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$7,001-$7,250 - 3 (2.6%)
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$8,001-$8,250 - 13 (11.4%)
$8,251-$8,500 - 6 (5.3%)
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$8,751-$9,000 - 11 (9.6%)
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>$9,500 - 15 (13.2%)
$20,000 - 7 (6.1%)
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March 15, 2019, 12:55:36 PM

Hot take on the NZ shooting by an Australian Senator.

FWIW, I am of the opinion Islam is fundamentally incompatible with Western values.


Has there been a massive MSM outrage yet? Against the letter?

Far right, hardcore anti-immigration senator from Australia? Unlikely there will be.

But the idea that somehow immigrants are responsible for their own unprovoked, cold-blooded murder is fucking sickening.
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March 15, 2019, 12:57:22 PM

but Japan still seems like a decent bet if full-blown civil war broke out in the West (which I doubt will happen).

I'm not worried about civil war whatsoever.  The only thing to worry about is the collapse of the oil industry or debt based monetary scam system will cause the just in time delivery economy to fail, maybe even on a global basis, which probably results in the death of millions or billions of people and something resembling a zombie apocalypse.  The financial aspect of that doomsday event can be averted simply by revaluing metals to what they should be and going back to a metals based monetary system.  As for the oil part, we'll see what happens there.  Looks like Trump will try to 'commandere' some Venezeula oil.
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March 15, 2019, 01:03:20 PM

Periodic reminder about this realr0ach person:
You may be skimming through some of his stuff and thinking 'oh this part makes sense, he has a point there'.
Just be advised there is not one original thought being expressed here; it has all been discussed, agreed and even acted upon by OG bitcoiners. They put it all much better, and without the divisive nonsense he advocates.
I make no claim to originality myself, and I can only advise the reader to read around to find out what is real and what is likely to happen.
Oh in my mind I have very little doubt that, while we'll have some serious problems to face, life as a whole will get much better for everyone who deserves it. But as I've said earlier, I argue for points I don't believe in sometimes as an exercise. Similarly I talk to people whose position I almost surely won't share to draw out questions I won't ask myself otherwise.


Here is what I see happening. We will relatively soon get to a point where people will be able to create their vision at will (at first digitally only), and value will be derived based on how capable a person is to create an experience of interest to others. Some will choose to just consume in our world of abundance and do nothing else (enjoy the show). Others will choose to compete in creating the most interesting experiences of all kind, or just do it because they enjoy the creative process.
Given the current trajectory and all the developments I've been following in science and tech I have almost no doubt that we're heading into at least a quasi-utopia. The only potential cockblock I see to this is an asteroid or some other natural disaster that would wipe humanity out entirely or somehow wipe out all of our knowledge. There will still be people complaining and conspiracy crafting, but that's just the fundamental nature of being at play, and not an actual issue. Matter tries to bond in all possible permutations, some are stable, some aren't. Some like each other and compound, some don't. Humans are just an extension of this.

On the path to that there will be a gap between people who choose to stay within virtual realities, and others who will be trying to avoid those or otherwise create the technology necessary to have the same level of freedom VR will offer in the physical world.

And once we get bored of all that we'll realize that we've been there before and hit the reset button. Then the whole debacle will start over with results differing in appearance but not in fundamental quality.
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March 15, 2019, 01:05:52 PM

As is, I can just fly over to Japan when shit hits the fan here

Lol.  If you're a random white guy you need to be really naive to think traveling to a highly homogeneous, ethnocentric Asian country is going to somehow be a cure for your problems should the world go south.  In the current day of 2019, you would be far more likely to have both your assets or your life seized as a white guy in China or Japan in a SHTF scenario than an Asian person in America.
I lived in Japan for some years already some time ago. Had no issue connecting with younger Japanese people, mostly gamers. Saw some of them pretty much every day at the arcade, had lunch and dinner with them, traveled with them, etc. Perfectly normal relationships I'd have with people here as well, except that they're into alcohol, while I prefer the herb which is a big no-no in Japan.

China is not Japan though. I'd never set foot in there for anything other than travel.

