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Question: When will bitcoin reach the top of this bull market (i.e. when will it moon)?
Topped at $13,880 in June - 8 (5.8%)
H2 2019 - 15 (10.9%)
H1 2020 - 26 (18.8%)
H2 2020 - 26 (18.8%)
H1 2021 - 11 (8%)
H2 2021 - 27 (19.6%)
H1 2022 - 6 (4.3%)
H2 2022 - 4 (2.9%)
H1 2023 - 0 (0%)
H2 2023 - 2 (1.4%)
2024 or Later - 13 (9.4%)
Total Voters: 138

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February 20, 2019, 06:00:29 AM

...for some folks to be suggesting that BTC hodler/accumulators have to engage in a certain kind of behavior such as mining or node running in order to either be full-fledged bitcoin citizen or a prudent bitcoin actor.

you can be a prudent bitcoin actor by holding btc.
you cannot be a bitcoin citizen (which votes) without mining and/or node running.

extending your analogy a bit, those who simply hodl could be compared to US green card holders: basically all (or almost all) rights, but NO voting rights.
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Well, from a protocol aspect, SV does have more in common with the original Bitcoin protocol than does BTC.

#justsayin'

SV is highly centralised with a small handful of insiders who control it

False. It is no more centralized than any other major crypto.

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Like all Bcash forks, it was strip mined to shit with the Emergency Difficulty Adjustment on launch

'Strip mined to shit'?. Right. Gimme that in percentage terms. And tell me the measurable down side that you seem to imply.

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A centralised, strip mined fork is a long way from 'Satoshi's Vision', whatever that is supposed to mean

Good thing you're describing something other than SV.

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I am not going to argue with you about it because I have better things to do

Yet you just did. Or rather just swooped in to sling shit. For you have not addressed in your reply the point I made. To wit: from a protocol aspect, SV does have more in common with the original Bitcoin protocol than does BTC.
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February 20, 2019, 06:15:40 AM

Problem is that nocoiners and the new crypto enthusiast will fall for this scams and they will buy into bCash before even introduced to the real Bitcoin.

Well, from a protocol aspect, SV does have more in common with the original Bitcoin protocol than does BTC.

#justsayin'

still pumping (supposedly defending) bcash, trash?    #yeahright Roll Eyes

Just making a point. Do you wish to argue the contrary view? Again: from a protocol aspect, SV does have more in common with the original Bitcoin protocol than does BTC.
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February 20, 2019, 06:16:01 AM

I must have been unclear when I said I wasn’t going to discuss it with you because you have got big old bags and only talk your book
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February 20, 2019, 06:19:46 AM

...for some folks to be suggesting that BTC hodler/accumulators have to engage in a certain kind of behavior such as mining or node running in order to either be full-fledged bitcoin citizen or a prudent bitcoin actor.

you can be a prudent bitcoin actor by holding btc.
you cannot be a bitcoin citizen (which votes) without mining and/or node running.

extending your analogy a bit, those who simply hodl could be compared to US green card holders: basically all (or almost all) rights, but NO voting rights.

Fair enough for the clarification, yet you seem to be assuming that such voting serves as some kind of preferable way of going about bitcoining. 

We can agree to disagree since I have already suggested that there remain a lot of ways to partake in bitcoining and to benefit from BTC price appreciation without engaging in such governance or control partaking, and such persons would not be lesser people for their choice to refrain from btc governance, control, policing and/or security. 

Currently there are probably a whole hell of a lot less than 5% of bitcoiners who run nodes, mine or in any way participate in activities related to such, and bitcoin is still doing quite well.. seems to me.. and those less than 5% of bitcoiners can choose to increase their activities, or not.. their choice, and if they choose not to increase their activities in regards to running nodes, they may, by choice, have more time to enjoy their preferred activities of hookers, blow and lambos, perhaps?   
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February 20, 2019, 06:21:03 AM

don’t really understand why people are waiting to see 20k price levels so soon.

