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[HairyMaclairy]

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Filipone your numbers are out of date.  

There are 19 fatalities in the USA as of 30 minute ago with 484 cases.  

Which gives a fatality rate of about 4%

Given the total lack of testing in the USA I would say both the case rate and the death rate are too low.

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[Gyrsur]

you guys are considering that we're dealing with x mutations of the virus in the meantime, right?

EDIT: so to be crystal clear. every mutation has it's own characteristic and therefore we have different results in several parts of the world.

[bitserve]

UK       206        2      0.97%

2 deaths from 206 positivies is a 0.097%. If they were using a simple spreadsheet that kind of error should not happen. That's why we can not trust any of those figures, and much less the skewed stats used as a data source.

[Ludwig Von]

UK       206        2      0.97%

2 deaths from 206 positivies is a 0.097%. If they were using a simple spreadsheet that kind of error should not happen. That's why we can not trust any of those figures, and much less the skewed stats used as a data source.

No country or regime is providing correct data. All is massaged to avoid panic. We see per day cases, deaths, recovered but not the number of people tested... .

[bitserve]

Edit:

Filipone your numbers are out of date.  

There are 19 fatalities in the USA as of 30 minute ago with 484 cases.  

Which gives a fatality rate of about 4%

Similar in Spain with the latest figures:

600 infected, 17 deaths -> almost 3%

It's too soon to have accurate percentages with that small samples (of deaths).

[HairyMaclairy]

White House coronavirus threat downplayed as US infections surge
Jacob Greber
Mar 8, 2020 — 2.56pm


Washington | White House officials downplayed chances President Donald Trump or Vice President Mike Pence came in contact with a coronavirus-infected person at a top annual conservative conference they attended in Maryland late last month.

As the number of deaths in the US rose to 19 and reported cases jumped above 440 on Saturday (Sunday AEDT) from just under 300 on Friday, organisers of the Conservative Political Action Conference said one of their attendees had tested positive.

Mr Trump, who has been widely criticised for downplaying the crisis, said when asked at his Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida about the coronavirus getting closer to the White House: “I’m not concerned at all.”
But in a sign of the outbreak’s accelerating spread, New York state governor Andrew Cuomo declared a state of emergency that takes in the world’s most important financial centre. Countless conferences and festivals were cancelled across the nation, while the list of states impacted added Kansas and Virginia.
The District of Columbia, which hosts the White House, reported its first “presumptive positive case” late on Saturday.
Markets are likely to continue their wild ride this week after another Wall Street fall on Friday despite a robust 273,000 payroll number for February.
The jitters are being driven by concern over America’s official response to the health crisis which centres on a lack of available testing kits that have left policymakers blind to the true scale of the problem.

I don’t need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn’t our fault.
— US President Donald Trump

Mr Trump was widely derided for saying on Friday that he preferred passengers on a cruise ship with potentially hundreds of infected passengers off San Francisco didn’t come onshore because that would drive up the official US count.
“I would rather because I like the numbers being where they are,” he said. “I don’t need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn’t our fault.”
So far American labs have done 5861 tests, a number that officials expect to rise sharply in coming days and weeks as more kits are made available.


Pence admits US doesn't have enough testing kits

The last week has been a reminder of the benefits of international collaboration and trust in fixing health emergencies with global financial implications, said Frederick Kempe, president of the Atlantic Council.
“What we’re learning – in real-time, Darwinian fashion – is that proactive countries, societies and individuals are performing far better than reactive ones,” he said on Saturday.
“Governments that engage in truth-telling are heading off dangers faster than those that obfuscate or delay.”
The US and Europe should take the crisis as a wake-up call to their “excessive dependence” on China for supply chains that range from drugs to rare-earth metals.
“Perhaps the most important lesson of the past weeks of coronavirus is that the recent rise of authoritarianism globally and the rise of populism and nationalism among Western-style democracies provide a poor recipe for sound, trusted, experienced management of an unfolding global health emergency,” Mr Kempe said.
As US businesses, governments and households try to manage their obligations, the list of big events affected continued to grow.

[OutOfMemory]

No someone explain me:

• What's wrong with Italy? (More death than any other countries, considering Positives: i.e. fatality rate?
• What's wrong with Germany (Positives in line with other countries, no deaths)
• What's wrong with US/UK (Very few death considering the positives)

I do think the problem is the data source for the stats. There may be differences in health system but not that much.

Things that I think could be relevant here:

- What percentage of the population has been tested for infection? If you only test the ones that come to the hospital in a very ill state you will surely have a very high death rate in comparison to the positives.

- As soon as the hospitals are overhelmed, the death rate do increase... probably a lot.

- If you don't test anyone, all deaths would be attributed to the secondary symptoms instead of the virus.

- There could be genetic and environmental differences, but no study has properly evidenced those.

- There are cultural differences in which citizens of some countries go to the hospital even for a little cold... and those that only go there when they are almost diying.

- There could be differences in the medical treatments... but I assume this would be coordinated and basically the same everywhere. It could be different in an earlier stage but now they all should know better. Or maybe not.........

Main reason, anyways, I would attribute to skewed statistics.

One german died today in hurgada (egypt).
He was there since a week.

German infections are relatively "young" and they  started with intensive testing and contact tracing in the beginning.
In Italy, friendly kisses and hugs are part of the culture. This also adds to the explosive increase, also many elderly there. They say it's because of extensive use of olive oil in their cooking.

[Paashaas]

Leaked presentation for US hospitals reveals that they’re preparing for millions of hospitalizations as the outbreak unfolds.