If you have any better options I'd be willing to hear by the way. I'm not sure what the best destination for a doomsday scenario would be, but so far this seems like the most sensible choice given my individual situation.

All you really need to know is that in the old days, civilizations cropped up exclusively by the sea or other major waterways.  A lot of that is because if the land crops fail or somehow become unavailable, civilization can continue without everyone dying.  Ideally you would want to be as far from major cities as possible and near the water, possibly on an island.  

When the Jews pull their 9/11 demolition of this economic system you're not going to be able to travel anywhere, so you better get there before it happens.  All the ATMs and other crap will probably be frozen, you probably won't be able to even buy gas, and bitcoin will be 100% useless.  It will be strictly physical cash, coins, and physical metals (if the paper cash still has any value).  It's not really possible for the value of many of the coins like nickels and pennies to decrease, though.  It costs like 8 cents to create a nickel and 1.8 cents to create a penny, I think, so all that stuff will still be around.
They would have to destroy the Bitcoin satellites to break that means of exchange. Which is much more difficult to do than disabling bank accounts. I also don't think that any human force in the world, which wouldn't outright wipe out humanity, would be capable of disabling all means of travel, trade etc. There is too much to lose on an individual basis to allow any significant global scale catastrophe. As such, I see any doomsday scenarios as heavily localized with individual countries remaining unfazed.

As far as localizing near water, Japan seems pretty much perfect for that. And since they don't allow Muslims, or any foreigners, to mass-immigrate most of the Western problems don't hold there. One could argue that a mass exodus from the West to Asia could become a problem. But unless they start nuking the country those problems can be solved with money. Or with a hermit lifestyle somewhere in the middle of the nowhere of Japan.

I'm not sure how you don't understand the cities turn into cannibalistic warzones soon as the just in time delivery economy fails.  You also don't seem to understand there are ENORMOUS problems in the oil industry where you will probably see extreme shortages and/or prices in the near future as well.  I think you need $100+ a barrel oil just for exploration to be viable at all.  The industry hasn't even been looking for replacements for the stuff we're using in a LONG TIME.  Much of the problems coming are going to be based in the oil sector.  Probably why Trump is trying to invade Venezeula and steal theirs.
Who cares about oil when you have nuclear power to fuel electric motors? There are solutions to those problems. You just need some space and resources. Things might not be pretty, but Japan still seems like a decent bet if full-blown civil war broke out in the West (which I doubt will happen).

Nuclear power plants can also be made vastly more efficient than they are now. The tech used in current ones is the same that was used to nuke places and people and not optimized for usable energy output.

Japan is faking its friendliness.

They don't like foreigners at all. While I agree Japan isn't China, I still wouldn't place it too far away from China.

Japan will never give you a Japanese passport even when you marry a Japanese girl. Doesn't matter how long you lived in Japan or what education you got. They don't care about your net worth neither.

If things suddenly  go south, Japan might surprise you.

There isn't a single safe country left on earth.
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March 15, 2019, 01:06:13 PM

but Japan still seems like a decent bet if full-blown civil war broke out in the West (which I doubt will happen).

I'm not worried about civil war whatsoever.  The only thing to worry about is the collapse of the oil industry or debt based monetary scam system will cause the just in time delivery economy to fail, maybe even on a global basis, which probably results in the death of millions or billions of people and something resembling a zombie apocalypse.  The financial aspect of that doomsday event can be averted simply by revaluing metals to what they should be and going back to a metals based monetary system.  As for the oil part, we'll see what happens there.  Looks like Trump will try to 'commandere' some Venezeula oil.
Oil is irrelevant. Oil is being used because it's the status quo. There are plenty of options to it that will get adopted at a speed none of us can even imagine if the necessity and economic incentives arise.

Monetary systems have been collapsing for all of human history as well, with no significant impact to speak of as of today. And Bitcoin, as much as you hate it, is at least one solid solution that is already taking the first steps to replacing the fiat scam.

I can see the appeal of metals. But in the digital age they're just simply not efficient and friction-less enough to be worth the trouble.
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March 15, 2019, 01:08:18 PM

We will relatively soon get to a point where people will be able to create their vision at will (at first digitally only), and value will be derived based on how capable a person is to create an experience of interest to others.

