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Question: Closing BTC Price June 17:
$0 - 2 (1.8%)
<$6,500 - 7 (6.1%)
$6,500-$6,750 - 1 (0.9%)
$6,751-$7,000 - 2 (1.8%)
$7,001-$7,250 - 3 (2.6%)
$7,251-$7,500 - 6 (5.3%)
$7,501-$7,750 - 4 (3.5%)
$7,751-$8,000 - 12 (10.5%)
$8,001-$8,250 - 13 (11.4%)
$8,251-$8,500 - 6 (5.3%)
$8,501-$8,750 - 6 (5.3%)
$8,751-$9,000 - 11 (9.6%)
$9,001,$9,250 - 10 (8.8%)
$9,251-$9,500 - 9 (7.9%)
>$9,500 - 15 (13.2%)
$20,000 - 7 (6.1%)
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March 15, 2019, 05:13:15 AM

Another bitcoin bull market is coming in 2019, says Fundstrat's Tom Lee

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/14/another-bitcoin-bull-market-is-coming-in-2019-fundstrats-tom-lee.html
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/13/david-stockman-rally-is-just-day-traders-chart-monkeys-crash-coming.html

Stock market capital flight into Bitcoin might get another shot soon.
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March 15, 2019, 05:15:59 AM

Chickens 'gang up' to kill intruder fox on French farm
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47551786
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March 15, 2019, 05:19:12 AM

Relevance to my observation that dishonest and dishonorable opponents are once again using falsehoods to try to taint a coin by association? None.

Your relentless defensiveness and apologism for creepy people and aspects of things you have no influence over is really bleedin' weird.

It is not a defense of people. It is in defense of my preferred blockchain. Are you so dull as to not see that? (I rather doubt it). Are you going to tell me that the intent of the post to which I replied was not to besmirch SV? Ayre is not SV, and SV is not Ayre. Ayre is neither the CEO of BSV. Such is a lie. Why do you defend a lie? Defense of lies is reprehensible. Defense of the truth is not. Casting aspersions upon those defending the truth is 'creepy'. Not to mention reprehensible.

Unintentionally appear to have hit a sore spot

Whether we are referring to the Calvin Ayer picture, or just suggesting that Ayer is attempting to proclaim to be the CEO of BSV, jbreher is frequently on a tear and more than willing to run to the defense and support almost any and all of the behaviors of any scammer that supports BIGBLOCKER ideations.  

WTF are you on about? The claim that Ayre is the CEO of BSV is an out-and-out lie. Once again, I try to inject some actual truth into the discussion, and once again, you call me out as if adhering to the truth is somehow shameful. Go fuck yourself.

Yes we need to stop this nonsense immediately.  Calvin is the major proponent and funder of BSV but in no way shape or form is he the CEO of the project decentralized around him and such scurrilous rumours must be laid to rest.  

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He requested the creation and funds the Bitcoin SV project. The development, testing, mining operations, everything. If successful, the project will increase his net worth by billions, at the same time giving him power over the network.
 Does that sound like CEO behavior to you? Of course not !

https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/9y4wdd/let_us_talk_about_calvin_ayre_the_man_behind/


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The Bitcoin SV project was created at the request of and sponsored by Antiguan-based CoinGeek Mining, with development work initiated by nChain.

Bitcoin SV is intended to provide a clear BCH implementation choice for miners.
From BSV.io

Now Cavin Ayre founded Coingeek but that is totally a coincidence.  He is NOT THE CEO OF BSV
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March 15, 2019, 05:27:36 AM

Stock market capital flight into Bitcoin might get another shot soon.

How does that train of thought work?  "Oh god, my speculative assets are crashing.  Time to exit them to go into an even riskier, speculative asset?".  That's not how this game works.  If capital flight occurs away from risk assets it goes to the base of Exter's Pyramid, which is physical metals, not imaginary shitcoins that don't even have the traits to qualify as money in the first place.  Bitcoin is a currency, not money, and a flight away from risk assets is also a flight away from all valueless currencies whether they're paper, digital, or whatever form of scam they take shape.

Another reason digital shitcoins are pure garbage is that they do not qualify as collateral for anything.  For something to qualify as collateral, it has to actually exist in the physical world, otherwise it's just a toxic asset like mortgage backed securities.  If you want to take out a loan, co-sign for some type of liability, or whatever else, you will always be able to put up your house, car, physical metals, or whatever as collateral.  These are all real commodities. Bitcoin is a fake commodity.  You cannot use an imaginary, valueless digital token as collateral for anything.  It's technically even worse than an MBS.