[Last of the V8s]

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[OutOfMemory]

you guys are considering that we're dealing with x mutations of the virus in the meantime, right?

EDIT: so to be crystal clear. every mutation has it's own characteristic and therefore we have different results in several parts of the world.

A german virologist (don't remember his name) said in an interview on NDR (afair) that mutations are not too bad, because viruses tend to mutate into variants that don't kill the host for effectiveness of the spreading. Makes sense. The interview was available online this week, i didn't find a link, might have watched it on the smartphone.

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Forgot it's sunday
wife is still sick a little
time to post again

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but i am out of fiat
fuck, i do not care

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[BTCMILLIONAIRE]

So the WH downplays corona after banning travel early on while the WHO clearly stated not to restrict travel or trade?

And Trump is going to be hurt by corona by candidates that are for open borders and free health care for illegals instead of Americans?

I mean, I get that the overwhelming majority of people on this planet is mentally impaired, but come on.

[Gyrsur]

In Italy, friendly kisses and hugs are part of the culture. This also adds to the explosive increase, also many elderly there. They say it's because of extensive use of olive oil in their cooking.

maybe. but what is the official statement of how Italy became so massive infected with the COVID-19? are there any explanations so far?

[HairyMaclairy]

So the WH downplays corona after banning travel early on while the WHO clearly stated not to restrict travel or trade?

And Trump is going to be hurt by corona by candidates that are for open borders and free health care for illegals instead of Americans?

I mean, I get that the overwhelming majority of people on this planet is mentally impaired, but come on.

If the above figures are correct of 1.9 million US ICU admissions (they do sound like a worse case scenario), that’s not something you can casually blow off. 

[OutOfMemory]

In Italy, friendly kisses and hugs are part of the culture. This also adds to the explosive increase, also many elderly there. They say it's because of extensive use of olive oil in their cooking.

maybe. but what is the official statement of how Italy became so massive infected with the COVID-19? are there any explanations so far?

Idk if there is an official statement, but i'd say tourism. Also quite some italians from the lombardy region working in ski resorts in the southern west of austria, hosting many international guests.

[Last of the V8s]

In Italy, friendly kisses and hugs are part of the culture. This also adds to the explosive increase, also many elderly there. They say it's because of extensive use of olive oil in their cooking.

maybe. but what is the official statement of how Italy became so massive infected with the COVID-19? are there any explanations so far?

no idea if there's an official statement,
but here's one 'explanation' https://summit.news/2020/03/05/coronavirus-patient-zero-in-italy-was-pakistani-migrant-who-refused-to-self-isolate/
idk if true, but again, sad

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[Gyrsur]

In Italy, friendly kisses and hugs are part of the culture. This also adds to the explosive increase, also many elderly there. They say it's because of extensive use of olive oil in their cooking.

maybe. but what is the official statement of how Italy became so massive infected with the COVID-19? are there any explanations so far?

Idk if there is an official statement, but i'd say tourism. Also quite some italians from the lombardy region working in ski resorts in the southern west of austria, hosting many international guests.

ok, so maybe Chinese tourists. could be. but to be honest for me the whole situation of spreading that virus around the world is a bit mysterious. really.

[HairyMaclairy]

In Italy, friendly kisses and hugs are part of the culture. This also adds to the explosive increase, also many elderly there. They say it's because of extensive use of olive oil in their cooking.

maybe. but what is the official statement of how Italy became so massive infected with the COVID-19? are there any explanations so far?

no idea if there's an official statement,
but here's one explanation https://summit.news/2020/03/05/coronavirus-patient-zero-in-italy-was-pakistani-migrant-who-refused-to-self-isolate/
again, sad

That’s what happens when you don’t have a social safety net.  There’s no point in him self isolating if he can’t pay his rent and is thrown out on the street.  

Maybe as part of this we will realize that we have to take care of our sick and vulnerable.  But probably not, we will just jail them instead. 

[BTCMILLIONAIRE]

So the WH downplays corona after banning travel early on while the WHO clearly stated not to restrict travel or trade?

And Trump is going to be hurt by corona by candidates that are for open borders and free health care for illegals instead of Americans?

I mean, I get that the overwhelming majority of people on this planet is mentally impaired, but come on.

If the above figures are correct of 1.9 million US ICU admissions (they do sound like a worse case scenario), that’s not something you can casually blow off.  

At 2% mortality and 70% infection you get less than 100 Million deaths worldwide.

At your 4% (which is nowhere close to the <1% that I've seen for people that aren't already half-dead anyways) and 100% infection rate we'd still get 300 million at worst.

And that's assuming that neither vaccines nor cures will be developed and distributed. In reality we'll see deaths far below 100 million spread over several years, which is pretty much normal business.


Regardless, as far as politics goes. It is a matter of fact that Trump banned travel long before is usual and while the WHO was still opposed to restricting travel and trade. At the same time, MSM kept going on and on with its usual nonsense about mUh RaCisM aGaInSt cHiNeSe CorOnA PaTienTs.

If anyone reacted appropriately in the global political landscape it was Trump. Restrict spread as early as possible and try to keep things calm. You don't get to blame him for downplaying numbers when that was the status quo and he actually acted accordingly as well, unlike the WHO.

Not to mention that he's perfectly right with downplaying corona, both politically as well as realistically. People must be really bored to care about this nonsense.

[HairyMaclairy]

So Trump is a hero for banning travel but coronavirus is nothing to worry about. Got it.