I've already seen other people bring up this shitcoiner topic before, that EVERYONE will have their own coin that derives value from what they produce or whatever.  Assuming you could even make it work with all the interchangeability problems, most people simply produce nothing, so it's like....lol?  You are aware of the term bread and circus right?  

Welfare is money you bribe poor people with so they don't murder you in your sleep and take your stuff.  In that regard, any change back to a non-fantasy land, fraudulent monetary system is probably going to involve enormous taxes on 'the haves' to distribute bread to the people who produce nothing to stop them from burning down the planet.  Well, actually, just the cost of handing out food would be low and not requiring enormous taxes, but that assumes you completely abolish the entire military money laundering scam, medicare money laundering scam, and all other fraudulent govt programs.
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March 15, 2019, 01:09:36 PM

thought we'd done the https://www.politicalcompass.org/test
it's not perfect, but quite thought-provoking
i always come out more wishy-washy than i'd like to imagine myself (The Khan was a pussy blahblah)
will do it later and might publish here
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Surprise for me. I'd have imagined I'd be more "libertarian", as I lean heavily into laissez faire, including the bad consequences of poor choices.

Useless quiz is far too statist to get proper picture
Yeah, the questions also aren't sufficiently well-defined for my taste.

Some years back I went to the doctor to get my insomnia checked out. Ended up at some ADHD specialist.

The questionnaire was so ambiguous that I could've crossed anything without distorting the truth depending on how I'd choose to interpret the questions. Needless to say, I could choose the outcome so I went ahead and got a Ritalin prescription just to be sure.

Surprisingly, it knocked me out. First time in my life I went to bed and just fell asleep.

Not taking it anymore because I don't like having to watch my diet to negate the side-effects, and while it makes me more productive and focused it makes me think more linearly and thus tampers with creativity.

Tl;dr questionnaires are shitty ways to collect data. But unfortunately the best we have for now. Probably going to change in a decade or so though.

That is my experience with Ritalin as well, I never had any sleeping problems tho, rather the opposite, I sleep too much and is usually on a 25 hour cycle.
But I tried microdosing it instead (1/4 to 1/2 of a 5 mg pill in the morning) and that gave me a good balance between focus and creativity without messing with sleep and hunger.
I'm not taking it right now because of interactions with other drugs, but I will try another round when I'm of that drug.
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March 15, 2019, 01:15:44 PM

Japan is faking its friendliness.

They don't like foreigners at all. While I agree Japan isn't China, I still wouldn't place it too far away from China.

Japan will never give you a Japanese passport even when you marry a Japanese girl. Doesn't matter how long you lived in Japan or what education you got. They don't care about your net worth neither.

If things suddenly  go south, Japan might surprise you.

There isn't a single safe country left on earth.
That's too generalizing. I'm aware of the xenophobic attitude that many, mostly old, Japanese people have.

And while they do have a "public" and a "personal" stance (tatemae vs honne). But the ones I've interacted with clearly used their personal opinions when interacting with me, as opposed to their "polite, avoid problems and live in harmony" type "public" opinions (which are mostly a result of their lack of space). I did meet my fair share of the type of Japanese that you are referring to, but you can entirely avoid them and any of the problems associated.

Also, it's not true that I couldn't get a Japanese passport. It's not as easy as it is in most Western places, but it's certainly possible. I could pretty much get one within two more years if I recall correctly.
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March 15, 2019, 01:15:56 PM

Hot take on the NZ shooting by an Australian Senator.

FWIW, I am of the opinion Islam is fundamentally incompatible with Western values.


Has there been a massive MSM outrage yet? Against the letter?

Far right, hardcore anti-immigration senator from Australia? Unlikely there will be.

But the idea that somehow immigrants are responsible for their own unprovoked, cold-blooded murder is fucking sickening.
And accurate.

You don't have to like it, but it is a fact that Islam is fundamentally incompatible with western culture. They have no business here. And no place at all to play victims.
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Yeah, the questions also aren't sufficiently well-defined for my taste.

