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[xhomerx10]

I didn't mean it was gonna happen now goddamn, we got a year

I did notice that Hairy gave you (V8) a full year for BTC to bottom below $3,122 - and that two month extension seems highly unnecessary, because if BTC price is going to break below $3,122, then it is very likely to accomplish such break before 2020.  Does not matter anyhow, it is your bet (of course observed by the WObservers).  Probably, currently, I would give a slight advantage to you, V8, to win the bet.  Maybe 52%-ish?  But what do I know?  

What does anyone now..............................

I know that I don't know.

 Sure.  You dont know the known unknowns but what about the unknown unknowns?  Can you be certain you dont know?

How could I know if I know or don't know the unknown unknowns if they are unknown?

  Precisely!

[Hueristic]

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I used the brown color for its likeness to human feces. Or bovine feces, more appropriately.

Thanks for the kind words for having a simple opinion.  Shows your true character,  adios.

You're either a troll or a retard. Either way, you can GTFO.

Probably both.

Shit I feel like a troll and a Retard for giving him a merit once!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg49655787#msg49655787

[Hueristic]

We were nearly there! I hope we will break it soon.

This is wallpaper material.

What color are my eyes, lol...I still don't know.

[HairyMaclairy]

 Why doesn't anyone seem know that the B is supposed to have a 13.8888888888888... degree tilt to it?! I mean if you're going to promote something you should know something about it shouldn't you? That sticker is tilting in the wrong direction and could possibly represent beecash.  This sort of thing saddens me.


 

I do not think that people who do not know what bitcoin will remember the angle of its slope. But they will remember the symbol for sure.

 That's exactly what Roger Ver is banking on.  He has co-opted Bitcoin, owns the Bitcoin.com domain uses the bitcoin symbol same colour but different angle... even has a Badger wallet for beecash.  Honey Badger dont give a fuck but I dont like it.

Forget the whole angle thing.  Roger Ver does not own a particular angle.  It is all bullshit.  But if Roger Ver was not making this particular attack, then someone else would be. 

[bitserve]

^ Yeah. For Bitcoin to succeed it must prove its continuous resiliency against that and all sort of attacks. There are much more to come.

[jojo69]

gee

aren't boobs great?

[bitserve]

I didn't mean it was gonna happen now goddamn, we got a year

I did notice that Hairy gave you (V8) a full year for BTC to bottom below $3,122 - and that two month extension seems highly unnecessary, because if BTC price is going to break below $3,122, then it is very likely to accomplish such break before 2020.  Does not matter anyhow, it is your bet (of course observed by the WObservers).  Probably, currently, I would give a slight advantage to you, V8, to win the bet.  Maybe 52%-ish?  But what do I know?  

What does anyone now..............................

I know that I don't know.

You probably outperform most of the folks @the forum .....  

Kind words that don't mean shit considering most of the folks at Bitcointalk are sig spammers/shitposters that wouldn't know a Bitcoin if it bite their arses

Also I lost my "touch". Nowadays I almost don't trade and just contemplate and wait for a clear signal that doesn't come.

[HairyMaclairy]

Good luck on your bet gentleman. May the best bottom win.

Or we could just ignore him as irrelevant

The problem with that is the new born fish. They'll most likely fall for it and bite.
Gives BTC a bad reputation.
Ignoring a problem doesn't make it go away.

I have never had a problem so big I couldn’t run away from it.

[Hueristic]

Someone just paid 2100 ETH for transaction fees.

That is over $300,000 spent to transfer $15.

Did they mistaken the fee with sending value?

https://twitter.com/AlecZiupsnys/status/1097876988835102720

?? ??

It seems more like money laundering than a mistake https://twitter.com/trainface/status/1097915410069053440

I had a quick peek at those wallets and it does look like they are shuffling around alot of coins.

[Hueristic]

I like to think he ritually destroyed his keys.

That's an option indeed.
Another option would be to share/give/donate it back to the world when the time is right*.

*. Before he dies, or when BTC takes over fiat. 

