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March 08, 2020, 07:21:53 PM

Lebanon Announces Default On $1.2BN Debt Payment In Historical First

I checked the last few pages but I think nobody shared these news yet.

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Lebanon announced Saturday it will default on its Eurobond debt for the first time in its history. The protest-racked country has seen a recent change in government, banks opened for merely about half of the past few months, strict controls on hard currency withdrawals and transfers abroad amid a liquidity crisis, a plummeting Lebanese Lira since October, a run on dollars, and crushing public debt which has lately blown up to nearly 170% of its gross domestic product (now about $89.5 billion).

Isn't that big?

A whole country went bankrupt. Tip of the iceberg?
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March 08, 2020, 07:22:31 PM

You should use TP first, then bidet. Not the other way around.

But the TP serves to sop up the bidet water trapped by ass hairs.

If you use bidet second, then you inevitably end up with a wet ass, which is no good for anybody.

What do you think is the small towell besides the bidet used for? Of course, that is after you have *perfectly* cleaned it all. You can use TP instead if you want... but using TP first is almost mandatory to remove any solid residue before using the bidet.

That being said... in case of an apocalypse all this concerns will be the less of our problems. And as I said, no food, no shit.

I guess we need a complete bidet using tutorial posted here  Cool

WO always delivers: https://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-use-a-bidet-1/

There are some inaccuracies on that tutorial, but it is good to go.
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Given Trump seems actively involved in trying to cover up US cases of Covid-19 by withholding testing, I now think there is a better than 50% chance this will bring him down.

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A sick Californian nurse made a desperate appeal for help.

She says the federal Centres for Disease Control had been unwilling, or unable, to test her for COVID-19. Her patients may have infected her. She may have infected others.

She had volunteered to help.

“I did this because I had all the recommended protective gear and training from my employer,” she wrote in an open letter. “I did this assuming that if something happened to me, of course, I too would be cared for.”

She was wrong.

The protective gear did not work. She is sick. But she’s not getting any treatment.

“I’m awaiting ‘permission’ from the federal government to allow for my testing, even after my physician and county health professional ordered it. I am a registered nurse, and I need to know if I am positive before going back to caring for patients.”

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As of yesterday, the US had only identified some 300 cases. Only eight have so far recovered, and 17 have died.

The resulting death rate of 5.9 per cent is the world’s highest. But that is a statistical aberration: the numbers are simply incomplete.

Epidemiologists know the actual number of sufferers is likely to already be in the tens of thousands. They just can’t prove it.

That’s because the test kits tailored to identify this specific virus are unavailable. And the government-run CDC has been imposing strange conditions upon its distribution and use.

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The National CDC would not initiate testing,” the Californian nurse wrote. “They said they would not test me because if I were wearing the recommended protective equipment, then I wouldn’t have the coronavirus … What a ridiculous and uneducated response from the department that is in charge of our health in this country.”

The CDC is facing intense scrutiny.

The production of US COVID-19 testing kits was botched. The production facility was contaminated. A large batch of the vital kits was found not to be properly functional.

So they had to be recalled.

Instead, local doctors have had to ship samples to the one CDC laboratory capable of testing for the disease. The Atlanta facility was soon swamped.

Exactly how many US citizens have been tested is unknown. The CDC has strangely ceased reporting such vital statistics after Vice President Pence took over as the health agency’s public face.

Earlier this week he promised “roughly 1.5 million tests” would be available by the end of this week. On Friday, he rolled that promise back: “We don’t have enough tests today to meet what we anticipate the demand going forward,” he said.

"This is the most frightening disease I've ever encountered in my career."

Richard Hatchett, the doctor leading efforts to find a vaccine for coronavirus, says it is much more lethal than normal flu. But a survey of regional health officials by The Atlantic reveals a total of only 1900 suspected cases tested.

This is against the tens of thousands that need such testing - every day.

Meanwhile, the virus had already jumped ship.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/leaders-fatal-error-in-us-covid19-response/news-story/78c969786f07faf556658bb18d537283

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Given Trump seems actively involved in trying to cover up US cases of Covid-19 by withholding testing, I now think there is a better than 50% chance this will bring him down.



Sadly he seems to be like Teflon... nothing sticks
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March 08, 2020, 07:35:17 PM

man, I don't want to start that ADL thing again.  Roll Eyes
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..., I now think there is a better than 50% chance this will bring him down.


