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[aesma]

I think Brexit was the wrong choice for many reasons, it's not about paradise vs hell though, it's just that many aspects of the EU, including letting people work anywhere and money flow everywhere, were in large part made because that was what the UK wanted, being the country that invented globalization.

Really? How refusing migrant quotas forced by Bruxelles upon EU states can be a wrong choice?

Because the EU is about sharing benefits and burdens. Not only the benefits.

I have stated that I thought Brexit was the wrong choice for the British. However I didn't state that I was unhappy about it. I'm delighted that the British are leaving, now maybe the EU can go in the right direction, without a US trojan horse inside.

I really can't understand all this talk about claiming back your sovereignty when you have no problem with US soldiers and spies all over your country.

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[empowering]

I think Brexit was the wrong choice for many reasons, it's not about paradise vs hell though, it's just that many aspects of the EU, including letting people work anywhere and money flow everywhere, were in large part made because that was what the UK wanted, being the country that invented globalization.

Really? How refusing migrant quotas forced by Bruxelles upon EU states can be a wrong choice?

Because the EU is about sharing benefits and burdens. Not only the benefits.

I have stated that I thought Brexit was the wrong choice for the British. However I didn't state that I was unhappy about it. I'm delighted that the British are leaving, now maybe the EU can go in the right direction, without a US trojan horse inside.

I really can't understand all this talk about claiming back your sovereignty when you have no problem with US soldiers and spies all over your country.

Meh cheap shot from me but.......

A  French man - preaching to U.K  about occupation !!??

C'MON??

 


Wouldn't you guys be eating Schnitzel etc if it were not for the Yanks and the Brits? 

(I AM KIDDING!!! BUT A LOT OF BRITISH AND AMERICAN PEOPLE DIED FIGHTING THE GERMANS IN YOUR COUNTRY- THEY AINT ALL  BAD)

[600watt]

I think Brexit was the wrong choice for many reasons, it's not about paradise vs hell though, it's just that many aspects of the EU, including letting people work anywhere and money flow everywhere, were in large part made because that was what the UK wanted, being the country that invented globalization.

Really? How refusing migrant quotas forced by Bruxelles upon EU states can be a wrong choice?

Because the EU is about sharing benefits and burdens. Not only the benefits.

I have stated that I thought Brexit was the wrong choice for the British. However I didn't state that I was unhappy about it. I'm delighted that the British are leaving, now maybe the EU can go in the right direction, without a US trojan horse inside.

I really can't understand all this talk about claiming back your sovereignty when you have no problem with US soldiers and spies all over your country.

Meh cheap shot from me but.......

A  French man - preaching to U.K  about occupation !!??

C'MON??

 


Wouldn't you guys be eating Schnitzel etc if it were not for the Yanks and the Brits? 

(I AM KIDDING!!! BUT A LOT OF BRITISH AND AMERICAN PEOPLE DIED FIGHTING THE GERMANS IN YOUR COUNTRY- THEY AINT ALL  BAD)

all of Europe would be eating borsch if things would have gone a bit different...

[Dakustaking76]

Oke Oke

If the price hits €5000,- in 2017

I Will buy myself a Nice Kawasaki bike H2 sport edition

Sounds Nice 

I'm buying a used Porsche 911 convertible for a cost of about 5BTC at 5000€.

Or I cash out that 5BTC that would be close to the amount I invested in total, and put it forward quitting my job and relocating to a nice and cheap place on a coast somewhere.

Difficult to decide.

Yea that sounds Nice to a porsche 911 4s cabrio is a Nice car, i Did drive iT When i
Worked for my uncle he is a rich fucker And After the Porsche he had Mercedes s63 AMG coupé And
Also Did drive that car to going 300 k/m per hour Damn Fast car

[machasm]

Oke Oke

If the price hits €5000,- in 2017

I Will buy myself a Nice Kawasaki bike H2 sport edition

Sounds Nice  

I'm buying a used Porsche 911 convertible for a cost of about 5BTC at 5000€.

Or I cash out that 5BTC that would be close to the amount I invested in total, and put it forward quitting my job and relocating to a nice and cheap place on a coast somewhere.

Difficult to decide.

