know more about this Sue gal.  I may be missing one of the secrets of a possibly more content existence, especially if I don't know about sue, beyond Johnny Cash having had written a song that had such resentment towards such name for a boy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sue_(dinosaur)
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altcoins will disappear, there will be only BTC and BCH as a large block addition

bch will disappear too if bitcoin makes a big block
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Yes, Sue was my original avatar before the mutant fish. She's my kind of gal. You just can't go wrong with Sue. Thanks again xhomerx10!! Smiley

I want to know more about this Sue gal.  I may be missing one of the secrets of a possibly more content existence, especially if I don't know about sue, beyond Johnny Cash having had written a song that had such resentment towards such name for a boy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sue_(dinosaur)

Oh?  So, with the new hat, Homer was bringing you back to some variation of your original avatar? 
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Dont worry..there is a possibility we A) have already done this or B) get a chance to do it all again. Conjugation, Booleans, Hamiltonians and Symmetry oh my...

Arrow of Time and its Reversal on IBM Quantum Computer.
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1712.10057.pdf

Sheeit, you kids think you got problems now with block sizes, bandwidth and data migration...just wait until we have to store and reconstruct temporal timelines.


I see your "five" and raise you "ten": "there is no single objective reality"
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/613092/a-quantum-experiment-suggests-theres-no-such-thing-as-objective-reality/

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They use these six entangled photons to create two alternate realities—one representing Wigner and one representing Wigner’s friend. Wigner’s friend measures the polarization of a photon and stores the result. Wigner then performs an interference measurement to determine if the measurement and the photon are in a superposition.

The experiment produces an unambiguous result. It turns out that both realities can coexist even though they produce irreconcilable outcomes, just as Wigner predicted.


Could be used in an argument with a spouse/gf? ....Nah.
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Relevance to my observation that dishonest and dishonorable opponents are once again using falsehoods to try to taint a coin by association? None.

Your relentless defensiveness and apologism for creepy people and aspects of things you have no influence over is really bleedin' weird.

It is not a defense of people. It is in defense of my preferred blockchain. Are you so dull as to not see that? (I rather doubt it). Are you going to tell me that the intent of the post to which I replied was not to besmirch SV? Ayre is not SV, and SV is not Ayre. Ayre is neither the CEO of BSV. Such is a lie. Why do you defend a lie? Defense of lies is reprehensible. Defense of the truth is not. Casting aspersions upon those defending the truth is 'creepy'. Not to mention reprehensible.

Unintentionally appear to have hit a sore spot
It appears to me that some people in this thread are projecting a little too much.

JBreher seems to me to be one of the few people in here who can have arguments without getting emotional. I certainly don't agree with him on the BTC vs BSV matter, and likely on many other issues. But he sure seems like a person that is worth talking to, as he's clearly capable of keeping an open mind without acting as if - or even worse, believing that - everybody who brings up points he doesn't like is his enemy.

So fucking what?  In 2014/15 Jstolfi participated in this thread a lot too, and he had good manners too, and he really did not deserve to be defended for his purported reasonable and trollish arguments against bitcoin.

Yeah, fair enough that jbreher does not devolve into too much emotions, but he is surely fair game for attack.. especially his ideas and approach that frequently could mislead folks.  

I will concede that every once in a while jbreher makes some decent points regarding investment style, planning and tactics and even sometimes (rarely) conceding that some bcash dynamics are not really going as well as anticipated, but he also is more than fair game - largely for his ideas, not whether he is a good person or not.... Actually, I will also concede that I would rather sit down and argue with him over a beer regarding his dumb ideas than some other members who might be pro-bitcoin, yet unable to control their emotions or to control when their ideas get attacked... so that is definitely a sign of jbreher's maturity in that regard (even if he might be a grandpa bot with bad circuits).. but again, his stupid ass ideas of defending bcash and BIG BLOCKERS are more than fair game as a constant justification to denigrate him, rather than putting him on a pedestal.    Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

I'm not talking about manners here. I don't fucking care what kind of fucking language use or how you fucking act while presenting an argument. It's about people putting truth behind emotional horseshit and tribalism. But I suppose I might be in the minority when saying that truth should be the one thing humans should never compromise on, unless it is to literally save their lives. Although you appear to be in the same boat based on the fact that you seem to not rule out sitting down with JB over his opposing stances.
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Dont worry..there is a possibility we A) have already done this or B) get a chance to do it all again. Conjugation, Booleans, Hamiltonians and Symmetry oh my...

Arrow of Time and its Reversal on IBM Quantum Computer.
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1712.10057.pdf

Sheeit, you kids think you got problems now with block sizes, bandwidth and data migration...just wait until we have to store and reconstruct temporal timelines.


I see your "five" and raise you "ten": "there is no single objective reality"
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/613092/a-quantum-experiment-suggests-theres-no-such-thing-as-objective-reality/
Should be self-evident when looking at literally any conversation. Also what I have been saying for a long fucking time. Schools brainwash people into thinking there is such a thing as an "objective reality", when that is merely a useful tool or approach when looking for solutions.

Also why I keep nitpicking on virtually every topic, and certainly not because I want our wildlife to get wiped out as some twits here keep pretending.
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Dont worry..there is a possibility we A) have already done this or B) get a chance to do it all again. Conjugation, Booleans, Hamiltonians and Symmetry oh my...

Arrow of Time and its Reversal on IBM Quantum Computer.
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1712.10057.pdf

Sheeit, you kids think you got problems now with block sizes, bandwidth and data migration...just wait until we have to store and reconstruct temporal timelines.


I see your "five" and raise you "ten": "there is no single objective reality"
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/613092/a-quantum-experiment-suggests-theres-no-such-thing-as-objective-reality/

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They use these six entangled photons to create two alternate realities—one representing Wigner and one representing Wigner’s friend. Wigner’s friend measures the polarization of a photon and stores the result. Wigner then performs an interference measurement to determine if the measurement and the photon are in a superposition.

The experiment produces an unambiguous result. It turns out that both realities can coexist even though they produce irreconcilable outcomes, just as Wigner predicted.


Could be used in an argument with a spouse/gf? ....Nah.

Hah!  Indeed, its funny you brought this up...I was going to whip it out during that little spat I was having with btcmillionaire. I demand Wigner testing!
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Dont worry..there is a possibility we A) have already done this or B) get a chance to do it all again. Conjugation, Booleans, Hamiltonians and Symmetry oh my...

Arrow of Time and its Reversal on IBM Quantum Computer.
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1712.10057.pdf

Sheeit, you kids think you got problems now with block sizes, bandwidth and data migration...just wait until we have to store and reconstruct temporal timelines.


I see your "five" and raise you "ten": "there is no single objective reality"
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/613092/a-quantum-experiment-suggests-theres-no-such-thing-as-objective-reality/

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They use these six entangled photons to create two alternate realities—one representing Wigner and one representing Wigner’s friend. Wigner’s friend measures the polarization of a photon and stores the result. Wigner then performs an interference measurement to determine if the measurement and the photon are in a superposition.

The experiment produces an unambiguous result. It turns out that both realities can coexist even though they produce irreconcilable outcomes, just as Wigner predicted.


Could be used in an argument with a spouse/gf? ....Nah.

Hah!  Indeed, its funny you brought this up...I was going to whip it out during that little spat I was having with btcmillionaire. I demand Wigner testing!
You sure should bring that up. Because you act as if you found "the" truth by personally attacking me. I'm literally establishing that we don't have found any such thing and that we should keep looking for all aspects of the problem to better understand the situation.
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