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Question: Price Target for Nov. 30, 2024:
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$85K to $90K - 10 (8.3%)
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June 05, 2020, 03:15:20 AM
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#dyor
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I say to my friends..maybe the cup is bigger than I thought?
They say maybe..if you discount the drop from the pandemic
Then I say to my friends..maybe it is long handle wok?
My friends look at me and think I am crazy perhaps..

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I say to my friends

smile..accumulate...hodl.

The summer Dragon comes...  We acknowledge harmony and are grateful.

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#stronghands
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June 05, 2020, 03:50:30 AM
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I dunno...it's shiny  Grin

Those of us who also own PMs think they are.  Grin

Hide it well, don't tell any neighbors, etc.

Hm. I remember trading a bitcoin for an ounce of gold.

See how stupid that sounds? Let us all reflect on this and meditate

Ommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Let's not and say we did.    Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


some believe that Silver is the better buy rn over Gold.

Oh my!!!!!!!


Edited: (added this one)
I woulda done a lot better had I just turned them into bitcoin, but ....






Help!!!

This could be referred to as: "roach-reviving by a thousand posts"

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Thinking of buying a bit of physical-never did before. Worth it?

No.  It is not.   Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

I dunno...it's shiny  Grin

..Getting a bit tired of our protracted bear market. We will be truly out of it above 20K, still more than 100% to go.
Don't want to diworsify yet, but there will be a time.


If you have the money for some gold, and patience to wait, then yeah, buying gold is a great idea.  Diversification, which is important to me.  1 oz of gold is more than some 98% of Americans own.

Physical gold only.  Hide it well, don't tell any neighbors, etc.

Oh, yeah, it's shiny too.
I turned all those shitcoins that Roger gifted me back in 2017 into my shiny gold and silver coin pm stash.
I did pretty well, though I woulda done a lot better had I just turned them into bitcoin, but I already had
some of those. Diversification  etc....
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Price: $9,800
Qty Remaining: 2,500,000
People viewing this product right now: 7,800,000,000

Description:  do the math.
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All hardware wallet brands vulnerability when pc is malware infected. Firmware update required:

https://blog.trezor.io/details-of-firmware-updates-for-trezor-one-version-1-9-1-and-trezor-model-t-version-2-3-1-1eba8f60f2dd
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Possible large transaction fee via two Segwit transactions.
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The fix is straightforward — we need to deal with Segwit transactions in the very same manner as we do with non-Segwit transactions. That means we need to require and validate the previous transactions’ UTXO amounts. That is exactly what we are introducing in firmware versions 2.3.1 and 1.9.1.
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https://twitter.com/cryptowat_ch/status/1268532628078149633

Nice.

BTC/$9,798

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I dunno...it's shiny  Grin

Those of us who also own PMs think they are.  Grin

Hide it well, don't tell any neighbors, etc.

Hm. I remember trading a bitcoin for an ounce of gold.

See how stupid that sounds? Let us all reflect on this and meditate

Ommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Let's not and say we did.    Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


some believe that Silver is the better buy rn over Gold.

Oh my!!!!!!!


Edited: (added this one)
I woulda done a lot better had I just turned them into bitcoin, but ....






Help!!!



Hey, don't be a one-way-fits all cases...
max(abs(x),abs(y)) = c

In any case, cashing btc out into fiat would look more and more like a dangerous endeavor considering 'money printer goes brrr'.
When btc is at 200K, scarcity analysis suggests some diversification into Au might be amenable for consideration.
Alternatively, if interest rates would go up to, for example, 20% (like in early 80ies), I would probably also buy some bonds instead when cashing out, but NOT with the current yields.
One thing is for sure: you will not lose purchasing power to inflation when buying gold, while cashing out to fiat pretty much guarantees it.
In retirement (if that ever comes), this is pretty important, but if you aim to immediately buy RE (like @LFC was saying), then it is mostly irrelevant.
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June 05, 2020, 05:40:37 AM

All hardware wallet brands vulnerability when pc is malware infected. Firmware update required:

https://blog.trezor.io/details-of-firmware-updates-for-trezor-one-version-1-9-1-and-trezor-model-t-version-2-3-1-1eba8f60f2dd
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Possible large transaction fee via two Segwit transactions.
...
The fix is straightforward — we need to deal with Segwit transactions in the very same manner as we do with non-Segwit transactions. That means we need to require and validate the previous transactions’ UTXO amounts. That is exactly what we are introducing in firmware versions 2.3.1 and 1.9.1.