It is also possible (I don't believe this) that he could have them in reserve to use if he ever wanted to destroy his creation.
Sometimes you need a built in kill switch.

[JayJuanGee]

Probably because ETH is moving from a POW (proof of work) to a PoS (proof of stake) consensus algorithm with a minimum of 32 ETH required to stake, and a lot of people are buying it at these low prices so that they can start staking soon

This has been said for forever, still nothing. I doubt anything will change.

LOL.
POW is where workers rule.
POS is where rent seekers rule.
You can never create sustainable economy where rent seekers rule!
Ethereum was created as a coin of the people that don't understand monetary theory by the people that don't understand monetary theory for the people that don't understand monetary theory!

In other words, POS and ethereum is/are a ponzi scheme...

Can make a lot of money, as long as you are in early... 

Personally, I am not interested in playing such a game, but there is about 99% of the world's population that has not yet been tapped, and plenty of them would like to attempt to get rich quick and don't mind gambling to attempt such richness, especially if they don't know what they do not know.

POW is the exact same thing,

This very statement causes me to speculate that you have little to no clue about what is bitcoin, and even though I don't claim to be any kind expert, especially when it comes to certain technical aspects of bitcoin, since I started in bitcoin, I have always had a bit of an understanding that POW tends to be the heart and soul of bitcoin's innovation that causes it's ability to progress towards sound money, which includes decentralization and censorship resistance - that are not mere platitudes because NO other coin comes even close to have those attributes and the solidness of the varying bitcoin (7 according to trace mayer) network effects.

I am not trying to be patronizing, but you seem to have a pretty decent knowledge gap (or drinking the wrong koolaid) if you are jumping through rationalizing hoops in an attempt to equate POW and POS.

why do you think early miners get the worm, hell same with all investments.

Early miners "get the worm" or strive to get the worm for a variety of reasons, and likely those reasons changed over time, depending upon how "early" is the miner.  People seem to get disgruntled about the concept of the early miner knowing more and getting in on the deal, before others even knew about bitcoin... surely there are problems with distribution, but miners (including early miners) are not the whole package when it comes to bitcoin distribution, either.    There has been a bitcoin market price, that was nearly zero, in the beginning, so you would not need to mine bitcoin in order to get a shitload of them, early on... and you would not even had to have been early on, since 6 years later, in late 2015, you could have easily picked up a decent stash of BTC in the mid $250s, and well under $1k per BTC until early 2017.

The earliest of miners (talking Satoshi and Hal Finney and perhaps a few others that started mining in 2009 and 2010) were likely really curious by the mere technology of the bitcoin matter, and really bitcoin did not really have any market price during that early time, either.  Yet the thinking of miners on the bitcoin topic likely varied and likely evolved as more and more started coming into bitcoin and early became less early and became more diverse including developing ideas about speculating about future BTC price and just merely contributing to such a paradigm shifting dynamic (hoping also to either profit with their participation or at least to be able to break even pay for their mining expenses along the way).

Early makes it big, that's not Ponzi you think you would figure that the fuck out when in crypto people were calling Bitcoin a Ponzi.

Yeah, of course, people have been calling bitcoin a ponzi for various reasons along the way, but you don't need to buy into that kind of erroneous thinking in order to attempt to equate POW with POS..  And, yes, there has ben some false preconception and jealously to characterize early bitcoin adopters as being in a ponzi scheme because they have been able to accumulate more BTC than later adopters, but so fucking what?  The fact that stupid-ass people place bitcoin into that category based on a kind of superficial understanding does not make POW similar to POS, in practice.

It seems that you, kingcolex, need to study a bit more about what is bitcoin, if you want to argue that kind of a dumb-ass POW is equal to POS assertion.

I don't claim to understand a lot about bitcoin, but I do understand that POS does not really add much of anything of value to any of the cryptos that have it or want to add it to their shit coin project, and a major part of bitcoin's whole contribution as a paradigm shifting invention is centered around POW which is quite distinguishable from POS and traditional fiat system.. and your attempt to convolute the matter (or not able to recognize what is POW) seems to demonstrate a decently large gap in your own appreciation and perhaps knowledge of what bitcoin is, including what is POW and how it sufficiently differs from POS.