Some years back I went to the doctor to get my insomnia checked out. Ended up at some ADHD specialist.

The questionnaire was so ambiguous that I could've crossed anything without distorting the truth depending on how I'd choose to interpret the questions. Needless to say, I could choose the outcome so I went ahead and got a Ritalin prescription just to be sure.

Surprisingly, it knocked me out. First time in my life I went to bed and just fell asleep.

Not taking it anymore because I don't like having to watch my diet to negate the side-effects, and while it makes me more productive and focused it makes me think more linearly and thus tampers with creativity.

Tl;dr questionnaires are shitty ways to collect data. But unfortunately the best we have for now. Probably going to change in a decade or so though.

That is my experience with Ritalin as well, I never had any sleeping problems tho, rather the opposite, I sleep too much and is usually on a 25 hour cycle.
But I tried microdosing it instead (1/4 to 1/2 of a 5 mg pill in the morning) and that gave me a good balance between focus and creativity without messing with sleep and hunger.
I'm not taking it right now because of interactions with other drugs, but I will try another round when I'm of that drug.
I sleep too much as well. My problem is with falling asleep. Even if I worked myself out and have been awake for 30+ hours it would generally take me 2-3 hours of toss and turn before I'd finally doze off. At that point I sleep through though.
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March 15, 2019, 01:22:27 PM

For culture and colours.....

In each one of those we Will have good and bad, better and worse people
I can get along with all of them.... with the good ones, i avoid bad coloured but i try to avoid bad whites as well
We can have muslim terrorists, but we had or have white nazi’s as well

There Will always be problems ..... just don’t be the one in the center or helping or whatever with those problems

Good night and let us HODL and rest in peace

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We will relatively soon get to a point where people will be able to create their vision at will (at first digitally only), and value will be derived based on how capable a person is to create an experience of interest to others.

I've already seen other people bring up this shitcoiner topic before, that EVERYONE will have their own coin that derives value from what they produce or whatever.  Assuming you could even make it work with all the interchangeability problems, most people simply produce nothing, so it's like....lol?  You are aware of the term bread and circus right?  

Welfare is money you bribe poor people with so they don't murder you in your sleep and take your stuff.  In that regard, any change back to a non-fantasy land, fraudulent monetary system is probably going to involve enormous taxes on 'the haves' to distribute bread to the people who produce nothing to stop them from burning down the planet.  Well, actually, just the cost of handing out food would be low and not requiring enormous taxes, but that assumes you completely abolish the entire military money laundering scam, medicare money laundering scam, and all other fraudulent govt programs.
By digitally only I mean that people will create virtual worlds and experiences that others will choose to consume. Similar to Youtube, Twitch and Patreon today but on a much larger scale.

Costs are on an exponential downward slope for any physically produced good that the government or other such players don't have their hands in. As such, there will be no need for labour in the traditional sense. And value and money will literally just be brownie points exchanged between different parties. For this even shitcoins would fit the bill. But I think that something like Bitcoin will be the common denominator, as central bank fiat currencies are inflating too much.
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March 15, 2019, 01:23:19 PM

Japan is faking its friendliness.

They don't like foreigners at all. While I agree Japan isn't China, I still wouldn't place it too far away from China.

Japan will never give you a Japanese passport even when you marry a Japanese girl. Doesn't matter how long you lived in Japan or what education you got. They don't care about your net worth neither.

If things suddenly  go south, Japan might surprise you.

There isn't a single safe country left on earth.

Well, this Mindrust guy might be delusional thinking digital shitcoins can compare at all to physical metals, but at least he's not clueless that a random Gaijin roaming around Asia when the shit hits the fan will probably be fucked. What is the most common trait of the Chinese?  It's pragmatism.  Japanese are not the same, but similar.  They do NOT have any type of societal norms based on things like Christianity (which is mostly just the golden rule).  Even if you're not religious you will probably still benefit from living in a Christian foundation civilization.  

When the time comes, maybe it's completely pragmatic for the Chinese or Japanese to decapitate the outsider Gaijin believing they can't be trusted for whatever reason and there is absolutely nothing to stop that choice from being the pragmatic solution:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contest_to_kill_100_people_using_a_sword
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Japan is faking its friendliness.

