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March 17, 2019, 01:56:26 PM |
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Again, we did not invent math. It is an inherent property of the universe. It's like saying that gravity depends on assumptions, which is why I used that example. You can't reason physical reality into producing nothing when adding two somethings. And your credentials as a mathematician does nothing to change this.
Today at 01:49:15 PM Today at 01:51:00 PM 1:45 minutes. You didn't even read the post. You're not a Mathematician. You don't know what you're talking about. And you're not even trying to learn about that which you talk about with authority from someone who actually spent half his life studying it. Also, Math is certainly not a property. It's a language. The most accurate we have for describing the universe, but certainly not a property of it. Unfortunately reading the first sentence was enough to understand the content of the entire post. It's a skill I have developed when arguing with lefties, and reading it post-post confirmed it. You are arguing from emotion here, not thinking with the thinking part of the brain. I suggest a break.
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Globb0
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March 17, 2019, 01:57:16 PM |
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As we understand things at the current time.
This is not a yes no state, it is a continual evolution and revolution.
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BTCMILLIONAIRE
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March 17, 2019, 01:58:29 PM |
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Again, we did not invent math. It is an inherent property of the universe. It's like saying that gravity depends on assumptions, which is why I used that example. You can't reason physical reality into producing nothing when adding two somethings. And your credentials as a mathematician does nothing to change this.
Today at 01:49:15 PM Today at 01:51:00 PM 1:45 minutes. You didn't even read the post. You're not a Mathematician. You don't know what you're talking about. And you're not even trying to learn about that which you talk about with authority from someone who actually spent half his life studying it. Also, Math is certainly not a property. It's a language. The most accurate we have for describing the universe, but certainly not a property of it. Unfortunately reading the first sentence was enough to understand the content of the entire post. It's a skill I have developed when arguing with lefties, and reading it post-post confirmed it. You are arguing from emotion here, not thinking with the thinking part of the brain. I suggest a break. Cognitive dissonance here. If you can make a rigorous argument how Math has not been invented I'll concede. You have to go from the fact that every piece of Mathematical Theory (which is the basis of all science) starts from an assumption. Demonstrate how these assumptions can be inherently non-subjective given our limited capacity to even perceive the world. You're getting defensive by the way. You haven't disputed any of my post, you're starting to go full Toxic here.
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El duderino_
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March 17, 2019, 01:58:46 PM |
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Oh hey. Just woke up. Nice to be back home in Texas. Logged into my workstation to check out my LND node, and I think I'm starting to get the hang of this routing thing a bit better.
I mean, stranger things have happened.
EDIT: Also, I'm not sure why I'm still mining this GRIN shit.
Good to have you back. First male lady would actualy be a NEW stranger thing happening, wouldn’t have any probs with it myself, but thats Just an honest opinion I’m glad i didn’t have any of that GRIN when i hear you and HM about it
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March 17, 2019, 02:01:03 PM |
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The more you learn the more you realize how little you know. yeah, this BTCitcoin trial is fascinating in a lot of different aspects. it was it from the very beginning.
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El duderino_
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March 17, 2019, 02:02:23 PM |
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via Imgflip Meme Generator@infofront...... To Justify your Merit on those 4 beers that didn’t happen.... I have my last night here and just went out eating 1 white russian followed by 3 white wines (each one with an icecube) ^ Hope that equals those 4 beers ......
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March 17, 2019, 02:08:25 PM |
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As we understand things at the current time.
This is not a yes no state, it is a continual evolution and revolution.
That's pretty much the crux of it. We start from axioms, try to derive what we can from them and based on new assumptions we try to use the same axioms to make up new information. But you always come back to the axioms, which are no more than an arbitration based on how some ancient group of people perceived the world. It shouldn't come as any surprise that these axioms will be revisited more thoroughly and reevaluated once we can actually perceive the universe in a more accurate way. All of our senses are only able to perceive a fraction of what we measure in science. And what we measure in science is barely good enough to approximate 5% of the observable universe. Never mind the infinity beyond the horizon of the CMB. Anyone who thinks that we have any claim to objectivity when we can only explain 5% of what we can see with state of the art tools is running around willfully blindfolded.
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March 17, 2019, 02:11:47 PM |
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@Mic : Fat fingers are missing @Pamoldar Thanks bhai=bro
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BTCMILLIONAIRE
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March 17, 2019, 02:12:43 PM |
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Also, given the etymology and definition of the word: a new method, idea, product, etc. Math is not just an innovation, but is constantly being re-innovated on a second-to-second basis.
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March 17, 2019, 02:16:57 PM |
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Fat fingers Will come and join the party sooner or later
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Ibian
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March 17, 2019, 02:16:58 PM |
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Again, we did not invent math. It is an inherent property of the universe. It's like saying that gravity depends on assumptions, which is why I used that example. You can't reason physical reality into producing nothing when adding two somethings. And your credentials as a mathematician does nothing to change this.
