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[yefi]

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Ha ha, that's great

[BlindMayorBitcorn]

 

[Elwar]

I don't know. This sounds too much like a commune to me. What would happen to the poor souls that end up joining the wrong seastead and end up literally drinking the Kool-Aid? Also, what is to prevent some seastead communities from deciding to become pirates and pillage and plunder other communities. Might would make right. Perhaps some smaller seastead communities would join forces, for mutual defense. Then I am sure that the individual with the most Machiavellian traits will rise to prominent positions. Many of the work horses would end up serving the pigs, once again.

You are fooling yourself if you don't believe that might makes right in the current system.

The example given when it comes to war for seasteads is that the night a seastead decides to go to war, they would come out in the morning only to find that half of their population is gone.

You have some mystical idea of seasteads as if things like the UN and powerful nations do not exist in this world. Trust me, if a seastead is involved in piracy or child abductions or anything too outside of the tastes of powerful nations, they will cease to exist. Somalia was once without a government and they were immediately attacked and invaded by the UN and the US (might makes right).

Yeah Elwar, every time you mention this seastead thing, this is the scenario I always envision in mind of what would eventually happen to one... ending in tears...

I find it strange that when the mention of a floating structure in the huge ocean comes up, pirates are the immediate thought in everyone's mind yet when someone talks about going into space...no talk of space pirates. I suppose only in space people are civil. Go out on the ocean...we revert to the 1600s.

[bones261]

I find it strange that when the mention of a floating structure in the huge ocean comes up, pirates are the immediate thought in everyone's mind yet when someone talks about going into space...no talk of space pirates. I suppose only in space people are civil. Go out on the ocean...we revert to the 1600s.

I'm not sure what science fiction you've been exposed to. Space people are not exactly being civil to one another in most samples that I can think of. Quite the contrary.  

[Elwar]

I find it strange that when the mention of a floating structure in the huge ocean comes up, pirates are the immediate thought in everyone's mind yet when someone talks about going into space...no talk of space pirates. I suppose only in space people are civil. Go out on the ocean...we revert to the 1600s.

I'm not sure what science fiction you've been exposed to. Space people are not exactly being civil to one another in most samples that I can think of. Quite the contrary.  

Yes, the movies for both have shown many battles.

But when the discussion of us going to Mars has come up, I have yet to see someone say  "aren't you worried about space pirates?".

[Elwar]

I will defer the conversation back to communism vs fascism vs capitalism (because those are the only systems that can ever exist).

The idea of testing new systems on a micro scale is insane and invites crazy rich people with swords and swashbuckling (because...movies and books).

Best to do that all at the scale of trillion dollar economies with population destroying weaponry.

[Searing]

I will defer the conversation back to communism vs fascism vs capitalism (because those are the only systems that can ever exist).

The idea of testing new systems on a micro scale is insane and invites crazy rich people with swords and swashbuckling (because...movies and books).

Best to do that all at the scale of trillion dollar economies with population destroying weaponry.

you can also look at the dark side to all above in this manner

communism (feudalism serfs)

fascism (good old Nazi's)

capitalism (oligarchy....ie banana republic)

sometimes I think I should get some land someplace ..put up a tiny house and have nothing to do with 'humans' whatever we touch we muck it up in some manner

[bones261]

I find it strange that when the mention of a floating structure in the huge ocean comes up, pirates are the immediate thought in everyone's mind yet when someone talks about going into space...no talk of space pirates. I suppose only in space people are civil. Go out on the ocean...we revert to the 1600s.

I'm not sure what science fiction you've been exposed to. Space people are not exactly being civil to one another in most samples that I can think of. Quite the contrary.  

Yes, the movies for both have shown many battles.

But when the discussion of us going to Mars has come up, I have yet to see someone say  "aren't you worried about space pirates?".

Not at first. The cost of space travel will be too astronomical for any enterprise, including a criminal enterprise, to profit. However, rest assured, as soon as the technology improves enough for the costs to come down, the space pirates will show up soon enough to pillage and plunder everything they can. It may even be more rampant than the high seas, since the vast reaches of outer space are going to be much more difficult to patrol than the high seas. Like on the scale of billions and billions of times more difficult.

[pfrtlpfmpf]

Who doesn´t trade a little now, is sleeping. Or dreaming of "seastead".
Anyway, where could i push my lambo to the max in seastead?

Makes no sense ! You should plan a highway, at least 5 miles. No speed limit

No, i´m upgrading to 10 miles, just because.  

[Elwar]

Who doesn´t trade a little now, is sleeping. Or dreaming of "seastead".
Anyway, where could i push my lambo to the max in seastead?

Makes no sense ! You should plan a highway, at least 5 miles. No speed limit

No, i´m upgrading to 10 miles, just because.  

Roads? Where we're going we don't need roads.

[Searing]

The last pages are full of political garbage... I had to scroll 5 pages to find a single post about bitcoin.   Where are the moderators/owner? It never has been so bad before...