They don't like foreigners at all. While I agree Japan isn't China, I still wouldn't place it too far away from China.

Japan will never give you a Japanese passport even when you marry a Japanese girl. Doesn't matter how long you lived in Japan or what education you got. They don't care about your net worth neither.

If things suddenly  go south, Japan might surprise you.

There isn't a single safe country left on earth.

Well, this Mindrust guy might be delusional thinking digital shitcoins can compare at all to physical metals, but at least he's not clueless that a random Gaijin roaming around Asia when the shit hits the fan will probably be fucked. What is the most common trait of the Chinese?  It's pragmatism.  They do NOT have any type of societal norms based on things like Christianity (which is mostly just the golden rule).  Even if you're not religious you will probably still benefit from living in a Christian foundation civilization.  

When the time comes, maybe it's completely pragmatic for the Chinese or Japanese to decapitate the outsider Gaijin believing they can't be trusted for whatever reason:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contest_to_kill_100_people_using_a_sword
Again, China and Japan are about as similar as Europe and the US. Probably less so as Japan puts more value on freedom than China ever could pretend to.

Also, between your reference and today Japan got nuked twice. That caused a drastic shift in their mentality. They're more into being productive than being dumb warmongers now and most of them would be too focused with the rat race to even think twice about some gaijin.
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For culture and colours.....

In each one of those we Will have good and bad, better and worse people
I can get along with all of them.... with the good ones, i avoid bad coloured but i try to avoid bad whites as well
We can have muslim terrorists, but we had or have white nazi’s as well

There Will always be problems ..... just don’t be the one in the center or helping or whatever with those problems

Good night and let us HODL and rest in peace

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Pretty accurate.
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March 15, 2019, 01:33:38 PM

We will relatively soon get to a point where people will be able to create their vision at will (at first digitally only), and value will be derived based on how capable a person is to create an experience of interest to others.

I've already seen other people bring up this shitcoiner topic before, that EVERYONE will have their own coin that derives value from what they produce or whatever.  Assuming you could even make it work with all the interchangeability problems, most people simply produce nothing, so it's like....lol?  You are aware of the term bread and circus right?  

Welfare is money you bribe poor people with so they don't murder you in your sleep and take your stuff.  In that regard, any change back to a non-fantasy land, fraudulent monetary system is probably going to involve enormous taxes on 'the haves' to distribute bread to the people who produce nothing to stop them from burning down the planet.  Well, actually, just the cost of handing out food would be low and not requiring enormous taxes, but that assumes you completely abolish the entire military money laundering scam, medicare money laundering scam, and all other fraudulent govt programs.
By digitally only I mean that people will create virtual worlds and experiences that others will choose to consume. Similar to Youtube, Twitch and Patreon today but on a much larger scale.

Costs are on an exponential downward slope for any physically produced good that the government or other such players don't have their hands in. As such, there will be no need for labour in the traditional sense. And value and money will literally just be brownie points exchanged between different parties. For this even shitcoins would fit the bill. But I think that something like Bitcoin will be the common denominator, as central bank fiat currencies are inflating too much.

It's going to most likely be the exact opposite.  Instead of only intellectual property having value, things like manual labor will probably make a LARGE comeback with the collapse of EROI in the oil industry.  The books are ALL cooked on this stuff, but a lot of sources claim the EROI is already lower than what is required to maintain an industrial civilization in the first place and there is no real substitute for oil.  

I personally think the govt is subsidizing the price of oil/oil industry right now as a stealth form of helicopter money.  You already know they want to enact helicopter money and simply giving people free or reduced price oil is the same thing since everyone buys it.  So in the end, the question of:  hey, what do we do with all these people who don't know how to program or whatever the fuck?  Will probably fix itself.  They might end up chopping logs or working in a field or something.
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Has there been a massive MSM outrage yet? Against the letter?

Far right, hardcore anti-immigration senator from Australia? Unlikely there will be.