One can only dream...
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The situation in Italy: March 8, 2020, 6.00 p.m.
POSITIVE 6387
DECEASED 366
HEALED 622


Press conference of the Head of Civil Protection Angelo Borrelli at 6 pm on 8 March:

7375 people who contracted the virus, currently positive 6387, 366 died and 622 recovered.
Among the 5061 positives:

2180 are found in home isolation
3557 hospitalized with symptoms
650 in intensive care

A couple of graphs I made myself on the Johns Hopkins University Database
https://github.com/CSSEGISandData/COVID-19

Each graph plots the number of occurrence of the appropriate case, starting from the first day when such occurrence was registered on each region.


Please note the logarithmic scale.

Now someone explain me:

  • What's wrong with Italy? (More death than any other countries, considering Positives: i.e. fatality rate?
  • What's wrong with Germany (Positives in line with other countries, no deaths)
  • What's wrong with US/UK (Very few death considering the positives)

Fatality Rate computed for your convenience:

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Region   Positives  Death  P/D
China    80652      3070   3.81%
Italy    7375       366    4.96%
Germany  799        0      0
Spain    500        10     0.02%
US       2584       16     0.62%
UK       206        2      0.97%


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March 08, 2020, 07:38:35 PM

Given Trump seems actively involved in trying to cover up US cases of Covid-19 by withholding testing, I now think there is a better than 50% chance this will bring him down.



Sadly he seems to be like Teflon... nothing sticks

As Bill Clinton once said “Its the economy, stupid”.  If the economy tanks, and he is seen to have made it worse, he is a goner. 
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March 08, 2020, 07:40:43 PM

Sadly he seems to be like Teflon... nothing sticks

When it's just empty lies about his own lies and magnificence it doesn't really matter. You could've had Mike the headless chicken as president and America would've ticked along adequately so far.

The present situation ain't no joke and it's pretty easy to guess how he's going to react to it as it develops. When he's giving up a thumbs up and boasting about his low numbers as he looms over a grandma puking up her own pelvis in a tent in a car park that will resonate rather powerfully.
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March 08, 2020, 07:49:26 PM

Given Trump seems actively involved in trying to cover up US cases of Covid-19, I now think there is a better than 50% chance this will bring him down.

Maybe. He scrapped the pandemic team in 2018. Then the tests they were using (in spite of tried-and-tested better ones being available) didn't work.  

Also, they have only managed to test around 6,000 people, while the UK has tested 25,000 and other countries are way ahead (Korea is at 170,000).  This is more concerning.

Not testing means figures for 'cases' are meaningless.  It does not mean 'there are no cases' if no large scale testing is in place.... and with no centralised chain of command to collate data and coordinate efforts, things are not looking like they got off to a good start. Plus 28% of people have no easy access to any healthcare and, oh yeah - with no statutory sick pay rules, people have an incentive to go to work rather than stay at home if they are ill.

America is at risk of being found systemically ill-prepared.  

I am guessing we are about to see how a lack of a universal care system (not the norm in first world countries) works in a real time experiment.

Then again if it is #justaflu, I am sure it will all be OK and Trump will come up smelling of roses, he seems just the man for the job.

EDIT: @HM I think you covered a little extra than I first read - and better than I did. 
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March 08, 2020, 07:53:20 PM

You should use TP first, then bidet. Not the other way around.

But the TP serves to sop up the bidet water trapped by ass hairs.

If you use bidet second, then you inevitably end up with a wet ass, which is no good for anybody.

What do you think is the small towell besides the bidet used for? Of course, that is after you have *perfectly* cleaned it all. You can use TP instead if you want... but using TP first is almost mandatory to remove any solid residue before using the bidet.

That being said... in case of an apocalypse all this concerns will be the less of our problems. And as I said, no food, no shit.

I guess we need a complete bidet using tutorial posted here  Cool

WO always delivers: https://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-use-a-bidet-1/

There are some inaccuracies on that tutorial, but it is good to go.

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people who have developmental disabilities, such as Down's Syndrome, mental retardation

So, bidet is for Roach?  Cool
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#bitcoin  S2F chart adjusted for today's "crash" ... nothing really happened, btc still spot on S2F track



https://twitter.com/100trillionusd/status/1236741267440259072?s=21
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No someone explain me:

  • What's wrong with Italy? (More death than any other countries, considering Positives: i.e. fatality rate?
  • What's wrong with Germany (Positives in line with other countries, no deaths)
  • What's wrong with US/UK (Very few death considering the positives)





I do think the problem is the data source for the stats. There may be differences in health system but not that much.