Yea that sounds Nice to a porsche 911 4s cabrio is a Nice car, i Did drive iT When i
Worked for my uncle he is a rich fucker And After the Porsche he had Mercedes s63 AMG coupé And
Also Did drive that car to going 300 k/m per hour Damn Fast car

Had a couple of AMGs myself, a CLK55 and a C32. Both very fast cars but not a patch on the 63. (A mate of mine had a C63 and that was really quick). Although they are great on big open roads they are pretty heavy on the twisty stuff. Would prefer a 911 for that sort of thing.

[aesma]

Rewriting history is a difficult thing. I don't think keeping control over France (or the other occupied countries) for the Germans would have worked out in the long run, but we can't ever know.

I'm grateful for the sacrifice made to free my country, there are not many people left to be grateful to, though, and most had no choice in the matter. Whether their chiefs really cared about liberating us is up for debate too, at least they had no problem bombing French cities to dust in the process.

The British of course had the immense benefit of being a group of islands, and that still helps them in the case of the refugee crisis. Which proves my point, only a handful of people make it illegally to the British Isles, all the other brown and Eastern people there you don't like, you allowed them to come, invited them even.

That still doesn't explain why there are US bases in the UK, nor why the British allow the NSA, CIA, and all the other three letters administrations to operate freely on their supposedly sovereign soil. I don't think even the Israelis that are basically a US client state are that open.

[aesma]

Yea that sounds Nice to a porsche 911 4s cabrio is a Nice car, i Did drive iT When i
Worked for my uncle he is a rich fucker And After the Porsche he had Mercedes s63 AMG coupé And
Also Did drive that car to going 300 k/m per hour Damn Fast car

I want it RWD not 4S. It will not be the fastest car but fast enough, open top to really enjoy the trip and the sound of the 6 banger. Also several rich folks in my family but they're not giving me their Porsches so I will have to provide for myself ! I'm not a fan of the Cayenne they drive anyway.

[empowering]

Rewriting history is a difficult thing. I don't think keeping control over France (or the other occupied countries) for the Germans would have worked out in the long run, but we can't ever know.

I'm grateful for the sacrifice made to free my country, there are not many people left to be grateful to, though, and most had no choice in the matter. Whether their chiefs really cared about liberating us is up for debate too, at least they had no problem bombing French cities to dust in the process.

The British of course had the immense benefit of being a group of islands, and that still helps them in the case of the refugee crisis. Which proves my point, only a handful of people make it illegally to the British Isles, all the other brown and Eastern people there you don't like, you allowed them to come, invited them even.

That still doesn't explain why there are US bases in the UK, nor why the British allow the NSA, CIA, and all the other three letters administrations to operate freely on their supposedly sovereign soil. I don't think even the Israelis that are basically a US client state are that open.

....alas it is true - the 5 eyes are everywhere

[Dakustaking76]

Oke Oke

If the price hits €5000,- in 2017

I Will buy myself a Nice Kawasaki bike H2 sport edition

Sounds Nice  

I'm buying a used Porsche 911 convertible for a cost of about 5BTC at 5000€.

Or I cash out that 5BTC that would be close to the amount I invested in total, and put it forward quitting my job and relocating to a nice and cheap place on a coast somewhere.

Difficult to decide.

Yea that sounds Nice to a porsche 911 4s cabrio is a Nice car, i Did drive iT When i
Worked for my uncle he is a rich fucker And After the Porsche he had Mercedes s63 AMG coupé And
Also Did drive that car to going 300 k/m per hour Damn Fast car

Had a couple of AMGs myself, a CLK55 and a C32. Both very fast cars but not a patch on the 63. (A mate of mine had a C63 and that was really quick). Although they are great on big open roads they are pretty heavy on the twisty stuff. Would prefer a 911 for that sort of thing.

Nice Yea a c63 AMG is also a Damn Fast car, the sound is great. But Why is the price hanging
around 2997€ And not moving up.. And i think we Will have a correction beceause of the weekend..
Any ideas what Will happen?  

[marcus_of_augustus]

That still doesn't explain why there are US bases in the UK, nor why the British allow the NSA, CIA, and all the other three letters administrations to operate freely on their supposedly sovereign soil.

... all western intelligence agencies are basically subsidiaries of British intelligence ... so no difference who's on who's soil.

[d_eddie]

Now, that's an articulated argument!  
I'm cutting stuff to avoid walls of text.

