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Question: When will bitcoin reach the top of this bull market (i.e. when will it moon)?
Topped at $13,880 in June - 12 (7.6%)
H2 2019 - 16 (10.2%)
H1 2020 - 30 (19.1%)
H2 2020 - 28 (17.8%)
H1 2021 - 12 (7.6%)
H2 2021 - 31 (19.7%)
H1 2022 - 6 (3.8%)
H2 2022 - 4 (2.5%)
H1 2023 - 0 (0%)
H2 2023 - 3 (1.9%)
2024 or Later - 15 (9.6%)
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Would we erect a temple to The Flying Spaghetti Monster on an Island, attend services with White Russians and Beer every Sunday morning, dressed as pirates, for example ?

I'm all for Flying Spaghetti Monster worship, but I think the services shouldn't be too early in the morning. They could interfere with mandatory Saturday partying. How about Sunday afternoons?
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March 17, 2019, 01:09:32 PM

I have been driving both cars and trucks for a living for almost twenty years, so I know how important it is to be in control of the vehicle, there are many tricky situations that I would never trust the car/truck with. Having said that, I don't mind letting the car drive when my control is not needed, but I do want that to bee my choice.

That's cuz you're thinking in today's technology. 20 years ago, Quake II was state of the art. 20 years from now, I don't want it to be your choice, because you'll be the one causing accidents. You cannot compete with computer vision technology.
Very much this.

Today's algorithms already shit all over humans on much more complex tasks than driving a car by the way. They completely destroy the global top teams in Starcraft 2 and Dota 2 respectively. And those games have a search space that is orders of magnitude more complex, even without considering the fact that cars virtually only have to react to things that are temporally very close to "now". Those games use predictions that span much further into the future.

Of course, I would be all for having "open streets" between key locations, where human drivers can choose to drive if they have a death wish. But safety for everybody involved should take priority, so if there's only one road available it should be driverless. And again, specifically designed race tracks can serve for human driving as a form of entertainment (which I would heavily partake in).
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we are a bunch of psychos!  Grin Grin

for real. everone is posting the shit he is interested in almost without responding to the shit the other psychos had posted.
That's just life in a nutshell.
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Are you aware of any geographical locations that could turn The WO Islands (name pending) into a reality without having to worry about actual pirates or other random twats attacking and looting?

 Actually, no. Have not considered researching "reasonable" archipelagos. Yet.

 With respect to dealing with actual pirates and twats, I think it should go without saying that some (many?) of us would be importing enough of our personal arsenals to be able to properly defend "WOlandia" against small incursions.

 I'm fairly certain we have enough "big brains" in this thread that we could properly weaponize coconuts to sink distant ships, if absolutely necessary.

 I suspect JJG will be leading the defense forces, due to the constant defensive evolution of his island with "Nerf-Grenade JJG's Island Thursdays" planned.

 No Lord of the Flies shit. Honest !

 That would be strictly limited to r0aches island.

 I like the idea of planning activities for each day of the week.

Would we erect a temple to The Flying Spaghetti Monster on an Island, attend services with White Russians and Beer every Sunday morning, dressed as pirates, for example ?
Sounds like a plan.

And damn, most of the islands on the next page look pretty small. We'd quickly run out of space on just about any of those.
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Racism and wishing death on children is fucking dumb as a bag of rocks though. Green dildos and meandering diatribes don't fall in the same category as blatant evil.

I do agree with you about the "heavily censored" part, though. And that's what the ignore button is for -- individualized censorship preferences.

I agree they do not fall in the same category. But we are all WO participants, we all fall in that "category".

Racist remarks and wishing death on people, meh who cares? We humans have been killing each other for thousands of years, that isn't going to change anytime soon. If people get offended by their posts, go get your emotions in check, they are just words on a forum. We are on a Bitcoin forum, we need to learn to master our emotions in order to gain more sweet and delicious corn!
What a way to tie back into Bitcorn and speak sense at the same time.


Emotions are an important aspect of life though and we would be ill-advised to discard them entirely. They're the other side of the coin and need to be balanced out with reason. Similarly going overboard with reason is a poor idea as well. You can reason your way into anything you want, not matter how grotesque. Without both reason and emotion things tilt off to the extremes.

I'm sure I don't have to point out who in this thread tilts too hard towards reason and who tilts too hard towards emotion at times. We all know who we are. The question is what we make of it.
No, it's the opposite. You can emotion your way into whatever you want. That's how they can call anyone to the right of Marx fascists and at the same time dismiss any argument they don't like by calling people flat earthers. They do not think, they decide on the result they want and damn anyone who says otherwise.

Reason is objective. It is constraining. I, for example, don't want hundreds of millions of people to die over the next few decades. But they will. And I still welcome anyone who can prove otherwise with something other than "lol fascist".
There is no such thing as "objective", as the 2+2=0 example was meant to illustrate.