I know that they dealt with it in a responsible manner...but shit like this makes me nervous as hell.
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All hardware wallet brands vulnerability when pc is malware infected. Firmware update required:

https://blog.trezor.io/details-of-firmware-updates-for-trezor-one-version-1-9-1-and-trezor-model-t-version-2-3-1-1eba8f60f2dd
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Possible large transaction fee via two Segwit transactions.
...
The fix is straightforward — we need to deal with Segwit transactions in the very same manner as we do with non-Segwit transactions. That means we need to require and validate the previous transactions’ UTXO amounts. That is exactly what we are introducing in firmware versions 2.3.1 and 1.9.1.

I know that they dealt with it in a responsible manner...but shit like this makes me nervous as hell.


The remedy for most attacks is signing the transaction on a permanently offline computer. I understand that is not what the mainstream will do, but the mainstream does not own a whole bitcoin either.
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why don't you "deversify" into ledger?

I don't even do hardware wallets.

software...software makes me nervous
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June 05, 2020, 06:24:33 AM
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I dunno...it's shiny  Grin

Those of us who also own PMs think they are.  Grin

Hide it well, don't tell any neighbors, etc.

Hm. I remember trading a bitcoin for an ounce of gold.

See how stupid that sounds? Let us all reflect on this and meditate

Ommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Let's not and say we did.    Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


some believe that Silver is the better buy rn over Gold.

Oh my!!!!!!!


Edited: (added this one)
I woulda done a lot better had I just turned them into bitcoin, but ....






Help!!!



Hey, don't be a one-way-fits all cases...
max(abs(x),abs(y)) = c

In any case, cashing btc out into fiat would look more and more like a dangerous endeavor considering 'money printer goes brrr'.
When btc is at 200K, scarcity analysis suggests some diversification into Au might be amenable for consideration.
Alternatively, if interest rates would go up to, for example, 20% (like in early 80ies), I would probably also buy some bonds instead when cashing out, but NOT with the current yields.
One thing is for sure: you will not lose purchasing power to inflation when buying gold, while cashing out to fiat pretty much guarantees it.
In retirement (if that ever comes), this is pretty important, but if you aim to immediately buy RE (like @LFC was saying), then it is mostly irrelevant.

I doubt that it is worthy of too much discussion in this thread regarding the variety of ways to diversify outside of bitcoin, and surely depending on how mature you are in your investment portfolio, you might feel that some shiny rock compliments your investment portfolio..to prepare you for a larger variety of circumstances...   Then sure, go for it, but why talk very much about that here?

Let's say for example, through the years, you have accumulated 30 BTC (currently worth nearly $300k) and you have not really diversified into any other kinds of investments besides dollars, and you have just been trying to keep some kind of balance in your investment by keeping cash onhand too, and since you are so heavily invested into BTC, you have continuously tried to keep within a range of 5% to 15% of the value of your BTC in dollars, so you could buy BTC on dips and otherwise be ready for any kinds of short term emergencies that you have, so on March 12, when BTC dipped down to $3,850, you had gotten down to 5% cash and if BTC goes shooting up you anticipate that you would end up accumulating around 15% cash, and right now you are feeling comfortable that you have around $30k in cash (which is right in the middle of your goal range at 10%), so you are feeling somewhat comfortable with your current position.. so if new cash comes in, then you buy BTC with 90% of it and you keep the other 10% in cash or some variation of such with a bit of anticipating whether you stack more towards fiat preparation if you believe that the price might drop or BTC preparation if you believe that the BTC price might go up.

If you have already set a goal for yourself that you are not going to feel comfortable retiring until you feel that the value of all of your investments in your portfolio is solidly in the $2million plus arena, then you might need to wait until the bottom of BTC's price $65k to $80k arena before you can really start to feel comfortable, and of course, in order to feel some additional assurance, then you might need to have some comfort in the stability of whatever diversification decisions that you make is able to hold its value. 

Of course, if BTC prices go shooting up to $200k, like the hypothesis that you suggested, Biodom, then continuing to hold 24 BTC (80% of your current stash) (valued at $4.8 million) or more at that time, will still likely put you in a decent position in terms of options.  Presumably at that time you might be down to a having 85% BTC and 15% cash, so that would give you cash amounts of around $700k, and maybe you would feel comfortable shaving some additional BTC off your BTC holdings, but whether you want to buy gold with that or merely keep that shaved off amount in fiat in order to be more liquid in order to be able to buy back BTC with it would surely be discretionary. 

