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Question: Price Target for Nov. 30, 2024:
<$75K - 4 (3.3%)
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$80K to $85K - 2 (1.7%)
$85K to $90K - 10 (8.3%)
$90K to $95K - 15 (12.4%)
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>$100K - 62 (51.2%)
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April 28, 2020, 06:25:34 AM

O.k.  Presuming that I might possibly have more than one bitcoin, that one bitcoin is a good goal, and remember how long it had taken Mindrust to get to 2 digits?   I am not going to suggest that I am better off than him or worse of than him.. at least where he was at.  He was proud of reaching 10BTC and then either the same day or the next day, he sold everything..... Fuck.

I'll say it again: poor Mindrust. One day he'll become popular like that bitcoin pizza guy by showing up on TV and telling his story of how he sold the bottom at ~$3800? Anyway, his story is just another hodling fuel for me. Sell now regret it later.  Cool
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O.k.  Presuming that I might possibly have more than one bitcoin, that one bitcoin is a good goal, and remember how long it had taken Mindrust to get to 2 digits?   I am not going to suggest that I am better off than him or worse of than him.. at least where he was at.  He was proud of reaching 10BTC and then either the same day or the next day, he sold everything..... Fuck.

I'll say it again: poor Mindrust. One day he'll become popular like that bitcoin pizza guy by showing up on TV and telling his story of how he sold the bottom at ~$3800? Anyway, his story is just another hodling fuel for me. Sell now regret it later.  Cool


I think that he sold around $4,500, but sure, through BTC history, and even involvement in this thread, there are quite a few participating members that have gone down similar roads as him in various ways, and part of the difficulties that many of us likely continue to have with the Mindrust situation continues to be that we got to know his situation pretty well through his own voluntarily sharing of a lot of details with us....

So there is additional sadness when he had become quite convicted in the appropriateness of his behavior because he tailored his approach to his own situation (psychology and finances), while at the same time, many of us had been trying to propose alternative ways of thinking about it or alternative ways to mitigate the risk or cut some of the losses, while increasing the preparations of UP. 

So, yeah sometimes any of us can become way to focused on preparing only for one direction, and maybe that was part of his problem - too much preparing for UP, so that when DOWN came, he overcorrected by then preparing too much for DOWN, and in the end, he is the one that has to decide for himself regarding the fitting path forward and to own his own decisions... even though so many of us were asserting that he would be kicking himself if he did not buy back in and accept his mistake of selling too much at the wrong time.. and continuing too much to had been preparing for down while neglecting up.

I feel bad about continuing to go back to him as an example, but it does help a lot of us to attempt to have reference points, and stories that he had seen and we might not even agree on some of the specifics of how to act or react or what lessons to get from the situation..
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April 28, 2020, 07:09:03 AM

Now we are in a moment of transit, we are probably going to go up, trade is now risky and may be left out.
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April 28, 2020, 07:21:33 AM

Re: Mindrust and co.

Emotional investors are and going to act emotionally. And that is probably the majority of retail investors, I am sure many more got burned playing the recent stock market volatility.
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April 28, 2020, 07:52:39 AM
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Imagine selling your $BTC two weeks before the halvening is happening DURING a global pandemic.

Some people really wanna work at McDonald's.

https://twitter.com/btc_macro/status/1254827784867688448?s=21
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April 28, 2020, 08:12:28 AM

Imagine selling your $BTC two weeks before the halvening is happening DURING a global pandemic.

Some people really wanna work at McDonald's.

https://twitter.com/btc_macro/status/1254827784867688448?s=21

Who is she? Love that TT video...
https://mobile.twitter.com/LayahHeilpern/status/1254850714909769730
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April 28, 2020, 08:20:30 AM
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I think the main difference between you and the plebs JJG,

Hahahaha

I am a pleb.


is having more than one bitcoin.

O.k.  Presuming that I might possibly have more than one bitcoin, that one bitcoin is a good goal, and remember how long it had taken Mindrust to get to 2 digits?   I am not going to suggest that I am better off than him or worse of than him.. at least where he was at.  He was proud of reaching 10BTC and then either the same day or the next day, he sold everything..... Fuck.

So, yeah, depending on when we got in, we would probably create goals for ourselves, and if we are trying to be realistic, we don't overdo it, but at a certain point, we might be able to relax... kind of.. not completely, but kind of relax.