If the price of digital shitcoins went upwards in the event of some type of economic implosion, it would be entirely from the govt themselves rigging them upwards because the invisible hand of the market would NEVER allow it.  In a real flight to safety, real physical commodity money (metals) would annihilate paper and digital currency scams.

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March 15, 2019, 05:29:17 AM

Of course Ayre isn't "CEO of BSV".

However, he is a massive pile of shit, and it would not be unjustified to think the same of people who defend him.
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March 15, 2019, 05:32:35 AM

Probably never, as I at least feel like I'm doubting many aspects of my reasoning every day. This has been a habit since my early childhood, since it appears glaringly obvious that there are no simple answers. If you see certainty in my posts there's a chance that I either am certain with good reason or that you're interpreting too much.

Either way, in the post you've quoted the intended implication was that jojo is highly predictable, like an NPC. He did exactly what I hoped he would.


Now to oppose the common narrative in this thread.

HM stated earlier that nothing would convince him of the objective fact that "2+2 = 4". I posted evidence for the contrary, which he ignored.

If he was willing to self-doubt and open-minded he would've been interested in learning more about this without any goal of letting himself be convinced of anything, but unless he has been looking into it on his own off-thread it would imply a lack of self-doubt and open-mindedness on his side.

Similar behaviour can be observed in the climate discussions. If you can point out where people who repeatedly attack me provide evidence or establish points to look out for, as opposed to claiming facts they've read sometime somewhere, and where I fail to respond to that in an open-minded manner I'll be happy to elaborate on my reasoning or otherwise concede.

No hard feelings by the way (@HM, as you've clearly stopped getting personal lately), just trying to bring a point across. I'm not here to fight. But I'll play along if I'm being attacked for no rational reason and state the obvious for as long as nobody with reason can negate my stance (which I would actually welcome).



Also, just curious. But since when do you attack people with most likely more experience instead of trying to understand where they're coming from? Would you consider yourself superior to an athlete? No? Then why would you assume that someone who spent a life-time learning how to think objectively (Mathematics/Science/Philosophy) would be incapable of self-doubt? Or does ego get in the way when it comes to "thinking"? The ability to think is just like every other ability, it takes time to develop and nurture. And that can not be achieved with personal attacks and complete lack of willingness to engage in conversation.
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Here comes the CNBC Indicator. Short now?  Grin Grin

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March 15, 2019, 05:39:11 AM

Actually you might have persuaded me that 2 + 2 doesn’t necessarily equal 4.  You might have gotten me there.

I haven’t responded because I am still thinking about it.  To your point, it’s not a topic I know a lot about.
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March 15, 2019, 05:40:16 AM

Here comes the CNBC Signal. Short now?  Grin Grin

https://i.imgur.com/kEY35ki.png

I like how CNBC tries to spin that a 5% gain for the year on bitcoin is an awesome reward for holding a high risk "asset" that can literally go to zero at any second from a random cryptography bug or side channel, or just completely implode naturally since it's entire valuation is based on nothing but market manipulation.
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March 15, 2019, 05:40:47 AM

Tether is probably a fractional reserve scheme, also they are now clearly saying that they use money to buy "other assets" than dollar and that (if I understand  well) they give loans to "affiliates".

That's pretty much a plain admission of scam to me. They are basically acting as a filthy bank, gambling your money for (their) profits.

Am I understanding well the significance of the statement?

Breaking news:  Tether is a shitcoin
Always has been, it's just one people for some fucking reason put their faith in when they really shouldn't have.
It has its uses and there are many stablecoins these days. Hedging between them can help you increase your profits while simultaneously keeping risk low. Whether or not people want to use it is of course up to them. I personally don't because I don't want to risk Bitcoin unexpectedly taking off regardless of technical indicators, but I would certainly have a larger stash now if I had used stablecoins.
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Relevance to my observation that dishonest and dishonorable opponents are once again using falsehoods to try to taint a coin by association? None.

Your relentless defensiveness and apologism for creepy people and aspects of things you have no influence over is really bleedin' weird.

It is not a defense of people. It is in defense of my preferred blockchain. Are you so dull as to not see that? (I rather doubt it). Are you going to tell me that the intent of the post to which I replied was not to besmirch SV? Ayre is not SV, and SV is not Ayre. Ayre is neither the CEO of BSV. Such is a lie. Why do you defend a lie? Defense of lies is reprehensible. Defense of the truth is not. Casting aspersions upon those defending the truth is 'creepy'. Not to mention reprehensible.