Because we'll be above $100K some time in the next two years, and we can't get there without crossing the previous ATH.
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February 20, 2019, 06:24:25 AM

was considering to publicly announce that everytime a fuckin´big blocker posts in the WO thread I will order a casa node.

Where are you going to stack them all?
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February 20, 2019, 06:24:55 AM

Problem is that nocoiners and the new crypto enthusiast will fall for this scams and they will buy into bCash before even introduced to the real Bitcoin.

Well, from a protocol aspect, SV does have more in common with the original Bitcoin protocol than does BTC.

#justsayin'

still pumping (supposedly defending) bcash, trash?    #yeahright Roll Eyes

Just making a point. Do you wish to argue the contrary view? Again: from a protocol aspect, SV does have more in common with the original Bitcoin protocol than does BTC.

Let me give you the benefit of the doubt in regards to your "original vision" claims.  Even if true, such supposed alignment with bitcoin's original vision is not going to make any kind of impact if the shit does not work because the vast majority of the community (more than 95%) has moved on to various upgrades, which seems to be the case in regards to where bitcoin is at today versus bcash sv... 
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February 20, 2019, 06:26:06 AM

I must have been unclear when I said I wasn’t going to discuss it with you because you have got big old bags and only talk your book

Hopefully, there is someone out there to pump that shit for jbreher (oh jbreher is that someone).
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February 20, 2019, 06:27:14 AM

Yeh lets abandon the Bitcoin Network and jump on xrp version 2 lightning network (LN) instead.

I beg your pardon ?

Lightning IS Bitcoin.

Lightning transactions are not on chain, so they are therefore not Bitcoin transactions. So if LN txs are not Bitcoin txs, it follows that ...

I'm not trying to claim that LN is useless. It will likely have benefits for some limited applications. But to pin BTC's future on it when simpler methods were available... smh.
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February 20, 2019, 06:47:27 AM

Does anyone want a Bitmain coupon for 65$ and 160 USD ? ( Good to March 31 )  I am not buying any equipment at this time.
PM me and I will transfer it free to the first person.
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Yeh lets abandon the Bitcoin Network and jump on xrp version 2 lightning network (LN) instead.

I beg your pardon ?

Lightning IS Bitcoin.

Lightning transactions are not on chain, so they are therefore not Bitcoin transactions. So if LN txs are not Bitcoin txs, it follows that ...

I'm not trying to claim that LN is useless. It will likely have benefits for some limited applications. But to pin BTC's future on it when simpler methods were available... smh.

Going to have to pull you up on that one mate... LN Opens and Closed channel onchain. therefore they are BTC transactions.

On another note, i don't know why people are discounting LN. This is some awesome development/technology. What you see now may be different in 5 -10 years from now, there alot of smart people with forward thinking minds.

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February 20, 2019, 07:27:58 AM
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Yeh lets abandon the Bitcoin Network and jump on xrp version 2 lightning network (LN) instead.

I beg your pardon ?

Lightning IS Bitcoin.

Lightning transactions are not on chain, so they are therefore not Bitcoin transactions. So if LN txs are not Bitcoin txs, it follows that ...

I'm not trying to claim that LN is useless. It will likely have benefits for some limited applications. But to pin BTC's future on it when simpler methods were available... smh.

Going to have to pull you up on that one mate... LN Opens and Closed channel onchain. therefore they are BTC transactions.

On another note, i don't know why people are discounting LN. This is some awesome development/technology. What you see now may be different in 5 -10 years from now, there alot of smart people with forward thinking minds.



these people are anti segwit and pro bcash. you can not take them serious, just ignore them.
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February 20, 2019, 07:35:21 AM

Yeh lets abandon the Bitcoin Network and jump on xrp version 2 lightning network (LN) instead.

I beg your pardon ?

Lightning IS Bitcoin.