Who the hell can completely relax with such an ongoingly volatile asset that is likely NOT going to stop being volatile, and maybe there is some amount of comfort that almost every other investment has become volatile, too, in recent times, causing bitcoin to seem kind of normal... even though it is NOT normal and bitcoin continues to have way more upside volatility potential than many other investments, even though currently, it seems that there has been a lot of enthusiasm for gold, in recent times, so sure, gold might be able to outperform other assets, but that might not be asking for much, and getting a hold of physical gold or even selling it might be a nightmare, but maybe the goldbugs know how to maneuver those gold buying/selling circles.. maybe they do?  Maybe?  But there seems to be strangeness in liquidity and how you get it, sell it, and even if you have it, is anyone going to trust the purity of what you have?


New bitcoin collectors need the price of a bitcoin to be much higher to make any big consumerist dreams come true (a fancy car, bigger house).

If any of us were a new bitcoiner and just getting past our 1 bitcoin and it could take a while to reach double digits, even though double digits might not even be necessary.

Each of us just needs to work within our budget, and don't try to rush things too much.  The great upside potential of bitcoin, might inspire some folks to feel as if they need to overinvest into it, but the fact of the matter is that the asymmetric bet nature of bitcoin likely means that you do not really need to overinvest in order to still be able to compliment any quasi-diversified investing portfolio that you might have established.

Part of the reason that I proclaim to have become overinvested in BTC is because I largely reached my investment allocation target into BTC in late 2014; however, the value of my investment was bouncing between 35% and 60% of the dollar value that I had put into it, so in other words, I was then ongoingly between 40% and 65% in the red... So I continued to invest my available fiat value into BTC, which caused me to go over my authorized allocation, and then even though the BTC price went shooting up, starting in late 2015, I rethought my whole allocation situation, and my plans to cash out on the way up, and I conscientiously decided to meter down my selling on the way up plan.  I figured that I did not have to sell as much on the way up in order to still be fine with the whole risk allocation both psychologically and financially.

So, largely I have retained that perception of my own somewhat "overinvestment" status, which continues to cause me NO real preoccupation with shaving off some BTC here and there along the way, as needed  (maybe similar to a Jimbo perspective - even though Jimbo had been in one more up cycle than me, which probably contributes to causing him to be even less emotionally attached than me in regards to any need that might cause him to shave off a bit more BTC here or there).


There will likely be selling pressure between $10k and $25k of people wanting to get out or having a large stash and need to diversify. Beyond that there might be a big vacuum: high new demand but little supply.

Seems really difficult to know, but I think that if we get into the $17,500 area, there is likely to be some inability to stop the UP for a little bit of time, once getting past that area.. but there could be some severe corrections before getting above that, and sure we have to get back above $10k and even above $13,880... so we should NOT be engaged in attempting to count too many chickens before they are hatched, yet I still get the feeling that a lot of intermediary newbies will be wanting lock in some profits in the price area that you suggested - but in the end, who the fuck cares about those overly anxious profit takers anyhow, because they are always talking BIG talk like they are getting out and making a killing on their BTC, and the same thing happened between $500 and $2,500 in 2016 and 2017, and so all the anxious to make profits in those price zones have not come back.  I mean, are we going back between $500 and $2,500 so some of those overly anxious profit taking folks can buy some of their prematurely sold BTC back?  Does not seem too likely.
 
Don't get me wrong, I am NOT saying that it is a problem that there was a lot of profit taking between $500 and $2,500 and I am also not saying that it was not prudent to shave off some profits through that price zone, just for insurance of not knowing if the BTC price is going to continue to go up, but problems develop when selling too much BTC too soon rather than the fact that they shaved off some profits along the way.

Similar is going to be true in the $10k to $25k zone, as you pointed out.  

Surely, I don't see any problem with shaving off reasonable amounts, even though the BTC price is likely going to go past $25k and not really come back down.. but no problem shave a bit off a bit of profits along the way, but at the same time, it is going to be the better practice to NOT shave off so much as to NOT be prepared for UP, which is the more likely direction, even though it is going to seem unreasonable and outrageous, but there will need to be ongoing needs to prepare for up in that $10k to $25k price zone, even if we might get some pretty BIG scares in that time frame, just like we had the hardforking and related bullshit death of bitcoin scares in the $500 to $2,500 price arena in 2016 and 2017...

Remember breaking through $500 in May 2016, and then the August 2016 Bitfinex "hack" of nearly 120k BTC that so many folks considered to be a likely exchange exit scam and causing additional downward price pressures on BTC - that in the end, did not last more than a few months into October and November, and likely tricked a lot of folks out of their BTC..