Depending on your assumptions you will arrive at different conclusions. Depending on your experiences, you arrive at different assumptions.

And with just purely reason there is nothing to stop you from picking assumptions in ways that you wouldn't with a healthy dose of appreciation of life. One could probably make an irrefutable case for the annihilation of humanity using just reason alone. And one could convince themselves that the reasoning is flawless, with reasoning. It takes emotion and empathy to appreciate humanity despite its many shortcomings. Just like it takes reasoning to counteract the retarded conclusions raw emotion can lead to.
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March 17, 2019, 01:22:53 PM

Good morning WO. We are still struggling to stay over $4k but soon we will have it.
Good morning, brother! I hope so.
Although, anyway, sooner or later, we'll reach and pass that level.
Gradual increase in the price is lot better than quick bump,it can convince the people that bitcoin is secure to invest now so we can have some real growth. Smiley
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Would we erect a temple to The Flying Spaghetti Monster on an Island, attend services with White Russians and Beer every Sunday morning, dressed as pirates, for example ?
Will everyone work on the erection ? Only volunteers ?
Just askin'.
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Racism and wishing death on children is fucking dumb as a bag of rocks though. Green dildos and meandering diatribes don't fall in the same category as blatant evil.

I do agree with you about the "heavily censored" part, though. And that's what the ignore button is for -- individualized censorship preferences.

I agree they do not fall in the same category. But we are all WO participants, we all fall in that "category".

Racist remarks and wishing death on people, meh who cares? We humans have been killing each other for thousands of years, that isn't going to change anytime soon. If people get offended by their posts, go get your emotions in check, they are just words on a forum. We are on a Bitcoin forum, we need to learn to master our emotions in order to gain more sweet and delicious corn!
What a way to tie back into Bitcorn and speak sense at the same time.


Emotions are an important aspect of life though and we would be ill-advised to discard them entirely. They're the other side of the coin and need to be balanced out with reason. Similarly going overboard with reason is a poor idea as well. You can reason your way into anything you want, not matter how grotesque. Without both reason and emotion things tilt off to the extremes.

I'm sure I don't have to point out who in this thread tilts too hard towards reason and who tilts too hard towards emotion at times. We all know who we are. The question is what we make of it.
No, it's the opposite. You can emotion your way into whatever you want. That's how they can call anyone to the right of Marx fascists and at the same time dismiss any argument they don't like by calling people flat earthers. They do not think, they decide on the result they want and damn anyone who says otherwise.

Reason is objective. It is constraining. I, for example, don't want hundreds of millions of people to die over the next few decades. But they will. And I still welcome anyone who can prove otherwise with something other than "lol fascist".
There is no such thing as "objective", as the 2+2=0 example was meant to illustrate.

Depending on your assumptions you will arrive at different conclusions. Depending on your experiences, you arrive at different assumptions.

And with just purely reason there is nothing to stop you from picking assumptions in ways that you wouldn't with a healthy dose of appreciation of life. One could probably make an irrefutable case for the annihilation of humanity using just reason alone. And one could convince themselves that the reasoning is flawless, with reasoning. It takes emotion and empathy to appreciate humanity despite its many shortcomings. Just like it takes reasoning to counteract the retarded conclusions raw emotion can lead to.
Yes there is. You can pretend gravity doesn't affect you, that at a certain point it loops back and makes you able to fly, but fantasy remains fantasy and you remain stuck to the earth. Same with math. You don't get to redefine it. It is not based on assumptions. We did not invent it, we merely discovered how it works.
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Ladies and Gentlemen, Year changed and Number changed, But the situation remains the same so.

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Racism and wishing death on children is fucking dumb as a bag of rocks though. Green dildos and meandering diatribes don't fall in the same category as blatant evil.

I do agree with you about the "heavily censored" part, though. And that's what the ignore button is for -- individualized censorship preferences.

I agree they do not fall in the same category. But we are all WO participants, we all fall in that "category".

Racist remarks and wishing death on people, meh who cares? We humans have been killing each other for thousands of years, that isn't going to change anytime soon. If people get offended by their posts, go get your emotions in check, they are just words on a forum. We are on a Bitcoin forum, we need to learn to master our emotions in order to gain more sweet and delicious corn!
What a way to tie back into Bitcorn and speak sense at the same time.


Emotions are an important aspect of life though and we would be ill-advised to discard them entirely. They're the other side of the coin and need to be balanced out with reason. Similarly going overboard with reason is a poor idea as well. You can reason your way into anything you want, not matter how grotesque. Without both reason and emotion things tilt off to the extremes.

I'm sure I don't have to point out who in this thread tilts too hard towards reason and who tilts too hard towards emotion at times. We all know who we are. The question is what we make of it.
No, it's the opposite. You can emotion your way into whatever you want. That's how they can call anyone to the right of Marx fascists and at the same time dismiss any argument they don't like by calling people flat earthers. They do not think, they decide on the result they want and damn anyone who says otherwise.