Lightning transactions are not on chain, so they are therefore not Bitcoin transactions. So if LN txs are not Bitcoin txs, it follows that ...

I'm not trying to claim that LN is useless. It will likely have benefits for some limited applications. But to pin BTC's future on it when simpler methods were available... smh.

Going to have to pull you up on that one mate... LN Opens and Closed channel onchain. therefore they are BTC transactions.

On another note, i don't know why people are discounting LN. This is some awesome development/technology. What you see now may be different in 5 -10 years from now, there alot of smart people with forward thinking minds.



these people are anti segwit and pro bcash. you can not take them serious, just ignore them.

That's the thing with Technology. It is meant to evolve.
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February 20, 2019, 07:53:52 AM

Yeh lets abandon the Bitcoin Network and jump on xrp version 2 lightning network (LN) instead.

I beg your pardon ?

Lightning IS Bitcoin.

Lightning transactions are not on chain, so they are therefore not Bitcoin transactions. So if LN txs are not Bitcoin txs, it follows that ...

I'm not trying to claim that LN is useless. It will likely have benefits for some limited applications. But to pin BTC's future on it when simpler methods were available... smh.

Going to have to pull you up on that one mate... LN Opens and Closed channel onchain. therefore they are BTC transactions.

On another note, i don't know why people are discounting LN. This is some awesome development/technology. What you see now may be different in 5 -10 years from now, there alot of smart people with forward thinking minds.



these people are anti segwit and pro bcash. you can not take them serious, just ignore them.

That's the thing with Technology. It is meant to evolve.


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I recognise that I am currently being biased by my actual circumstances, which are far from ideal to increase my risk stake. Otherwise I would probably be acting very differently. I need to be extremely cautious right now, even if that means I am giving up to some potential (yet risky) profits. Again, a mans gotta do what a man's gotta do.

Lot´s of hodlers feel that way I think and it is refelcted in the charts: bears somewhat exhausted, but bulls still a bit shellshocked from the November dive. Even hodlers that would want to even go down with a sinking ship had to consider to sell in order to not go down completely in real life.
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I must have been unclear when I said I wasn’t going to discuss it with you because you have got big old bags and only talk your book

Hopefully, there is someone out there to pump that shit for jbreher (oh jbreher is that someone).

So this bcash shill, big block fanboy who tries to tell naive folks in bitcoin forums they should abandon their valuable btc and buy this scammy shitcoin is still around here? Either completely masochistic or - much more likely - paid shill. I wonder how many of those who believed the ongoing misleading, scammy posts of this shill have lost money because they bought worthless bcash.
and even after all his arguments are proven to be misleading/false, even after loosing all the battles, even after the split, even after complete defeat, he still comes back in here and keeps shilling with the same lame arguments that weren´t true the first few rounds. shame on this guy. doesn´t seem to have even the slightest trace of honor in him. very sad. why the fuck he isn´t posting in bcash forums, why here? paid. disgusting.
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February 20, 2019, 08:37:37 AM

jbreher and the bcash SV shitcoin crew.




We are followings God's (satoshis, lol) vision hahaha.
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February 20, 2019, 08:51:43 AM

Yeh lets abandon the Bitcoin Network and jump on xrp version 2 lightning network (LN) instead.

I beg your pardon ?

Lightning IS Bitcoin.

Lightning transactions are not on chain, so they are therefore not Bitcoin transactions. So if LN txs are not Bitcoin txs, it follows that ...

I'm not trying to claim that LN is useless. It will likely have benefits for some limited applications. But to pin BTC's future on it when simpler methods were available... smh.

Going to have to pull you up on that one mate... LN Opens and Closed channel onchain. therefore they are BTC transactions.

On another note, i don't know why people are discounting LN. This is some awesome development/technology. What you see now may be different in 5 -10 years from now, there alot of smart people with forward thinking minds.

Not only the opening and closing are BTC transactions... but also each micropayment within the channels are done with BTC transactions which each channel partner can put on-chain.
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