Pour one out for Roach who is still (to the extent that fictional character still exists) obsessed about bitfinex(tether) causing the inevitable downfall of BTC.. and no one hardly even remembers bitfinex dominance or tether fud.. that still comes up from time to time but no one really knows what the fuck they are talking about... and why folks like Roach remain so bitter (again presuming the fictional character still exists).

But don't worry there are going to be equal or greater FUD incidents in this next round.   Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy.. and what is the more likely scenario, prepare for plan B's stock to flow playing out without putting too many eggs in that one basket.. yeah, nothing is 100% or maybe not even much greater than 60%, but still... pee pare ur lil selfies for up (not referring to you specifically, bitebits), even if skimming a bit of profits off of your profitable BTC along our upcoming journey .

Interesting, can you go into a bit more detail on that?
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April 28, 2020, 08:31:13 AM

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Interesting, can you go into a bit more detail on that?

I think that I wore myself out.

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April 28, 2020, 08:33:56 AM

https://www.forbes.com/sites/justinoconnell/2020/04/24/inside-blockchains-coronavirus-hiring-spree/

Kraken is preparing:

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As covered in March by Forbes.com, Kraken, the San Francisco-based cryptocurrency exchange, is also hiring. The company originally planned to hire 250 people in 2020, largely due to the upcoming bitcoin halving. As coronavirus led to people looking for alternative assets, Kraken bumped that number to 350, and moved up their hiring timeline.  According to data provided by the exchange, signups grew 39.5% in March month-over-month compared with February, while average daily signups for March were up 61% compared with January.

“The traditional system seems to be completely breaking down all over the world,” said Jesse Powell, co-founder and CEO of Kraken. “So, increased customer demand is going to mean increased business for us, and it’s going to mean increased hiring.”
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April 28, 2020, 09:38:27 AM

All Members.

Change in the weather for the next few days everyone.     Like most, I would imagine, I have spent time in the garden which has never had so much attention.

As far as I am aware, and I have had many phone calls and e-mails, fortunately there appears to be no one on the branch that has been affected by the virus other than inconvenience. [editor: it is a tiny rural branch]



Regards all,

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April 28, 2020, 10:44:58 AM

Imagine selling your $BTC two weeks before the halvening is happening DURING a global pandemic.

Some people really wanna work at McDonald's.

https://twitter.com/btc_macro/status/1254827784867688448?s=21

I remember when you used to work as Mcd’s. You have come a long way young man!

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April 28, 2020, 11:18:25 AM

Can you feel the pressure building?

I can . Big things later Grin tbc
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Can you feel the pressure building?

I can . Big things later Grin tbc

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Can you feel the pressure building?

I can . Big things later Grin tbc

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April 28, 2020, 12:34:41 PM
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Imagine selling your $BTC two weeks before the halvening is happening DURING a global pandemic.

Some people really wanna work at McDonald's.

https://twitter.com/btc_macro/status/1254827784867688448?s=21

For someone to panic sell at a random time point, just because he/she got scared of a dip, this I can understand...

But, to sell everything A FEW MONTHS BEFORE A HALVING EVENT tells me that this person doesn't have a clue how Bitcoin works!

My biggest accumulation period was just before the 2016 Halving... In fact, it was the incoming 2016 Halving, and reading (and understanding) S.N.'s White Paper and Andreas Antonopoulos's famous book, that made me purchase my first 0.5 BTC for $100. Just compare to today's BTC price... It's simply inconceivable for me to sell even a tiny amount of BTC at this time.

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My Plan B is to sell insanely overpriced Alts during this bull run, not Bitcoin  Cool
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My Plan B is to sell insanely overpriced Alts during this bull run, not Bitcoin  Cool





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If you own 10 bitcoin you are literally a billionaire.

Few understand this.
https://twitter.com/pierre_rochard/status/1254553080319877120


In sats, yeah

But seems like a beautiful illusion atm, unless BTC turns into world reserve currency, may be in next 70-100 years.. who knows?
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My Plan B is to sell insanely overpriced Alts during this bull run, not Bitcoin  Cool

My plan B is to buy more BTC at expensive prices with new gained FIAT
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My Plan B is to sell insanely overpriced Alts during this bull run, not Bitcoin  Cool
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Few understand this.
https://twitter.com/pierre_rochard/status/1254553080319877120


In sats, yeah

But seems like a beautiful illusion atm, unless BTC turns into world reserve currency, may be in next 70-100 years.. who knows?

If it happens, it will be way before 70 years from now.
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