Reason is objective. It is constraining. I, for example, don't want hundreds of millions of people to die over the next few decades. But they will. And I still welcome anyone who can prove otherwise with something other than "lol fascist".
There is no such thing as "objective", as the 2+2=0 example was meant to illustrate.

Depending on your assumptions you will arrive at different conclusions. Depending on your experiences, you arrive at different assumptions.

And with just purely reason there is nothing to stop you from picking assumptions in ways that you wouldn't with a healthy dose of appreciation of life. One could probably make an irrefutable case for the annihilation of humanity using just reason alone. And one could convince themselves that the reasoning is flawless, with reasoning. It takes emotion and empathy to appreciate humanity despite its many shortcomings. Just like it takes reasoning to counteract the retarded conclusions raw emotion can lead to.
Yes there is. You can pretend gravity doesn't affect you, that at a certain point it loops back and makes you able to fly, but fantasy remains fantasy and you remain stuck to the earth. Same with math. You don't get to redefine it. It is not based on assumptions. We did not invent it, we merely discovered how it works.
Why are you trying to tell a Mathematician what Math is? It's "the most objective thing" that we have. But it all depends on assumptions. We literally structure every single theorem as: Assumptions, Claim, Proof.

Literally the entire body of Mathematics, and thus by extension of science, is circular in its very being. We have simply agreed upon a cut-off point at which we stop arguing, namely axioms.

Math is literally built around axioms, which we pulled out of our ass forever ago based on our experience of reality. An experience which is fundamentally limited by the capacity of our senses. Senses which are so poor that we have to create all sorts of tools, based on our imperfect senses, to attempt to converge towards a deeper understanding of reality. None of which has been objective so far.

Why do you think that science keeps calling out lunatics which turn out geniuses every so many generations? Will keep happening by the way, because reality is pliable and not objective. It keeps changing, or evolving if you will. It might appear objective to you, but that's just because of incomplete knowledge. As soon as you understand gravity completely you know how to nullify or invert its effects. Things we have partially achieved by creating artificial zero-gravity environments.

No such thing as objectivity when it comes to reality. It only appears so on some scales and is a useful concept for the identification of solutions to problems we have subjectively identified.
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Racism and wishing death on children is fucking dumb as a bag of rocks though. Green dildos and meandering diatribes don't fall in the same category as blatant evil.

I do agree with you about the "heavily censored" part, though. And that's what the ignore button is for -- individualized censorship preferences.

I agree they do not fall in the same category. But we are all WO participants, we all fall in that "category".

Racist remarks and wishing death on people, meh who cares? We humans have been killing each other for thousands of years, that isn't going to change anytime soon. If people get offended by their posts, go get your emotions in check, they are just words on a forum. We are on a Bitcoin forum, we need to learn to master our emotions in order to gain more sweet and delicious corn!
What a way to tie back into Bitcorn and speak sense at the same time.


Emotions are an important aspect of life though and we would be ill-advised to discard them entirely. They're the other side of the coin and need to be balanced out with reason. Similarly going overboard with reason is a poor idea as well. You can reason your way into anything you want, not matter how grotesque. Without both reason and emotion things tilt off to the extremes.

I'm sure I don't have to point out who in this thread tilts too hard towards reason and who tilts too hard towards emotion at times. We all know who we are. The question is what we make of it.
No, it's the opposite. You can emotion your way into whatever you want. That's how they can call anyone to the right of Marx fascists and at the same time dismiss any argument they don't like by calling people flat earthers. They do not think, they decide on the result they want and damn anyone who says otherwise.

Reason is objective. It is constraining. I, for example, don't want hundreds of millions of people to die over the next few decades. But they will. And I still welcome anyone who can prove otherwise with something other than "lol fascist".
There is no such thing as "objective", as the 2+2=0 example was meant to illustrate.

Depending on your assumptions you will arrive at different conclusions. Depending on your experiences, you arrive at different assumptions.

And with just purely reason there is nothing to stop you from picking assumptions in ways that you wouldn't with a healthy dose of appreciation of life. One could probably make an irrefutable case for the annihilation of humanity using just reason alone. And one could convince themselves that the reasoning is flawless, with reasoning. It takes emotion and empathy to appreciate humanity despite its many shortcomings. Just like it takes reasoning to counteract the retarded conclusions raw emotion can lead to.
Yes there is. You can pretend gravity doesn't affect you, that at a certain point it loops back and makes you able to fly, but fantasy remains fantasy and you remain stuck to the earth. Same with math. You don't get to redefine it. It is not based on assumptions. We did not invent it, we merely discovered how it works.
Why are you trying to tell a Mathematician what Math is? It's "the most objective thing" that we have. But it all depends on assumptions. We literally structure every single theorem as: Assumptions, Claim, Proof.