[bitserve]

^ Every growing investment is indistinguishable from a Ponzi.

[JayJuanGee]

Probably because ETH is moving from a POW (proof of work) to a PoS (proof of stake) consensus algorithm with a minimum of 32 ETH required to stake, and a lot of people are buying it at these low prices so that they can start staking soon

This has been said for forever, still nothing. I doubt anything will change.

LOL.
POW is where workers rule.
POS is where rent seekers rule.
You can never create sustainable economy where rent seekers rule!
Ethereum was created as a coin of the people that don't understand monetary theory by the people that don't understand monetary theory for the people that don't understand monetary theory!

I agree, however, I worry that current rent seekers (which are dominant in the current economy) will simply transplant themselves onto POS, thereby strengthening it.

So?  How long will it take for their ponzi to play out?  They can keep it going for 20 to 50 years, yet half of the battle is recognizing the POS as a propped up ponzi scheme that is not much different from fiat... On an individual level maybe you hedge some of your value into that situation, but if you recognize the true value as POW, and you largely invest in POW, then likely you are going to experience value appreciation in your POW investment.  The snake oil salesmen are not likely going to make it easy for you to distinguish the real value from the snake oil, right?

[Hueristic]

ETH has another hardfork scheduled in the coming days?

from what I understand (I don't follow this shitcoin) first I think was supposed to be Casper and that failed then Constantinople(?) and that turns out to have a unresolveable logic error that got it pulled at the last minute so (P)iece (O)f (S)Hit ETH is still just Piece of shit (L)ite right now.

[xhomerx10]

 Why doesn't anyone seem know that the B is supposed to have a 13.8888888888888... degree tilt to it?! I mean if you're going to promote something you should know something about it shouldn't you? That sticker is tilting in the wrong direction and could possibly represent beecash.  This sort of thing saddens me.


 

I do not think that people who do not know what bitcoin will remember the angle of its slope. But they will remember the symbol for sure.

 That's exactly what Roger Ver is banking on.  He has co-opted Bitcoin, owns the Bitcoin.com domain uses the bitcoin symbol same colour but different angle... even has a Badger wallet for beecash.  Honey Badger dont give a fuck but I dont like it.

Forget the whole angle thing.  Roger Ver does not own a particular angle.  It is all bullshit.  But if Roger Ver was not making this particular attack, then someone else would be. 

[HairyMaclairy]

POS gets shook out real fast once stakers realize the value of their stake is falling faster than the value of the income. Stakers start progressively dumping their stakes at market.   It then becomes a self sustaining whirlpool of doom

POS is an excellent way to get WTF pwned during the next bear cycle.  

[JayJuanGee]

POS gets shook out real fast once stakers realize the value of their stake is falling faster than the value of the income. Stakers start progressively dumping their stakes at market.   It then becomes a self sustaining whirlpool of doom

POS is an excellent way to get WTF pwned during the next bear cycle.  

Yep...

Good luck (not) to any of those peeps (including some WO participant peeps) investing into POS phony baloney.

[Biodom]

Probably because ETH is moving from a POW (proof of work) to a PoS (proof of stake) consensus algorithm with a minimum of 32 ETH required to stake, and a lot of people are buying it at these low prices so that they can start staking soon

This has been said for forever, still nothing. I doubt anything will change.

LOL.
POW is where workers rule.
POS is where rent seekers rule.
You can never create sustainable economy where rent seekers rule!
Ethereum was created as a coin of the people that don't understand monetary theory by the people that don't understand monetary theory for the people that don't understand monetary theory!

I agree, however, I worry that current rent seekers (which are dominant in the current economy) will simply transplant themselves onto POS, thereby strengthening it.