On the other hand of the people I know that publically admitted to voting "Leave"  are mostly farmers, engineers, doctors, nurses, armed forces,designers ,tree surgeons, builders,  people in the financial industry SME owners.... people with a more critical bent- and sure some are older- and more experienced, and actually have seen the rise  and fall of the EU and remember life before it - not all- taking age out of it - in my experience the people I have met or known have rarely been racist, are quite well informed  and financially literate, generally are self employed - well travelled, hard working intelligent people with analytical minds.

Now- I know this is anecdotal - and me and the group of people  I know and have met/are a small sample group- on the other hand - I have been talking to people about Europe and the EU  for about 20 years now - and not just in the UK - my family are from  and live all over Europe-  and I spend a lot of time in many parts of Europe talking to many Europeans, and have seen and heard the consequences in many countries for BETTER and for WORSE- and that has been my experience to be frank- the young urban "educated" group of people you refer to are in my experience the EXACT group of people that only gave a damn about Europe when the Brexit media machine started... then they all had expert opinions.

I can partially confirm your anecdotal reports. A good friend of mine, Englishman, married and living in southern EU, didn't vote because of logistics. That would have been Stay. His family back in England - constructors and engineers - voted Leave. They match your general descriptions. However, they are already regretting it.

I just do not believe in the trade bloc- I think it is ill conceived,poorly structured,over bureaucratic,low on accomplishments, and shockingly financially inept and irresponsible and as a financial experiment, that I have watched unwind over the past 20 years - I think it is a failure. Financially  speaking the union is already dead in all but name- there is NO way the union can survive without MASSIVE debt restructuring and right offs and essentially making a joke of the "governance" that has poured from it the past decade.

The trade bloc has pros and cons. I agree there's a significant admission price, but there's the advantage of running financial (and fintech!) services from London without additional costs. There's the advantage of selling UK-produced goods without trade barriers. It's a tradeoff, as usual. I happen to think the tradeoff would have a positive balance for the average UK guy had they Stay-ed.

BUT what I don't give a hoot about- a failed, and long time failing European trade bloc, that is bankrupt, and making decisions that frankly do not help the people of EUROPE...

The EU is indeed full of problems. Some of these problems will be hard to solve, or won't be solved at all. But there is good and bad in the EU. I'm trying to weigh one against the other.

Also please ask a  German or a Norwegian, or any of the fiscally restrained , tax paying countries if they are happy being in a trade block with their southern neighbours...

Don't know about Norway, but Germany took swift advantage of the EU when the Union wasn't so fiscally restrained. They snatched the opportunity to fix systemically large banks and basically spread the bill to the whole EU. It's only after this (legitimate given the rules at the time) financial laundry that they started to cry for rigorous monetary policies. Personally, I would welcome some more rigour. I think the 2% target on "inflation" (actually only on the CPI, which is not a true representation of inflation) is a scam - against fixed income workers at first, and against everybody else on the long run.

pps-  Back on topic  for me -  I don't know why I waded into this TBH

Maybe because you care?  

I regret it already- frankly not the time nor the energy nor the inclination to go on about Europe any further.

On the contrary, I think we had a good and civil discussion. It can't be bad.

[empowering]

On the contrary, I think we had a good and civil discussion. It can't be bad.

Respects to you sir!

[empowering]

I am curious to hear anyone opinions or knowledge regarding District0x  

Please explore, inform, shill, and FUD away...

On a very quick perusal - looks like it could be an interesting project.

If any of you have any knowledge I would be interested to hear (started a separate thread ^^)

On another note-

Also anyone got a Bitcoin storecard/debit card or 10X or anything similar?  I would like to acquire one and wondering which to go for

[bitserve]

Here we go....

[empowering]

$3500 !!! booooom

[kurious]

Who was saying 3500 was tough to break...?

[xhomerx10]

On the contrary, I think we had a good and civil discussion. It can't be bad.

Respects to you sir!

 You know what would have made that discussion even more "good and civil"?  It's own thread in the proper section.

[xhomerx10]

$3500 !!! booooom

 Damn!  I missed it due to my complaining about topicality.
Is there any resistance now before 10k?

[Paashaas]

Another ATH in the pocket  

Next classic $500-$800 dump will happen around $3700-$3950.

Have a nice weekend!

[bitebits]

Why so much resistance to get to 3500 USD? It's only an arbitrary number.

Because of €3000, but admittedly an arbitrary number as well.