Unintentionally appear to have hit a sore spot

Whether we are referring to the Calvin Ayer picture, or just suggesting that Ayer is attempting to proclaim to be the CEO of BSV, jbreher is frequently on a tear and more than willing to run to the defense and support almost any and all of the behaviors of any scammer that supports BIGBLOCKER ideations.  

WTF are you on about?

A little thing called, "truth."  Have you heard of it?  Oh, I see from the remainder of your post, you are trying to claim a vision about "truth," yet you may either need spectacles or perhaps if you were able to remove yourself from your bias, you might be able to at least recognize that you are in the wrong thread for propagating such supposed self-described "truths"

The claim that Ayre is the CEO of BSV is an out-and-out lie.

Nah.. it is just an exaggeration to suggest both that there is a pretty small group of influencers in connection with Bcash SV, and Ayes plays a very central role with his bank account.... so who fucking cares about any remaining details that don't matter? except for BIGBLOCKER sympathizers like yourself.. who wants to purposefully come up with an excuse to pump baloney narrative of all the supposed greatness of Bcash from your point of view.. and again who cares, this is a bitcoin, not a shitcoin thread.

Once again, I try to inject some actual truth into the discussion, and once again, you call me out as if adhering to the truth is somehow shameful.

You are not injecting truth, you are injecting irrelevant details down the road of off-topicness.

Our various exaggerations do not need to be corrected or rerouted by supposed truth from your perspective because it is both off topic, and few people here (besides yourself) gives a ratt's ass to want to verify the extent to which you might be somewhat true in your representations of such skewed views that BIG BLOCKS are great....   so in that regard, your self-proclaimed abilities to spot truth are questionable at best, and surely also there have been plenty of times that you have presented a vast variety of spins as if they were factual truths, and they were spins  of conclusions that you would like to reach about speculative flaws that you view there to be in BTC... so get off of your petard of a high horse, dear kind sir.


Go fuck yourself.

No need to get sexual about this, especially when you are the one trying to inject off-topicness in the guise of purported "truth" as if it were actually relevant in these here parts.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes  Didn't you know that you (as the equivalent of a cat) were in bat country, here?

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March 15, 2019, 05:49:38 AM

Did anyone see this part of the "shooter" manifesto?  haha:

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March 15, 2019, 05:56:36 AM

Mass shooting in New Zealand.  Multiple armed perps(??).  Attack on two mosques. Multiple fatalities recorded.  

Obviously terrorism.   Will see if reported as such. Bangladesh cricket team arriving by bus as attack commenced but drove off.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/14/asia/christchurch-mosque-shooting-intl/

Edit:  TVNZ reporter has seen shooter’s manifesto. Is White Supremacist madness with objective of inciting a race war and conflict over Second Amendment. 

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/live-mass-shooting-christchurch-mosque-police-respond-active-shooter-situation?variant=tb_v_1

Shooting was live streamed.  



This is obviously horrifying.  Possible that young children targeted.   I would ask that some of the more committed racists on this thread take the opportunity to reflect on our common humanity.  I would also ask that some of the bystanders to casual racism here take a stand against it.  And I don’t want to hear shitty stories about how you don’t like Muslims but wouldn’t shoot up a mosque.  If you encourage an atmosphere of racism, then you are part of the problem.
I would see the guy who did the shooting executed, among with other terrorists of any other creed. I would show zero lenience with people like the rapist who shared videos of his grotesque crimes on Instagram the other day either. And I think that dipshit was white if I recall correctly.

But the rest seems like an appeal to emotion. I don't see why you shouldn't be allowed to publicly worry about a set of people with an increased associated - at least perceived - risk. Instigation to crime is one thing, and should be punishable under all circumstances to the full extent of the law (which in some cases may be far too lenient). But problems have to be properly analyzed or they'll take control over humanity, as opposed to humanity solving problems.

What would you say to Muslims who have left their faith whilst criticizing it by the way?


And in general, problems tend to get worse if you instigate or if you ignore them by not talking about them. The real issue we seem to have is that one side instigates (populist parties) while the other side tries to shove the problem under the carpet (left-wing) out of fear of losing voters by discussing the unpleasant aspects of the problems and worries that some people have.
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March 15, 2019, 06:02:14 AM

So that fat fuck is free (?) to roam around spying on people with Roger Ver for the USG hangout London Trust Media, owners of Private Internet Media and Freenode. https://www.cnet.com/news/mt-gox-bitcoin-exchange-former-ceo-karpeles-lands-new-job/
Crime pays...