In my personal strategy, I still plan to be balancing between bitcoin and doilars, and if BTC prices were to go shooting up to $200k from our current price, my plan shows me that I would still have about 85% of my BTC stash at that $200k price, so sure, I would have an option to shave off some additional BTC at that time, if I felt that I did not have enough cash or otherwise feel diversified enough in other assets.  But, I really do not feel that I am going to feel any compunction to own some shiny metal... but hey never say never, right?

Even though I personally don't see any role, for my own investments, to add gold into the mix, but hey, at some point in life, I might just want to have some shiny objects hanging around, just for shits and giggles, to the extent that I am not preferring lambos, hookers and blow, at that point.

I agree with any suggestion that even if I do not need to decide right now, it still might be o.k. to plan for the possibility of such scenarios and whether I might start to consider shiny objects to become more valuable in the future than I perceive them to be currently (which currently is still not very much). 
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why don't you "deversify" into ledger?

I don't even do hardware wallets.

software...software makes me nervous
I started hating both ledger and trezor when they opened to shitcoins. I hoped that at least Slush would have saved trezor from altcoins.
I only wanted a Bitcoin hardware wallet! Was I asking too much?
So I got rid of my Nano s and trezor one.
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why don't you "deversify" into ledger?

I don't even do hardware wallets.

software...software makes me nervous
I started hating both ledger and trezor when they opened to shitcoins. I hoped that at least Slush would have saved trezor from altcoins.
I only wanted a Bitcoin hardware wallet! Was I asking too much?
So I got rid of my Nano s and trezor one.
What is the reason you only want a Bitcoin hardware wallet? If you don't have altcoins, what is the reason? You don't have to put it on the wallet. Or are you afraid that each integration of further coins will endanger the security of the wallet?
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Recently: both USD to EUR and USD to Bitcoin - lolz.  I'm starting to think that Bitcoin going to a new ATH could be achieved soon just by holding parity with EUR. #escapethesystem #strongHats

Mnuchin: usd is not fake money and not used by criminals - lol

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At the rate printers are going... Cool
Soon: 1 Satoshi = 1USD
0.00000001BTC = 1USD
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BITCOIN ONLY.
NOTHING ELSE.
Bitcoin-only firmware for both Trezor One and Trezor Model T is available now. Enhance your Trezor with the most minimalistic firmware we have ever published, and embrace your inner maximalist.

https://shop.trezor.io/btc-only/
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At the rate printers are going... Cool
Soon: 1 Satoshi = 1USD
0.00000001BTC = 1USD

No, the amount of ‘printing’ isn’t remotely enough to just fill the black hole created by the lockdowns.

The numbers will have to go up (these are rookie numbers) before it gets real. But we will get there, don’t worry.
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At the rate printers are going... Cool
Soon: 1 Satoshi = 1USD
0.00000001BTC = 1USD

No, the amount of ‘printing’ isn’t remotely enough to just fill the black hole created by the lockdowns.

The numbers will have to go up (these are rookie numbers) before it gets real. But we will get there, don’t worry.

Wait, we have not seen everything yet, if the Chinese sell their reserves in dollars we will go faster than we think.
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BITCOIN ONLY.
NOTHING ELSE.
Bitcoin-only firmware for both Trezor One and Trezor Model T is available now. Enhance your Trezor with the most minimalistic firmware we have ever published, and embrace your inner maximalist.

https://shop.trezor.io/btc-only/
Jeez! I am really out of the game if I don't even know this. Thanks for pointing that out VB.
As I said I couldn't believe Slush would have thought of something like that (adding shitcoins to a Trezor).
This makes it better.
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why don't you "deversify" into ledger?

I don't even do hardware wallets.

software...software makes me nervous
I started hating both ledger and trezor when they opened to shitcoins. I hoped that at least Slush would have saved trezor from altcoins.
I only wanted a Bitcoin hardware wallet! Was I asking too much?
So I got rid of my Nano s and trezor one.

https://blog.trezor.io/sources-say-orange-coin-good-new-bitcoin-only-firmware-now-available-47be0b611a4d

Edit: Oops, beaten to it Smiley
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