On an individual level maybe you hedge some of your value into that situation, but if you recognize the true value as POW, and you largely invest in POW, then likely you are going to experience value appreciation in your POW investment.  The snake oil salesmen are not likely going to make it easy for you to distinguish the real value from the snake oil, right?

hey, do you mine btc or did you ever mine or run a node?
if yes, then kudos, and if not, then you are riding someone else's train here, I am sorry to say.
In order to support btc network (POW) by mining you have to have roughly one S9 (13.5 TH/s) per each 5 BTC that you might have (at this very moment).

Anything else, and you are contributing less than your claim on the network, therefore some third party have more power (you relinquished that power to them). Contribution via node is less clear, but could be calculated as a derivative of the total node number.

If you simply buy and hodl, sorry, you have a claim on something you don't really control in any way.

POS gets shook out real fast once stakers realize the value of their stake is falling faster than the value of the income. Stakers start progressively dumping their stakes at market.   It then becomes a self sustaining whirlpool of doom

POS is an excellent way to get WTF pwned during the next bear cycle.  

True, personally, i see POW as superior, albeit some were also extending ideas about POW collapse if btc prices would get too low as difficulty adjustment happens only roughly 13 days or so.
I see POS as psychologically attractive to financiers because they understand the concept of a "stake" very well.
However, all software or policies implementations of POS so far were mostly flawed.
The problem of ETH is that they think like a central bank and keep jerking the network params one way or another. The problem of EOS is centralization.
Both are no good long term, which is good for POW, but i am not sure that "perfect" (one and done, without jerking the network) POS is theoretically impossible, but maybe it is.

[JayJuanGee]

Probably because ETH is moving from a POW (proof of work) to a PoS (proof of stake) consensus algorithm with a minimum of 32 ETH required to stake, and a lot of people are buying it at these low prices so that they can start staking soon

This has been said for forever, still nothing. I doubt anything will change.

LOL.
POW is where workers rule.
POS is where rent seekers rule.
You can never create sustainable economy where rent seekers rule!
Ethereum was created as a coin of the people that don't understand monetary theory by the people that don't understand monetary theory for the people that don't understand monetary theory!

I agree, however, I worry that current rent seekers (which are dominant in the current economy) will simply transplant themselves onto POS, thereby strengthening it.

On an individual level maybe you hedge some of your value into that situation, but if you recognize the true value as POW, and you largely invest in POW, then likely you are going to experience value appreciation in your POW investment.  The snake oil salesmen are not likely going to make it easy for you to distinguish the real value from the snake oil, right?

hey, do you mine btc or did you ever mine or run a node?
if yes, then kudos, and if not, then you are riding someone else's train here, I am sorry to say.

Get the fuck out of here with that statement of mining elitism.

In order to support btc network (POW) by mining you have to have roughly one S9 (13.5 TH/s) per each 5 BTC that you might have (at this very moment).

There is no "have to," but instead there could be levels of increased security and increased involvement and ways of BTC ownership (or BTC network ownership).

Anything else, and you are contributing less than your claim on the network, therefore some third party have more power (you relinquished that power to them). Contribution via node is less clear, but could be calculated as a derivative of the total node number.

Yes, there are various ways in which people can be involved various ways in which they can contribute (or distract) from the bitcoin space and the bitcoin concept.

If you simply buy and hodl, sorry, you have a claim on something you don't really control in any way.

O.k.  Fair enough that owning and controlling are different things, yet your seeming attempt to create a heirarchy of bitcoin citizenship, perhaps under your own parameters, seems a bit weird, lame and out of touch with the modern world in which systems (including bitcoin) have consensus, compromise and choice rather than requiring every person to have a required set of skills and contributions.  If true, that would be ridiculous. 

[Biodom]

cannot quote ^^^it properly.
It's not mining elitism, it is how it works since Satoshi made it public.
If you think that owning btc makes you or anyone else a contributor, no it does not (in a POW system), but it does in a POS system where you mine using your stake.
IN POW system miners and node-owners control the system.
Simply owning btc is OK, but you are effectively cut off out of all decision making that might affect your btc.
This is just a statement of fact, nothing personal.