I believe the thread is 'unmoderated' now? er...or so I thought (likely I'm wrong)

[Ibian]

The last pages are full of political garbage... I had to scroll 5 pages to find a single post about bitcoin.   Where are the moderators/owner? It never has been so bad before...

Bitcoin is politics. And I like the new and improved lack of deleting posts.

[aesma]

Unfortunately, the vast majority of people do not have the resources to set up their own seastead. If they want to participate, they would just have to ride along under the rule of some privileged fat cat. I suppose some of us losers could get together, and form a collective. However, in the end, I'm sure the individuals with the most Machiavellian traits will lord over the rest. In the end, the privileged few will enjoy all of the benefits and the rest of us will continue to be mere chattel subject to our master's mercy, or lack thereof.

Perhaps my views have been swayed a little too much by the books, "Animal Farm" and "Lord of the Flies." However, these two works of fiction seem to have more underlying truth to them then most of the fiction we get fed on a daily basis with the MSM.

Future seasteads (in the open ocean) would likely be small communities. No need to own your own seastead (do you own your own housing association/trailer park/apartment complex/town?). Seasteads will likely be groupings of floating homes or platforms providing housing, each with their own sets of rules and expectations. From the looks of the work we are doing on the first seasteads almost everything will be blockchain based. Pick the seastead that most closely fits your ideals of how a community should be run, and move there. If they stray, move to another seastead. If some new concept pops up that sounds better than what you have, move there. Either by selling your home or floating your new home depending on how things are set up.

From the first peeks at the numbers I can say that the housing costs will not be too different from ocean front property, some less some more. As things scale that price will certainly come down.

I don't know. This sounds too much like a commune to me. What would happen to the poor souls that end up joining the wrong seastead and end up literally drinking the Kool-Aid? Also, what is to prevent some seastead communities from deciding to become pirates and pillage and plunder other communities. Might would make right. Perhaps some smaller seastead communities would join forces, for mutual defense. Then I am sure that the individual with the most Machiavellian traits will rise to prominent positions. Many of the work horses would end up serving the pigs, once again.

It looks to me like the idea of "seasteads" is to get together among rich people and not pay taxes to a state, but instead pay for everything (defense, law enforcement, etc.). So you'd end up with two classes of people, the rich, and the people who work for the rich.

[JayJuanGee]

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Dude... u'r like a version of Anti-JJG. I kept reading and when I reached like 80% of your post, I was like: "Wtf?? How did I read so much?!?" ... Anyway, good job! Well Played!

I'm not sure if I should do this:        or this:     or this:  

^^^ see how he is trying to twist the language around like a pretzel so that Bitcoin becomes S1X ... a slippery shit on our hands here.

There is no s1x, it is simply bitcoin, your propaganda is not going to work here.

He does seem like a professional writer.

   Nothing sloppy like the boring JJG.
(edit: Because he..(JJG)... he definitely does not seem like a writer! )

You are on a roll, Save the RF - ----   

Let me attempt to clarify:  JJG (aka, me) is a writer because he (aka me)  writes.   

[pfrtlpfmpf]

Who doesn´t trade a little now, is sleeping. Or dreaming of "seastead".
Anyway, where could i push my lambo to the max in seastead?

Makes no sense ! You should plan a highway, at least 5 miles. No speed limit

No, i´m upgrading to 10 miles, just because.  

Roads? Where we're going we don't need roads.

Yep, but no fun, i´m stuck 

[Spaceman_Spiff_Original]

IMHO, shorters gonna get rekt this week.

[Elwar]

It looks to me like the idea of "seasteads" is to get together among rich people and not pay taxes to a state, but instead pay for everything (defense, law enforcement, etc.). So you'd end up with two classes of people, the rich, and the people who work for the rich.

Yes, because when everything is blockchain based, only the rich benefit.

Better get rid of your bitcoin now because it's just something for rich people to not pay taxes. Only the rich can use a currency that the government doesn't distribute. It already costs over $5k, only a rich person can afford that.


I guess I should tell the many socialists working on this that their expectations of helping the environment and having self sustaining design, closed loop food systems, renewable energy, recycling systems, a solution for refugees, coral development, etc. is just going to benefit the rich.


A seastead will be a tiny speck on an ocean that is twice the size of all the countries in the world combined. Yet people will still be pissed off if there are rich people out in middle of nowhere being free rich.

[Starving_Marvin]

Do you think the bug dump is incoming right after the gold fork? Is there some countdown counter out there?

[1982dre]

Do you think the bug dump is incoming right after the gold fork? Is there some countdown counter out there?

Well there wasn't a dump after BCH. Most users gonna convert the free money into BTC 

[LewisPirenne]

Well, BTG trading goes live on Yobit now, the price is around 0.09~0.10 BTC with over 60 BTC done in the 1st few minutes.  This implies that the BTG price is double that of ETH and BCH.  Don't know how many people are going to dump their BTG, so that they can get more S2X coin in a few weeks.

Price is around 0.065 BTC now, with over 1K BTG dumped in the 1st 10 minutes, a volume of 100 BTC.

Nice pump of BTG to almost 0.2 BTC on 400 BTC (4K BTG) volume in 40 minutes.