First thing, he's not fat any more.  The fish and rice diet in jail has served him well.

I'm actually glad he's out.  I have been very critical of Mark in the past, had a couple pretty hostile interactions with him on here back in the day, but I now believe that he was not malicious but simply in over his head.  I may be naive in that respect but it is my current belief.  

I also appreciate that he let the little fish swim out after the writing was on the wall.

Yeah, maybe you are being naive here.

Anyway.... What I want is *my* money back. I am way more pragmatic than I used to be in the past...

P.S.: What does being malicious mean? Intent? Do you think the scumbags that crashed the planes into the twin towers were malicious? They probably were convinced that they were fighting the "devil" and going to paradise for their "great" action.

Extreme comparison, I know...
Extremes usually are the most efficient way of getting a quick overview on a topic. They're the limit cases of what's possible and make it easier to sort out what's "in between". Also partially why that technique is used so often in Math and Physics.
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March 15, 2019, 06:03:38 AM

@ infofront:

Surely I like the new poll:

>>>>>>How many BTC does it take to be a fuckyoucoiner?
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 2-9
 10-19
 20-39
 40-69
 70-99
 100-149
 150-199
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 500-999
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I am presuming this to be a question based on current market conditions, and BTC expectations on such current market conditions.. so to be able to say that you are in a kind of "fuck you" status right now.. and based on minimum number of coins to perceive yourself to have sufficiently reached such "fuck you" status.

Since you may have seen some of my posts on that subject, you likely have a decent idea where I fall. Accordingly, I do believe that the ranges at the bottom are too small and the ranges at the top are too large, but I suppose we can see where the respondents fall and I suspect that the results should skew towards the top.... based on what I believe to be the presumptions of the question; however, can already see that the results seem to be more scattered so responders seem to be reaching presumptions different from my own... who would have thunk?    Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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March 15, 2019, 06:05:42 AM

If I offered you $1,000,000,000 would you:

- Permanently destroy your mental health?
- Give up one of your senses?
- Agree to never see your loved ones again?
- Give up laughter?
- Give up your memories?

Money is important but know its place,

You're already worth billions.

https://twitter.com/koroushak/status/1105982376847568898?s=21

I think I could live without smell or maybe even taste. Would need to deeply think about it... but since the offer isn't real I won't.

P.S.: Spoiler -> Roger Ver chose 1. Now we know.
I would forfeit one of my senses. Would have to check how food tastes without smell first to decide. But with a Billion there'd be a very real chance to live to and beyond a time where new senses can be created at will. One of which would surely compensate for smell, taste, or whatever. Nobody said I can't have a sense that is virtually identical to the sense I gave up for the Billion.

Also might consider agreeing to never seeing my loved ones again. It doesn't state that I permanently won't be able to do so. Agreements can be broken, and there's no clause that states that my Billion would be taken away after the fact.

Laughter seems irrelevant too if it doesn't take away the dopamine hit along with it.

And memories can be restored, which this poll doesn't forbid in any way.
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I would see the guy who did the shooting executed

I started reading this guy's supposed "manifesto" and so far I'm leaning towards it being some type of (((govt))) false flag.  It's completely impossible for this guy to know about any of these issues he's discussing in these 80 pages WITHOUT knowing the main group responsible pushing for white genocide by being flooded with 3rd world brown zombies is the Jew.  So far he hasn't even mentioned the Jews at all and ONLY talked about Muslims.

This is the Jewish moneychanger's main goal - a divide and conquer strategy - to try and get all these disparate groups to fight one another instead of focusing their attention where it belongs on things like the Jewish media and banks instead.  If it wasn't a false flag, he probably would not have wasted his life on a useless target like a 'mosque' and went after some media, bankers, or crooked politicians instead.  

You also have to factor in it's extremely unlikely for someone to commit suicide by cop in a mass shooting against a supposed enemy while stating all these views about wanting to 'fix' society.  Anyone wanting to fix things usually wants to stick around and not volunteer for suicide attacks.
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I voted for the new poll, not the usual one.

it's cool -  Grin
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March 15, 2019, 06:07:03 AM

You chase money every single day.
You stress over money all your life.
You worship money.

But you have no idea why money is valuable.

Money controls your life because you have no understanding of what it is.

Once you ask yourself “What is money?”, Bitcoin will make sense.


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