But the idea that somehow immigrants are responsible for their own unprovoked, cold-blooded murder is fucking sickening.
And accurate.

You don't have to like it, but it is a fact that Islam is fundamentally incompatible with western culture. They have no business here. And no place at all to play victims.

So let me get this straight: you're saying they deserved to be massacred? And being a victim of a massacre isn't an appropriate time to "play victim"?
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I finally accomplished my first target. Finally.



This includes my altcoins too which are %6. Still need another 0.3 to make it pure 5.  Cool

I'mma going ballistic  Grin Gotta slow down for a while.
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We will relatively soon get to a point where people will be able to create their vision at will (at first digitally only), and value will be derived based on how capable a person is to create an experience of interest to others.

I've already seen other people bring up this shitcoiner topic before, that EVERYONE will have their own coin that derives value from what they produce or whatever.  Assuming you could even make it work with all the interchangeability problems, most people simply produce nothing, so it's like....lol?  You are aware of the term bread and circus right?  

Welfare is money you bribe poor people with so they don't murder you in your sleep and take your stuff.  In that regard, any change back to a non-fantasy land, fraudulent monetary system is probably going to involve enormous taxes on 'the haves' to distribute bread to the people who produce nothing to stop them from burning down the planet.  Well, actually, just the cost of handing out food would be low and not requiring enormous taxes, but that assumes you completely abolish the entire military money laundering scam, medicare money laundering scam, and all other fraudulent govt programs.
By digitally only I mean that people will create virtual worlds and experiences that others will choose to consume. Similar to Youtube, Twitch and Patreon today but on a much larger scale.

Costs are on an exponential downward slope for any physically produced good that the government or other such players don't have their hands in. As such, there will be no need for labour in the traditional sense. And value and money will literally just be brownie points exchanged between different parties. For this even shitcoins would fit the bill. But I think that something like Bitcoin will be the common denominator, as central bank fiat currencies are inflating too much.

It's going to most likely be the exact opposite.  Instead of only intellectual property having value, things like manual labor will probably make a LARGE comeback with the collapse of EROI in the oil industry.  The books are ALL cooked on this stuff, but a lot of sources claim the EROI is already lower than what is required to maintain an industrial civilization in the first place and there is no real substitute for oil.  

I personally think the govt is subsidizing the price of oil/oil industry right now as a stealth form of helicopter money.  So the question of:  hey, what do we do with all these people who don't know how to program or whatever the fuck?  Will probably fix itself.  They might end up chopping logs or working in a field or something.
What kind of labour exactly do you see so valuable when oil collapses?
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March 15, 2019, 01:36:22 PM

Yeah, the questions also aren't sufficiently well-defined for my taste.

Some years back I went to the doctor to get my insomnia checked out. Ended up at some ADHD specialist.

The questionnaire was so ambiguous that I could've crossed anything without distorting the truth depending on how I'd choose to interpret the questions. Needless to say, I could choose the outcome so I went ahead and got a Ritalin prescription just to be sure.

Surprisingly, it knocked me out. First time in my life I went to bed and just fell asleep.

Not taking it anymore because I don't like having to watch my diet to negate the side-effects, and while it makes me more productive and focused it makes me think more linearly and thus tampers with creativity.

Tl;dr questionnaires are shitty ways to collect data. But unfortunately the best we have for now. Probably going to change in a decade or so though.

That is my experience with Ritalin as well, I never had any sleeping problems tho, rather the opposite, I sleep too much and is usually on a 25 hour cycle.
But I tried microdosing it instead (1/4 to 1/2 of a 5 mg pill in the morning) and that gave me a good balance between focus and creativity without messing with sleep and hunger.
I'm not taking it right now because of interactions with other drugs, but I will try another round when I'm of that drug.
I sleep too much as well. My problem is with falling asleep. Even if I worked myself out and have been awake for 30+ hours it would generally take me 2-3 hours of toss and turn before I'd finally doze off. At that point I sleep through though.

That sucks, have you tried melatonin pills, they seem to work well with some individuals.
I always read for an hour or two when I go to bed, and sleep just comes to me during that time. When I close the book, I fall a sleep.
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