Today at 01:49:15 PM Today at 01:51:00 PM 1:45 minutes. You didn't even read the post. You're not a Mathematician. You don't know what you're talking about. And you're not even trying to learn about that which you talk about with authority from someone who actually spent half his life studying it. Also, Math is certainly not a property. It's a language. The most accurate we have for describing the universe, but certainly not a property of it. Unfortunately reading the first sentence was enough to understand the content of the entire post. It's a skill I have developed when arguing with lefties, and reading it post-post confirmed it. You are arguing from emotion here, not thinking with the thinking part of the brain. I suggest a break. Cognitive dissonance here. If you can make a rigorous argument how Math has not been invented I'll concede. You have to go from the fact that every piece of Mathematical Theory (which is the basis of all science) starts from an assumption. Demonstrate how these assumptions can be inherently non-subjective given our limited capacity to even perceive the world. You're getting defensive by the way. You haven't disputed any of my post, you're starting to go full Toxic here. What, you wanna see me show my work? No. I'll just address a few points you made and then end it here, there are far better uses of my time right now. There is no such thing as "objective", as the 2+2=0 example was meant to illustrate. You have described a clock. Maybe it's useful as a tool for producing some kind of machine or programming or whatever, but without some kind of context to explain what you are trying to do beyond the obvious, the result is still 4. Edit: You can't reason physical reality into producing nothing when adding two somethings. Yes you can, it's called matter anti-matter annihilation. That produces a lot of energy. That's not "nothing". Also let's see if we can actually produce the stuff outside of theoretical formulas and sci-fi. Call math a language if you want, doesn't change anything. If it is a language that describes reality then it is reality you are dealing with. And with that I'm done with this topic.
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March 17, 2019, 02:25:16 PM |
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Crypto community need to be prepared for something big change in the upcoming days,huge bump hopefully.
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BTCMILLIONAIRE
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March 17, 2019, 02:35:05 PM |
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You have described a clock.
Maybe it's useful as a tool for producing some kind of machine or programming or whatever, but without some kind of context to explain what you are trying to do beyond the obvious, the result is still 4.
No, I have not described a clock. Clocks don't perform operations. Context has been given, but you're cherry picking what you want to use to pretend that your reasoning abilities somehow make you superior. They don't. Your reasoning is heavily flawed, much more so than HM's appeal to emotion. He's trying to learn. Toxic and you don't. You're literally equivalent to him (Toxic) and only accepting what you already believe, while running away from arguments you clearly aren't equipped to hold. Whole point of the finite fields was to demonstrate that objectivity as you seem to understand it is nonsense. No more than a result of evolution simplifying the non-objective reality for the sake of energy conservation. Call math a language if you want, doesn't change anything. If it is a language that describes reality then it is reality you are dealing with. And with that I'm done with this topic. English describes reality. Extremely poorly. And again, you've completely ignored the fact that all of Math starts from assumptions. Assumptions which are de facto subjective. You can be "done" and pout all you want, but to use your words, that won't change reality. And if you want to go the "reason" and "objectivity" route, then my experience in Mathematics certainly gives me more authority to speak on this topic than you will ever achieve given my head-start. And the fact remains, Mathematics is a subjective language. Literally a language that is subject to the capacity of human thought. Which is self-evidently limited in scope. You can't even begin to make an argument with similar rigour to that of a Mathematical proof in English. As such, you have sufficiently demonstrated your complete (current) lack of capacity for understanding the nature of it. You clearly don't have your emotions in control either, otherwise you would've conceded that your reasoning is insufficient rather than becoming defensive. And here we go full circle to emotion/reasoning being a spectrum that is optimized with equal parts of both. Each to keep the other in check.
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March 17, 2019, 02:41:44 PM |
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#come on Liverpool 0-1 mane !!
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March 17, 2019, 03:00:53 PM |
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#come on Liverpool 0-1 mane !!
The way he set up that play was exquisite. He's been in the form of his life recently. still can't get over his beauty against bayern Heard Zidane is very interested.
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March 17, 2019, 03:02:54 PM |
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#come on Liverpool 0-1 mane !!
The way he set up that play was exquisite. He's been in the form of his life recently. still can't get over his beauty against bayern Heard Zidane is very interested. Understandable Though the one ge must go for is HAZARD....——> the worlds MVP imo (especially when he would play in an absolute topteam!)
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March 17, 2019, 03:03:55 PM |
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I thought you were off meat Mic?
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March 17, 2019, 03:04:16 PM |
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Enough Sh*t out of my pipehole
Going into HODLnap .....
Good night fellow WO-brothers
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