Math is literally built around axioms, which we pulled out of our ass forever ago based on our experience of reality. An experience which is fundamentally limited by the capacity of our senses. Senses which are so poor that we have to create all sorts of tools, based on our imperfect senses, to attempt to converge towards a deeper understanding of reality. None of which has been objective so far.

Why do you think that science keeps calling out lunatics which turn out geniuses every so many generations? Will keep happening by the way, because reality is pliable and not objective. It keeps changing, or evolving if you will. It might appear objective to you, but that's just because of incomplete knowledge. As soon as you understand gravity completely you know how to nullify or invert its effects. Things we have partially achieved by creating artificial zero-gravity environments.

No such thing as objectivity when it comes to reality. It only appears so on some scales and is a useful concept for the identification of solutions to problems we have subjectively identified.
Again, we did not invent math. It is an inherent property of the universe. It's like saying that gravity depends on assumptions, which is why I used that example. You can't reason physical reality into producing nothing when adding two somethings. And your credentials as a mathematician does nothing to change this.
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I think we have already talked about it or I read it in news. I can't recall properly.

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After all 21 million BTC have been mined, Blumer says Bitcoin’s transaction fees will increase but additional scaling solutions, like the Lightning Network, will create cheaper options for transacting Bitcoin.
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Again, we did not invent math. It is an inherent property of the universe. It's like saying that gravity depends on assumptions, which is why I used that example. You can't reason physical reality into producing nothing when adding two somethings. And your credentials as a mathematician does nothing to change this.
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Today at 01:51:00 PM


1:45 minutes.

You didn't even read the post. You're not a Mathematician. You don't know what you're talking about. And you're not even trying to learn about that which you talk about with authority from someone who actually spent half his life studying it.


Also, Math is certainly not a property. It's a language. The most accurate we have for describing the universe, but certainly not a property of it.



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Yes you can, it's called matter anti-matter annihilation.
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Again, we did not invent math. It is an inherent property of the universe. It's like saying that gravity depends on assumptions, which is why I used that example. You can't reason physical reality into producing nothing when adding two somethings. And your credentials as a mathematician does nothing to change this.
Today at 01:49:15 PM

Today at 01:51:00 PM


1:45 minutes.

You didn't even read the post. You're not a Mathematician. You don't know what you're talking about. And you're not even trying to learn about that which you talk about with authority from someone who actually spent half his life studying it.


Also, Math is certainly not a property. It's a language. The most accurate we have for describing the universe, but certainly not a property of it.
Unfortunately reading the first sentence was enough to understand the content of the entire post. It's a skill I have developed when arguing with lefties, and reading it post-post confirmed it.

You are arguing from emotion here, not thinking with the thinking part of the brain. I suggest a break.
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As we understand things at the current time.

This is not a yes no state, it is a continual evolution and revolution.

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Again, we did not invent math. It is an inherent property of the universe. It's like saying that gravity depends on assumptions, which is why I used that example. You can't reason physical reality into producing nothing when adding two somethings. And your credentials as a mathematician does nothing to change this.
Today at 01:49:15 PM

Today at 01:51:00 PM


1:45 minutes.

You didn't even read the post. You're not a Mathematician. You don't know what you're talking about. And you're not even trying to learn about that which you talk about with authority from someone who actually spent half his life studying it.


Also, Math is certainly not a property. It's a language. The most accurate we have for describing the universe, but certainly not a property of it.
Unfortunately reading the first sentence was enough to understand the content of the entire post. It's a skill I have developed when arguing with lefties, and reading it post-post confirmed it.

You are arguing from emotion here, not thinking with the thinking part of the brain. I suggest a break.
Cognitive dissonance here.

If you can make a rigorous argument how Math has not been invented I'll concede.

You have to go from the fact that every piece of Mathematical Theory (which is the basis of all science) starts from an assumption. Demonstrate how these assumptions can be inherently non-subjective given our limited capacity to even perceive the world.


You're getting defensive by the way. You haven't disputed any of my post, you're starting to go full Toxic here.
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March 17, 2019, 01:58:46 PM

Oh hey. Just woke up. Nice to be back home in Texas. Logged into my workstation to check out my LND node, and I think I'm starting to get the hang of this routing thing a bit better.

I mean, stranger things have happened.

EDIT: Also, I'm not sure why I'm still mining this GRIN shit.

Good to have you back.

First male lady would actualy be a NEW stranger thing happening, wouldn’t have any probs with it myself, but thats Just an honest opinion Roll Eyes

I’m glad i didn’t have any of that GRIN when i hear you and HM about it

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yeah, this BTCitcoin trial is fascinating in a lot of different aspects. it was it from the very beginning.
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