Things that I think could be relevant here:

- What percentage of the population has been tested for infection? If you only test the ones that come to the hospital in a very ill state you will surely have a very high death rate in comparison to the positives.

- As soon as the hospitals are overhelmed, the death rate do increase... probably a lot.

- If you don't test anyone, all deaths would be attributed to the secondary symptoms instead of the virus.

- There could be genetic and environmental differences, but no study has properly evidenced those.

- There are cultural differences in which citizens of some countries go to the hospital even for a little cold... and those that only go there when they are almost diying.

- There could be differences in the medical treatments... but I assume this would be coordinated and basically the same everywhere. It could be different in an earlier stage but now they all should know better. Or maybe not.........

Main reason, anyways, I would attribute to skewed statistics.

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<...>
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The situation in Italy: March 8, 2020, 6.00 p.m.
POSITIVE 6387
DECEASED 366
HEALED 622


Press conference of the Head of Civil Protection Angelo Borrelli at 6 pm on 7 March:

7375 people who contracted the virus, currently positive 6387, 366 died and 622 recovered.
Among the 5061 positives:

2180 are found in home isolation
3557 hospitalized with symptoms
650 in intensive care

A lot more infected than registered... .

A couple of graphs I made myself on the John Hopkins University Database


Please note the logarithmic scale.

No someone explain me:

  • What's wrong with Italy? (More death than any other countries, considering Positives: i.e. fatality rate?
  • What's wrong with Germany (Positives in line with other countries, no deaths)
  • What's wrong with US/UK (Very few death considering the positives)

Fatality Rate computed for your convenience:

Code:
Region   Positives  Death  P/D
China    80652      3070   3.81%
Italy    7375       366    4.96%
Germany  799        0      0
Spain    500        10     0.02%
US       2584       16     0.62%
UK       206        2      0.97%


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March 08, 2020, 08:01:32 PM

Given Trump seems actively involved in trying to cover up US cases of Covid-19, I now think there is a better than 50% chance this will bring him down.

Maybe. He scrapped the pandemic team in 2018. Then the tests they were using (in spite of tried-and-tested better ones being available) didn't work.  

Also, they have only managed to test around 6,000 people, while the UK has tested 25,000 and other countries are way ahead (Korea is at 170,000).  This is more concerning.

Not testing means figures for 'cases' are meaningless.  It does not mean 'there are no cases' if no large scale testing is in place.... and with no centralised chain of command to collate data and coordinate efforts, things are not looking like they got off to a good start. Plus 28% of people have no easy access to any healthcare and, oh yeah - with no statutory sick pay rules, people have an incentive to go to work rather than stay at home if they are ill.

America is at risk of being found systemically ill-prepared.  

I am guessing we are about to see how a lack of a universal care system (not the norm in first world countries) works in a real time experiment.

Then again if it is #justaflu, I am sure it will all be OK and Trump will come up smelling of roses, he seems just the man for the job.

EDIT: @HM I think you covered a little extra than I first read - and better than I did. 

Trump will go down together with his Titanic stock market, his comedia del arte energy indepency and be shot midship by the little critter with bubble needles!
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Edit:

Filipone your numbers are out of date.  

There are 19 fatalities in the USA as of 30 minute ago with 484 cases.  

Which gives a fatality rate of about 4%

Given the total lack of testing in the USA I would say both the case rate and the death rate are too low.
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you guys are considering that we're dealing with x mutations of the virus in the meantime, right?

EDIT: so to be crystal clear. every mutation has it's own characteristic and therefore we have different results in several parts of the world.
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UK       206        2      0.97%

2 deaths from 206 positivies is a 0.097%. If they were using a simple spreadsheet that kind of error should not happen. That's why we can not trust any of those figures, and much less the skewed stats used as a data source.
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UK       206        2      0.97%

2 deaths from 206 positivies is a 0.097%. If they were using a simple spreadsheet that kind of error should not happen. That's why we can not trust any of those figures, and much less the skewed stats used as a data source.

No country or regime is providing correct data. All is massaged to avoid panic. We see per day cases, deaths, recovered but not the number of people tested... .
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